/tg/Station 13

nianjiilical wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:51 pm starting the countdown until someone gets banned for transphobia and uses this appeal in their own appeal

Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:41 pm Very cringe on MSO's part to ban someone for reporting something they thought was breaking the rules to the people who are responsible for dealing with rule breaks
I get banbaiting getting slapped but it's not the same as reporting something you think's breaking the rules and getting banned cuz it's not actually an issue

doesn't help that MSO feels the need to prove that its definitely not an issue by repeatedly using the slurs too

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:58 pmI would argue, individually with my headmin peanut privilege before I finally get my ass demoted for insubordination this term ending in less than 24h, that the admin team would consider referring to a black person as either a nigger or calling them nigger to be bigoted universally. I would also say that calling another person a nigger in general would be considered contextually so indistuingishable from expression of bigotry as to almost immediately invoke admin action to a fairly similar level.

MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:39 pmArguing that rather or not somebody's usage of a word is bigoted is base on what demographics they themselves belong to, is not allowed and is in fact a form of bigotry, you will find yourself banned from the ban appeals forum for bigotry if you make this argument again.

Shadowflame909 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:57 pm we have no power over these lands we just live here

EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:39 pm Bonermaster. I'm expecting a undergrad level manifesto in response to this ban appeal

BONERMASTER wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:06 pm

EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:39 pm Bonermaster. I'm expecting a undergrad level manifesto in response to this ban appeal

Never was a fan of the thought police and snitches, so as far as I'm concerned, MSO did the right thing, kicking this joker's ass out.
The admin team opened the door to all this when they got their way with the bigotry-rule. They promised it would only be used for the most extreme of cases, to stop children from shouting nigger and similiar niceties. But of course they lied, and now you're even in the crosshair if you're not referencing to trans-sexuals in a nice enough way.
I remember when it wasn't this way, and TG station was also alive and well back then. I think everyone can do without this constant one-upping on this holier-than-thou garbage.

For everything else, I refer to this manifesto.


With free regards
-BONERMASTER

BONERMASTER wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:06 pm For everything else, I refer to this manifesto.

EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:44 pm -snip-

Our administration team is truly cringe :] except you ig, and mebert, and San, and maybe vekter

TheFinalPotato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:27 pm Today in: admin team is surprised that mso is doing what mso said he would do
First time?

san7890 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:37 pm I literally read every sentence everyone had to say about it in every single channel and nothing surprised me.

TheFinalPotato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:58 pm

san7890 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:37 pm I literally read every sentence everyone had to say about it in every single channel and nothing surprised me.

We've been over this san you aren't an admin

san7890 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:00 am

TheFinalPotato wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:58 pm

san7890 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:37 pm I literally read every sentence everyone had to say about it in every single channel and nothing surprised me.

We've been over this san you aren't an admin

Archie700 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:33 am How many hoops do you have to jump through to justify that saying slurs is not bigoted

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:18 am the internet was a lot more fun when there were way less people on it.

Vekter wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:46 am

Somepan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:01 pm Just to be clear, calling trans people trannies isn't bigoted ? So we can refer to black people as the nword too ? Homosexuals as fags ?

I am not trans, but I feel it's very important to note that literally every trans person I have ever met would punch someone for referring to trans people as trannies.

Boot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:19 am

Vekter wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:46 am

Somepan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:01 pm Just to be clear, calling trans people trannies isn't bigoted ? So we can refer to black people as the nword too ? Homosexuals as fags ?

I am not trans, but I feel it's very important to note that literally every trans person I have ever met would punch someone for referring to trans people as trannies.

I find it very worrying that the only trans people Vekter have met are mentally unstable individuals who'd assault someone for calling them a mean name. I would suggest not doing assault someone for calling them a mean name and informing the police if they did.

nianjiilical wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:19 am

Boot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:19 am

Vekter wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:46 am

Somepan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:01 pm Just to be clear, calling trans people trannies isn't bigoted ? So we can refer to black people as the nword too ? Homosexuals as fags ?

I am not trans, but I feel it's very important to note that literally every trans person I have ever met would punch someone for referring to trans people as trannies.

I find it very worrying that the only trans people Vekter have met are mentally unstable individuals who'd assault someone for calling them a mean name. I would suggest not doing assault someone for calling them a mean name and informing the police if they did.

its nice to know that you care more about an ultimately minor act of physical frustration coming from an institutionally marginalized and severely discriminated-against minority than said institutional marginalization and discrimination

"this black guy got called the n-word and told to go back to africa to his face by a bunch of white people and he punched one of them, he must be mentally unstable, arrest he"

nianjiilical wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:19 am

Boot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:19 am

Vekter wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:46 am

Somepan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 6:01 pm Just to be clear, calling trans people trannies isn't bigoted ? So we can refer to black people as the nword too ? Homosexuals as fags ?

I am not trans, but I feel it's very important to note that literally every trans person I have ever met would punch someone for referring to trans people as trannies.

I find it very worrying that the only trans people Vekter have met are mentally unstable individuals who'd assault someone for calling them a mean name. I would suggest not doing assault someone for calling them a mean name and informing the police if they did.

its nice to know that you care more about an ultimately minor act of physical frustration coming from an institutionally marginalized and severely discriminated-against minority than said institutional marginalization and discrimination

"this black guy got called the n-word and told to go back to africa to his face by a bunch of white people and he punched one of them, he must be mentally unstable, arrest he"

Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:42 am

nianjiilical wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:19 am

Boot wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:19 am I find it very worrying that the only trans people Vekter have met are mentally unstable individuals who'd assault someone for calling them a mean name. I would suggest not doing assault someone for calling them a mean name and informing the police if they did.

its nice to know that you care more about an ultimately minor act of physical frustration coming from an institutionally marginalized and severely discriminated-against minority than said institutional marginalization and discrimination

"this black guy got called the n-word and told to go back to africa to his face by a bunch of white people and he punched one of them, he must be mentally unstable, arrest he"

Nian I don't know how else to tell you this but, yes, people do generally tend to rank physical assault as worse than mean words.

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:50 am tl;dr - We've taken a step away from being a safe space for certain people whom are generally persecuted, and taken a dozen steps back towards being a safe space for certain people whom generally persecute others.

I get that we're all feeling that newfound sense of freedom thanks to MSO opening the previously closed floodgates on the use of transphobic and racist slurs in general.

It's totally his call. It very much ties the hands of the admin team in dealing with any reports within the forums, in-game and on Discord, which I'm pretty certain was his intent in stepping in.

So if any of your reports here go unactioned or get closed, it's because what you think is bigotry is not what MSO thinks is bigotry and thus the admin team has to leave it be.

The cynic in me would also say use these slurs within their allowed context more often. Recall that the rules give you permission to use them in general:
"... even things like "nigga pls" and "what are you faggots playing" which are generally not statements made to be bigoted ..."

Run around asking what faggots and trannies are doing/playing/watching/talking about.

Instead of using "people" say "ma niggas" especially if you're from the ghetto or a transphobic/homophobic country like Russia and that's just how you talk - "Man, I liked it when the internet had fewer of ma niggas on it. Too many of ma niggas using it now, really makes it less fun because we're all such politically correct faggots."

Since I'm just using niggas and faggots as slang for "people or persons in general", I'd say that sentence falls squarely under MSO's protection too!

Remember, you're not bigoted. It's just your culture and the people you grew up with.

Bonus points if you're black, because now you get a free nigger card because it's your word and your culture to reclaim. Wunderbar, mein Übermensch.

The rules don't look at whether your intent was to be bigoted, or even if you are actually a bigot, or are trying to hide your genuine bigotry behind a vaneer of faux irony. It just looks at whether the statement itself was made to be bigoted. If you intended to be bigoted, were infact being bigoted, but your speech falls under something where if MSO ruled it bigoted he'd have to confront the fact he's got a bit of the ol' bigotry running through his own veins then you're pretty much golden, as I don't expect such ephiphanies any time soon.

toemas wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:55 pm here comes annoying people writing essays on why bigotry is bad

I don't care what side this community goes to I'm fine with either its the INTERNET, what I do care about is fence sitting nonsense.

Nabski wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:37 pm Every time I see the word cishet used it is as an insult. Is that a slur?

Capsandi wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:40 pm You guys are taking this too seriously. 2 day discord ban. It would be an issue if it was a game ban. MSO is still the best host around. Timber and Melbert has done great during Mothblock's absence.