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I can't really comprehend what's going on in this appeal, but it doesn't sound like anyone is telling the full story clearly.

Why'd you put the link in an NSFW tag?

He immediately tried to evade the ban via in-game systems?
Wow.

I feel like this should fall under the act like an antag get treated like an antag rule. I've personally done much less and have been personally round removed by Sinful but that's the game we when tiding sec.

Abit of a side note but if what he says is true and he has low to no notes playing a sec main for about 400 hours then I'd say warrants abit of leniency even if they did stupidly try to evade right after.

san7890 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:21 pm Why'd you put the link in an NSFW tag?

Too hot for player's club

This looks an awful lot like stupid games stupid prizes from the tide

poor thread title

Pulls wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 8:09 am

Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:32 pm I feel like it's relevant to this appeal that Ironcorvus started as an Assistant on the next round and asked for a job change to Security explicitly to circumvent this ban.

Yes and if you gave me a fine to pay i wouldn't pay it because you are not justified in your ban. Infact i am morally obligated to protest and not care about your job ban because
its based on false pretense and at least shoddy admin work in spite my best intentions to clear this up.

Your case against me would be thrown out out of every court.

Bold strategy, Cotton, we'll see if it pays out

Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:31 am This looks an awful lot like stupid games stupid prizes from the tide

i didnt tide tho, there are no logs saying i tided. I was an engineer in my department when he ran past me try to arrest someone and failed hilariously.

I pointed at him and walked away.

Pulls wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:53 am im starting to suspect nepotism.

Also i am apparently related to thunder now

technokek wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 8:49 am

Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:31 am This looks an awful lot like stupid games stupid prizes from the tide

i didnt tide tho, there are no logs saying i tided. I was an engineer in my department when he ran past me try to arrest someone and failed hilariously.

you keep painting yourself out as the victim here. it’s actually way simpler than it seems:

1. the officer believed he was conducting a valid arrest
2. there was a massive mob of people all shoving and tiding the officer during this
3. you then disarmed and deepfried the egun of the officer that was conducting what he believed to be a valid arrest
4. you now open yourself up for being lethaled

it’s incredibly simple. don’t deepfry the security officer’s gun, and you won’t be killed next time. it is indeed a stupid game and you won a stupid prize

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:15 am

technokek wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 8:49 am

Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:31 am This looks an awful lot like stupid games stupid prizes from the tide

i didnt tide tho, there are no logs saying i tided. I was an engineer in my department when he ran past me try to arrest someone and failed hilariously.

you keep painting yourself out as the victim here. it’s actually way simpler than it seems:

1. the officer believed he was conducting a valid arrest
2. there was a massive mob of people all shoving and tiding the officer during this
3. you then disarmed and deepfried the egun of the officer that was conducting what he believed to be a valid arrest
4. you now open yourself up for being lethaled

it’s incredibly simple. don’t deepfry the security officer’s gun, and you won’t be killed next time. it is indeed a stupid game and you won a stupid prize

you werent there and are just making shit up.

1. sec guy was fucking around close by with other people.
2. i walk away from them.
3. he chases me trying to arrest me for no reason.
4. he slips and drops his gun.
5. i take the gun
6. i walk away from him to the kitchen to give it to the chef.
7. he deepfries it.
8. sec instantly starts to lethal me when i stand still until i am in crit.
9. he chases after me again and starts welding me.

this man could have just not arrested me for no reason.

You are a sec main and are so afraid of shitsec getting punished that you will die defending on this hill.

You can't joke about bombs on airplanes, I'm pretty sure jokes about being heretic on a space station also wouldn't fly making this an IC issue. You could have been planning 711 for all they knew.

technokek wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:24 am 4. he slips and drops his gun.
5. i take the gun

This encapsulates how you are being intentionally dishonest in your portrayal of events.

He doesn't trip over his shoes or something. You slip him. You shovestun him afterwards. You grab his gun, you throw it over the counter. And here's the most amazing part: you ask the chef to deepfry it as you're being lethaled. You're more concerned with the officer's egun getting deepfried than you are with the lethal laser shots that are killing you.

This says two things. First, you wanted to deepfry his gun purely for personal satisfaction. Second, there was absolutely 0 chance it was to "defend yourself," not least because you admit the officer's egun was empty, and whatever you told Thunder to make him think that was misleading at best and banbaiting at worst.

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:48 am

technokek wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:24 am 4. he slips and drops his gun.
5. i take the gun

This encapsulates how you are being intentionally dishonest in your portrayal of events.

He doesn't trip over his shoes or something. You slip him. You shovestun him afterwards. You grab his gun, you throw it over the counter. And here's the most amazing part: you ask the chef to deepfry it as you're being lethaled. You're more concerned with the officer's egun getting deepfried than you are with the lethal laser shots that are killing you.

This says two things. First, you wanted to deepfry his gun purely for personal satisfaction. Second, there was absolutely 0 chance it was to "defend yourself," not least because you admit the officer's egun was empty, and whatever you told Thunder to make him think that was misleading at best and banbaiting at worst.

Your brain on shitsec main.

If a sec officer arrests you for a bad/no reason he is liable to what happens and faces punishment if he over escalates.

You're more concerned with the officer's egun getting deepfried than you are with the lethal laser shots that are killing you.

Lmao you good kid? You posted the logs that i asked for the gun to be deepfried befored he started to shoot me.



You are actually obsessed with security can do no wrong and will change your arguments mid argument to fit your narrative.

technokek wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:01 am If a sec officer arrests you for a bad/no reason he is liable to what happens and faces punishment if he over escalates.

You're more concerned with the officer's egun getting deepfried than you are with the lethal laser shots that are killing you.

Lmao you good kid? You posted the logs that i asked for the gun to be deepfried befored he started to shoot me.

[image]

You are actually obsessed with security can do no wrong and will change your arguments mid argument to fit your narrative.

Every person I've spoken to about this believe that you're in the wrong when it comes to the facts. You open yourself up to be lethaled when you deepfry an officer's gun. No it is not self-defense if the gun you're destroying is empty and the officer has a spare on him anyway.

Headmin Rulings wrote: If an arrest is not obviously valid, it follows standard escalation. Resisting or retaliating against arrests without good reason may break Escalation Policy and be handled administratively. Non-antag players may lose any OOC and IC protections if they choose this path and should consider ahelping if they believe they did nothing to warrant being arrested.

When you chose to retaliate against the seccie by griefing him, you should have lost your OOC protections. When you confessed to being a heretic, you should have lost your OOC protections. The fact you ahelped this to begin with is concerning.

Well why wouldn't he ahelp it? It clearly worked.

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:33 am

technokek wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:01 am If a sec officer arrests you for a bad/no reason he is liable to what happens and faces punishment if he over escalates.

You're more concerned with the officer's egun getting deepfried than you are with the lethal laser shots that are killing you.

Lmao you good kid? You posted the logs that i asked for the gun to be deepfried befored he started to shoot me.

[image]

You are actually obsessed with security can do no wrong and will change your arguments mid argument to fit your narrative.

Every person I've spoken to about this believe that you're in the wrong when it comes to the facts. You open yourself up to be lethaled when you deepfry an officer's gun. No it is not self-defense if the gun you're destroying is empty and the officer has a spare on him anyway.

Headmin Rulings wrote: If an arrest is not obviously valid, it follows standard escalation. Resisting or retaliating against arrests without good reason may break Escalation Policy and be handled administratively. Non-antag players may lose any OOC and IC protections if they choose this path and should consider ahelping if they believe they did nothing to warrant being arrested.

When you chose to retaliate against the seccie by griefing him, you should have lost your OOC protections. When you confessed to being a heretic, you should have lost your OOC protections. The fact you ahelped this to begin with is concerning.

Your brain on sec main cope. He started the escalation and i didnt advance to lethals so he had no right now lethal me.

You are clearly bending everything so it fits your narrative, you even change facts that you posted to something you made up if that rather fits your narrative.

I didn't read the quintuple post in the main thread but I now support whoever didn't quintuple post on principle

Why is thunder in the appeal title when the ban was obviously placed by sinfulbliss?

Why is thunder in the appeal title when the ban was obviously placed by sinfulbliss?

Why is thunder in the appeal title when the ban was obviously placed by sinfulbliss?

Honestly the most likely case, ASSUMING THAT WHAT TECHNOKEK SAYS IS TRUE, is that while dealing with a mob of people tiding him while he's trying to make an arrest, he sees you running away and assumes that you're a part of it.

Then you take his non-lethal option and deepfry it, forcing him to use lethals.

This is textbook banbaiting. There's zero world where you should deepfry Sec's non-lethal equipment, and then complain that you're being lethal'd.

I disagree with this being banbait, it's more just a case of "I mad cause I lost" kind of ahelp. But it definitely was an IC issue and nobody should've been ahelping it. If sec's problem isn't with you, you shouldn't be aiding others on the ground or throwing peels around, and you definitely shouldn't be taking their gun to deep fry it. Just remain absolutely neutral from the start if you don't want to deal with IC consequences.

This is a hard IC issue that could have made for a fun experience for both sides but was made into trash via a n ahelp

Stealing sec's primary nonlethal option then complaining that he blew you away with a pocket blaster is the peak of Stupid Prizes, even if the seccie were being shitcurity

Pulls wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 8:09 am

Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:32 pm I feel like it's relevant to this appeal that Ironcorvus started as an Assistant on the next round and asked for a job change to Security explicitly to circumvent this ban.

Yes and if you gave me a fine to pay i wouldn't pay it because you are not justified in your ban. Infact i am morally obligated to protest and not care about your job ban because
its based on false pretense and at least shoddy admin work in spite my best intentions to clear this up.

Your case against me would be thrown out out of every court.

This might be the most unhinged thing I've heard anyone say in a very long time

The ban stands and you need to ask your parents about early intervention in behavioral disorders so you have better outcomes in your future.
See if your parents can apply for any funding through the school board for a neuropsych evaluation as many will assist with the cost and help guide them in their decisions thereafter.

I remind you that there is a minimum age limit for participation in this community, off-hand I do not remember what it is but on the off-chance your
physical age meets that requirement your neurodevelopment has not.

I wish you all the best in your endeavours and I hope you find a community in which you are a better suited fit.
With prejudice,

Jorts

I hate whenever someone on Discord/Forums says “OH MY GOD IM SO BORED WHERE ARE ALL THE GOOD BAN APPEALS” then in no less than two days from that post you get peanuts that get past 25 posts in less than 24 hours like… come on. Stop wishing for rain, all you’ll get is thunderstorms for everyone.

Probably just superstition though, but it always coincides too well.

Stay mad?

Good response from thunder

A post in that thread contains 9,870 words.

Literally murdered by a 24+ page book that I'm not reading.

admins try not to essaypost in appeals challenge (100% rate of failure)

san7890 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 4:58 pm I hate whenever someone on Discord/Forums says “OH MY GOD IM SO BORED WHERE ARE ALL THE GOOD BAN APPEALS” then in no less than two days from that post you get peanuts that get past 25 posts in less than 24 hours like… come on. Stop wishing for rain, all you’ll get is thunderstorms for everyone.

Probably just superstition though, but it always coincides too well.

I work a pretty slow desk job and unhinged ban appeals are my primary form of entertainment. It always sucks when I see an unread post and it turns out to be the same guy ban evading for like the 15th time. The massive ban appeals with even longer peanuts are the best and the only thing keeping me sane.

I mean it probably sucks to actually have to respond to and investigate these appeals but I get funny internet drama to read so it's 100% worth it.

Alphanerdd wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:59 pm

san7890 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 4:58 pm I hate whenever someone on Discord/Forums says “OH MY GOD IM SO BORED WHERE ARE ALL THE GOOD BAN APPEALS” then in no less than two days from that post you get peanuts that get past 25 posts in less than 24 hours like… come on. Stop wishing for rain, all you’ll get is thunderstorms for everyone.

Probably just superstition though, but it always coincides too well.

I work a pretty slow desk job and unhinged ban appeals are my primary form of entertainment. It always sucks when I see an unread post and it turns out to be the same guy ban evading for like the 15th time. The massive ban appeals with even longer peanuts are the best and the only thing keeping me sane.

I mean it probably sucks to actually have to respond to and investigate these appeals but I get funny internet drama to read so it's 100% worth it.

unfathomably based take btw

Alphanerdd wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:59 pm
I work a pretty slow desk job and unhinged ban appeals are my primary form of entertainment.

-snip-

This reminds me of an interesting conversation I once had with lead staff of other prominent ss13 communities. They were talking about how they would regularly read Ban Appeals and the associated peanuts for entertainment. One of them even unironically mentioned the Scriptis’ Zyb Index (they didn’t say the term “Zyb Index”, but talked about how it was interesting that people would collect logs and compare the amount of powergamey lingo they used to actual words). It was by far one of the most jarring things I’ve heard, and I wish I was lying.

Hey the zyb index proved to be useful and should remain as the official system to measure the RP/powergame level of players.

technokek wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:10 am

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:33 am

technokek wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:01 am If a sec officer arrests you for a bad/no reason he is liable to what happens and faces punishment if he over escalates.

You're more concerned with the officer's egun getting deepfried than you are with the lethal laser shots that are killing you.

Lmao you good kid? You posted the logs that i asked for the gun to be deepfried befored he started to shoot me.

[image]

You are actually obsessed with security can do no wrong and will change your arguments mid argument to fit your narrative.

Every person I've spoken to about this believe that you're in the wrong when it comes to the facts. You open yourself up to be lethaled when you deepfry an officer's gun. No it is not self-defense if the gun you're destroying is empty and the officer has a spare on him anyway.

Headmin Rulings wrote: If an arrest is not obviously valid, it follows standard escalation. Resisting or retaliating against arrests without good reason may break Escalation Policy and be handled administratively. Non-antag players may lose any OOC and IC protections if they choose this path and should consider ahelping if they believe they did nothing to warrant being arrested.

When you chose to retaliate against the seccie by griefing him, you should have lost your OOC protections. When you confessed to being a heretic, you should have lost your OOC protections. The fact you ahelped this to begin with is concerning.

Your brain on sec main cope. He started the escalation and i didnt advance to lethals so he had no right now lethal me.

You are clearly bending everything so it fits your narrative, you even change facts that you posted to something you made up if that rather fits your narrative.

once you play command and/or sec enough, you immediately recognize the mental gymnastics shitters will perform to try to stay out of the rain once it starts pouring down on them
you fucked around and found out and clearly i'm not the only one that thinks as much

isn't being mobbed by a bunch of assistants grounds for opening up lethals on them?

Agux909 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 8:40 pm Hey the zyb index proved to be useful and should remain as the official system to measure the RP/powergame level of players.

iirc someone caught a perma recently because an examination across several rounds revealed that, in addition to griefy behavior, they used say 0 times in the average round

Check out this cute walrus I found (:

Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:57 pm

Agux909 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 8:40 pm Hey the zyb index proved to be useful and should remain as the official system to measure the RP/powergame level of players.

iirc someone caught a perma recently because an examination across several rounds revealed that, in addition to griefy behavior, they used say 0 times in the average round

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Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:57 pm

Agux909 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 8:40 pm Hey the zyb index proved to be useful and should remain as the official system to measure the RP/powergame level of players.

iirc someone caught a perma recently because an examination across several rounds revealed that, in addition to griefy behavior, they used say 0 times in the average round

Ever thus to mimes

Sinful is like the lawyer you get in those Law & Order shows who defends obviously guilty suspects.
He fights for people even BONERMASTER won't defend.

I think he's right to this time, even if my reason for that has changed.

Originally, it was "If you deepfry Sec's non-lethals you can't complain if they then whip out the lethals on you."

But the information it was empty and thus wasn't even for self defense means it was just a pure, spiteful "Fuck you, I'm removing Sec Gear from the round." and Sec has enough shitters to deal with, without people making it worse by removing their non-lethal gear (especially since, as we see, they'll get banned for using Lethals once they no longer have non-lethals left).

Shitters and Greytiders should be the ones on the ban appeals, not the people getting mobbed by them and making a poor decision in the stress.

Shitsec or not if you deepfry the sec officers non lethal you have forfeited just about any sort of OOC protection you had.

The act of deepfrying is what I call aggressive dickism.

If you take X item and deepfry it you aren't just removing their item from the round. You want them to know that you did, or have a very high chance of them knowing.
Tossing the item out an airlock? For the most part you can consider it out of the round but other than spew on the radio you can't really rub that nut up against any faces.
You don't deepfry unless you want to send a message, that message being "Here, I did this to you, I am now valid"

The minute you did that you signed off on whatever you had coming, I kind of thought that was a no-brainer. Fuck around and find out, buy the ticket take the ride.
If you're going to be a dick like that, then act like a dick when you get dicked back on a similar dick level then you should just install a local copy of tgstation and run a private server to harass NPCs on.
If your level of personal happiness centers around your dogshit sprite being upright at the end of a round on a game that even Roblox players look down on then get your priorities in order.
Dying in IC conflicts is fucking hilarious and is its own reward. These actions make you look like an unfun banbaity retard who brings nothing to the game.

Unfun banbaity retards are only entertaining for the sole purpose of watching you eventually ragespin your way into getting yourself permabanned when you hoist yourself by your own petard in a self-inflicted Captain-Ahab-on-the-spectrum pursuit of "getting back" at those you feel who have wronged you. That's all the substance you bring to the table. You make IC times a chore, you bring nothing inventive or clever to the party in the way of gimmicks, you suck the fun out of everything you touch, and to be perfectly honest I bet you're the first person to ahelp people for shit you do constantly.

Okay two things you bring to the table. One being the aforementioned entertainment of watching you implode and the other is serving as a reminder of all the ways we should never ever choose to be. Thank you for being the rising tide that lifts all boats insofar as we are able to excuse our personal faults just a little by being reminded of just how low the bar can actually be. When you wake up tomorrow I want you to call your mother, I want you to thank her, apologize to her and then make her a promise.

First, you thank her for trying so hard to do right by you. Second, you apologize to her for whoever it is you are. Third, you promise your mother that you're going to be a better person. You don't tell her you're going to try, you don't make excuses, you just tell her you're going to do it. If you're lucky your mom might believe you some. Small blessing she never has to know her kid acted like such an asshole over something so small.

Aren't you are like able to get it out of someone after they eat it by gutting them? I recall that I have heard that it will came out normal after gutting

If he admitted he just fried the disabler to be a shit since it was empty and useless, does the classic Kor Phaeron ruling not come into play?

("If you perform an action which has zero benefit to you other than making others upset (like killing Ian) I will ban you if you adminhelp when someone kills you. ")