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Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:31 pm [Edit] Also has MRP gone too far when throwing pies at people is now clown job content?

Bepis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:36 pm

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:31 pm [Edit] Also has MRP gone too far when throwing pies at people is now clown job content?

if that's an actual ruling, yes

01:09:07: Reply from-sightld2: Even then, that kind of minor grief is reserved for clowns. You're not a clown, your an assisstant, going out of your way to get a pie, and again, target the exact same player.
01:09:28: Reply from-sightld2: but for the record. Yes. Three times in days is a pattern.

Farquaar wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:26 pm Pie throwing is a restricted prank NO MOONLIGHTING.

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:55 pm

Farquaar wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:26 pm Pie throwing is a restricted prank NO MOONLIGHTING.

now this is how you do a thread title, excellent job

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:31 pm Please let's not note people for throwing pies. That is as IC issue as SS13 gets and I'd rather set the barrier for metagrudging a little higher than throwing a pie.

[Edit] Also has MRP gone too far when throwing pies at people is now clown job content?

blackdav123 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 2:54 am someone ahelped getting hit by a pie

Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:13 am Does this make me basically Satan for stealing everyone's shoes in game?

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It does if you ask Vekter

Bepis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:37 am legitimate wholesome ending though, imo

Shadowflame909 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:28 am mfw everyone on terry and sybil is about to get hit with a fat metagrudge note for misspelling my statics last name in multiple rounds

owen kimple is always on top baby

Shadowflame909 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:28 am -snip-

owen pimple is always on top baby

CPTANT wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:07 pm I am honestly starting to see less and less sense in keeping 2 communities that are so fundamentally different in how they want to play the game together. Is there even overlap between Terry/Sybil/Basil players and manuel?

BeeSting12 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:04 am It's really sad that the player in question accepted the amendment to the note. I think if they had requested a headmin ruling they would've received a more favorable one.

Throwing a pie is not grief. This is why I always took Manuel notes with the tiniest grain of salt when I read a player's history when I was admin. I've seen more bad bans and notes from Manuel than any other server. I personally like goon's definition of grief which someone quoted in the policy thread - if it takes more than a few minutes to clean up then it might be grief. A pie throw takes a second or two to recover from the stun and a minute to go to the bathroom to shower. That is in no way shape or form grief. The IC issue button exists for people who adminhelp pie throwing.

Throwing space drug grenades is somewhat griefy, I will admit. However, unless the player does it on a large scale or every round, then I'd say let it slide on low RP for sure. Seems like he had a somewhat valid escalation reason for it too (calling cops over a harmless prank), so I would've let it slide. I don't understand how the noting admin got from two minor bits of grief to "don't mess with this player again". Sorry sweetie this is a multiplayer game, if you don't want to deal with conflict (the point of the game), then join a private server. Then, literally a day later with rounds in between the player does it again and gets noted for metagrudge?? First - there was no grief, we established this. Second - this was twice over two days.

We should not be catering to players who waste admin time like this and we should not be hiring admins who think a total of two pie throws and a space drugs grenade across two isolated rounds is grief and metagrudge

Bepis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:37 am legitimate wholesome ending though, imo

Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:08 am

BeeSting12 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:04 am It's really sad that the player in question accepted the amendment to the note. I think if they had requested a headmin ruling they would've received a more favorable one.

Throwing a pie is not grief. This is why I always took Manuel notes with the tiniest grain of salt when I read a player's history when I was admin. I've seen more bad bans and notes from Manuel than any other server. I personally like goon's definition of grief which someone quoted in the policy thread - if it takes more than a few minutes to clean up then it might be grief. A pie throw takes a second or two to recover from the stun and a minute to go to the bathroom to shower. That is in no way shape or form grief. The IC issue button exists for people who adminhelp pie throwing.

Throwing space drug grenades is somewhat griefy, I will admit. However, unless the player does it on a large scale or every round, then I'd say let it slide on low RP for sure. Seems like he had a somewhat valid escalation reason for it too (calling cops over a harmless prank), so I would've let it slide. I don't understand how the noting admin got from two minor bits of grief to "don't mess with this player again". Sorry sweetie this is a multiplayer game, if you don't want to deal with conflict (the point of the game), then join a private server. Then, literally a day later with rounds in between the player does it again and gets noted for metagrudge?? First - there was no grief, we established this. Second - this was twice over two days.

We should not be catering to players who waste admin time like this and we should not be hiring admins who think a total of two pie throws and a space drugs grenade across two isolated rounds is grief and metagrudge

I agree with this. I played on Goon when I first played ss13 and it has a way more cleaner aspect of grief than what this codebase has. I feel like it can be adapted here. If I was, somehow, a admin on any codebase, I think this sort of “moral code” would be the best when administrating. People should be messing around and having fun, even on Manuel.

But every single round, there are one or multiple instances of this exact kind of minor minor minor grief. From not just one person, but actually a sizeable number. Not a majority of the server by a long shot, but around 15 people do it to you. An unprovoked spray can attack here, a laser pointer there, vile things spoken in Dchat about you. You do not feel welcome. Are you expected as a player to let all of this minor grief slide?

CPTANT wrote: ↑Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:53 pm On another tangent, it is a rather unusual situation that ~15 unrelated players hate a group of players so much that they would resort to "meta-grudging" (emphasize on the quotations because once again, someone has to be grief to qualify for that in the first place). Aren't they actually the ones ruining people's fun if so many people dislike them? I don't have enough information to actually judge that though.