Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:58 am
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Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:06 am
I HATE THE ANTICHRIST I HATE THE ANTICHRIST
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:19 am
What the fuck?
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:41 am
Maybe they took too much DMT and had a bad spin out?
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:26 am
I can't even laugh at this one. I hope he gets help, it's pretty clear he needs it.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:39 am
this guy trying to spread satanism on our christian server
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:01 am
I've been talking to Tohg7 on and off for almost year now and I can safely say from personal experience that everything you read in the appeal is quite tame.
He never does anything aggressive, so while his rants might come off as creepy, they aren't suppose to be hostile.
He use to be very well known in Polcon, and I'm sure many polconites, including myself, would love to have him back for his humorous and unorthodox takes. Especially because I believe he engineered the polcon meme of posting a random image and then going "Thoughts?" with no other details or input.
He never does anything aggressive, so while his rants might come off as creepy, they aren't suppose to be hostile.
He use to be very well known in Polcon, and I'm sure many polconites, including myself, would love to have him back for his humorous and unorthodox takes. Especially because I believe he engineered the polcon meme of posting a random image and then going "Thoughts?" with no other details or input.
He is very anti-demon. He is not a satanist in any way.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:39 am this guy trying to spread satanism on our christian server
No this is quite regular Tohg if you get him ranting.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:10 am
Tearling wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:01 am I've been talking to Tohg7 on and off for almost year now and I can safely say from personal experience that everything you read in the appeal is quite tame.
He never does anything aggressive, so while his rants might come off as creepy, they aren't suppose to be hostile.
He use to be very well known in Polcon, and I'm sure many polconites, including myself, would love to have him back for his humorous and unorthodox takes. Especially because I believe he engineered the polcon meme of posting a random image and then going "Thoughts?" with no other details or input.
He is very anti-demon. He is not a satanist in any way.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:39 am this guy trying to spread satanism on our christian server
No this is quite regular Tohg if you get him ranting.
mhmBut more pertinently is a giant series of DM's you sent one particular user which for the sake of their own protection I will summarize here:
You kept implying that you had "met someone" that had "supernatural powers" and that anyone who slept with this woman would "end up comatose" and that she "knew where you lived."
Then you went on to say that this individual's name was "Faustina" and that she referred to you only as "mortal" and that you realized that she wasn't a human entity. You also kept linking them back to some youtube channel about a christian motivational lady named sister sharon, and that this "faustina" character knew something about sister sharon being in the "book of life"
Look I could go on but it's more of the same, and the second I tried to talk to you about this you said "I have realized there's nobody here who wants to do what HE wants, I'll be taking my leave" and then you left the server entirely before I could even respond.
Most important in all of this is that the minute that the person you were speaking to got mods involved you started getting cagey, you upped the ante and started trying to act mysterious and intimidating in this person's DMs and then left. I would like you to address some of this behavior and not just blow it off as "Nothing happened I was banned for no reason" or this appeal will be closed in short order.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:11 am
I have also talked to Tohg on occasion. I believe he is well-intentioned, even if rather strange at times. Don't think he means any ill-will to anyone else at all. Can't say more without going into stuff that might be considered private.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:25 am
i hate demonsTearling wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:01 am I've been talking to Tohg7 on and off for almost year now and I can safely say from personal experience that everything you read in the appeal is quite tame.
He never does anything aggressive, so while his rants might come off as creepy, they aren't suppose to be hostile.
He use to be very well known in Polcon, and I'm sure many polconites, including myself, would love to have him back for his humorous and unorthodox takes. Especially because I believe he engineered the polcon meme of posting a random image and then going "Thoughts?" with no other details or input.
He is very anti-demon. He is not a satanist in any way.Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:39 am this guy trying to spread satanism on our christian server
No this is quite regular Tohg if you get him ranting.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:50 am
if you can't get random dm's about.... whatever the fuck tohg posts.... then is it even worth being in the discord server? turn on allow messages from server members folks
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:53 am
okay, but have any of you talked to william dornan on discord?
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:34 am
Most stable /tg/ regular.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:41 am
Psychosis.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:17 am
By quoting this post you agree to not snitch to the jannies if tohg PMs you.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:17 am
Rohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:17 am By quoting this post you agree to not snitch to the jannies if tohg PMs you.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:22 pm
Rohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:17 am By quoting this post you agree to not snitch to the jannies if tohg PMs you.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:25 pm
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:28 pm
Imagine discovering the jarring and dark truth to life and the entities beyond this dimension, and then proceeding to code the bottle splash PR for SS13. Truly one of the gamers of all time.
With impressed regards
-BONERMASTER
With impressed regards
-BONERMASTER
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:38 pm
Fucker's gotten progressively more unhinged since me and him chatted in DMs about a year ago. I got to hear about Faustina as well and figured he was being tricked by some LARPing autist, but it's concerning to see how his writing has deteriorated since.
At this point there's unfortunately not much doubt that he's schizophrenic and that his symptoms are worsening significantly. He was still lucid at times when we spoke, and even at his worst he would be very clear in his communication.
I'm not sure how to contact the headmins since i'm not on the discord anymore, but i really think it would be a good idea to see if they can use his IP to send a wellness check.
At this point there's unfortunately not much doubt that he's schizophrenic and that his symptoms are worsening significantly. He was still lucid at times when we spoke, and even at his worst he would be very clear in his communication.
I'm not sure how to contact the headmins since i'm not on the discord anymore, but i really think it would be a good idea to see if they can use his IP to send a wellness check.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:41 pm
Could you bring it up with headmins? I frankly don't care if it violates some policy - this guy needs help if his surroundings haven't notified anyone already. Schizophrenics are notoriously hard to treat because they rarely seek treatment out themselves.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 1:39 pm
Annihilite111 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:41 pmCould you bring it up with headmins? I frankly don't care if it violates some policy - this guy needs help if his surroundings haven't notified anyone already. Schizophrenics are notoriously hard to treat because they rarely seek treatment out themselves.
Annihilite111 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:38 pm Fucker's gotten progressively more unhinged since me and him chatted in DMs about a year ago. I got to hear about Faustina as well and figured he was being tricked by some LARPing autist, but it's concerning to see how his writing has deteriorated since.
At this point there's unfortunately not much doubt that he's schizophrenic and that his symptoms are worsening significantly. He was still lucid at times when we spoke, and even at his worst he would be very clear in his communication.
I'm not sure how to contact the headmins since i'm not on the discord anymore, but i really think it would be a good idea to see if they can use his IP to send a wellness check.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:20 pm
I do genuinely feel bad for Tohg since I've seen someone go down roughly the same path as he did (with the "some larping moron swindles em along")
hopefully he either gets the medical treatment he needs or he learns how to code operating systems and makes an update for TempleOS
I don't think he should be here though
hopefully he either gets the medical treatment he needs or he learns how to code operating systems and makes an update for TempleOS
I don't think he should be here though
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:22 pm
your signature is very relevant for the threadRohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 1:39 pmAnnihilite111 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:41 pmCould you bring it up with headmins? I frankly don't care if it violates some policy - this guy needs help if his surroundings haven't notified anyone already. Schizophrenics are notoriously hard to treat because they rarely seek treatment out themselves.Annihilite111 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:38 pm Fucker's gotten progressively more unhinged since me and him chatted in DMs about a year ago. I got to hear about Faustina as well and figured he was being tricked by some LARPing autist, but it's concerning to see how his writing has deteriorated since.
At this point there's unfortunately not much doubt that he's schizophrenic and that his symptoms are worsening significantly. He was still lucid at times when we spoke, and even at his worst he would be very clear in his communication.
I'm not sure how to contact the headmins since i'm not on the discord anymore, but i really think it would be a good idea to see if they can use his IP to send a wellness check.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:05 pm
Does coding for Space Station drive someone to occultism or must one be an alienist to code for Space Station?
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:16 pm
SS13, never not a magnet for some of the bizarre or vulnerable people to ever exist. A tragic tale.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:54 pm
okay but what if he needs mental help
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:55 pm
I'm sure you have the right intentions, but the idea of the headmins using someone's personal information to send the authorities to their house is... a major breach of trust, even in good faith. Not that an IP can be used to do that in the first place.Annihilite111 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 12:38 pm but i really think it would be a good idea to see if they can use his IP to send a wellness check.
Then again the digg post "TGStation headmins send a wellness check after ban appeal" would be fun to read.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:16 pm
many such cases!Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 3:16 pm SS13, never not a magnet for some of the bizarre or vulnerable people to ever exist. A tragic tale.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:56 pm
Is tohgs signature a The Stranger reference?
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:38 pm
Please do not call the cops on random harmless schizophrenics, it often does more harm than good.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:50 pm
yeah seriously most of the time they end up just shooting the person dead. please never call cops on people because you think they're WeirdRohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:38 pm Please do not call the cops on random harmless schizophrenics, it often does more harm than good.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:15 am
This. Plus even if you're in a civilized country where they'll try to beat them into submission first they'll probably suffer horrible abuse in psych ward. Those institutions really don't treat people humanely. Unless you're on your nth suicide attempt or detached from reality to the point of walking into walls or a giga-masochist who >>likes abuse<< you'll probably just come out worse, dumber, more traumatized and/or more zombie. Not much better than a fucking lobotomy.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:50 pmyeah seriously most of the time they end up just shooting the person dead. please never call cops on people because you think they're WeirdRohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:38 pm Please do not call the cops on random harmless schizophrenics, it often does more harm than good.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:20 am
It's not much better than an alcoholic couple making their child obedient by fucking beating them repeatedly. I hate psychiatrists so fucking much it's unreal.Rohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:15 amThis. Plus even if you're in a civilized country where they'll try to beat them into submission first they'll probably suffer horrible abuse in psych ward. Those institutions really don't treat people humanely. Unless you're on your nth suicide attempt or detached from reality to the point of walking into walls or a giga-masochist who >>likes abuse<< you'll probably just come out worse, dumber, more traumatized and/or more zombie. Not much better than a fucking lobotomy.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:50 pmyeah seriously most of the time they end up just shooting the person dead. please never call cops on people because you think they're WeirdRohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:38 pm Please do not call the cops on random harmless schizophrenics, it often does more harm than good.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:47 am
Sorry for breaking my forum persona character, but do any of you here realize how much of modern psychiatry, neurology, psychology and related fields was influenced by crooks like Lesné, Blanchard, Money, and Zimbardo?Rohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:20 amIt's not much better than an alcoholic couple making their child obedient by fucking beating them repeatedly. I hate psychiatrists so fucking much it's unreal.Rohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:15 amThis. Plus even if you're in a civilized country where they'll try to beat them into submission first they'll probably suffer horrible abuse in psych ward. Those institutions really don't treat people humanely. Unless you're on your nth suicide attempt or detached from reality to the point of walking into walls or a giga-masochist who >>likes abuse<< you'll probably just come out worse, dumber, more traumatized and/or more zombie. Not much better than a fucking lobotomy.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:50 pmyeah seriously most of the time they end up just shooting the person dead. please never call cops on people because you think they're WeirdRohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:38 pm Please do not call the cops on random harmless schizophrenics, it often does more harm than good.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:02 am
Especially Lesné.Rohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:47 amSorry for breaking my forum persona character, but do any of you here realize how much of modern psychiatry, neurology, psychology and related fields was influenced by crooks like Lesné, Blanchard, Money, and Zimbardo?Rohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:20 amIt's not much better than an alcoholic couple making their child obedient by fucking beating them repeatedly. I hate psychiatrists so fucking much it's unreal.Rohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:15 amThis. Plus even if you're in a civilized country where they'll try to beat them into submission first they'll probably suffer horrible abuse in psych ward. Those institutions really don't treat people humanely. Unless you're on your nth suicide attempt or detached from reality to the point of walking into walls or a giga-masochist who >>likes abuse<< you'll probably just come out worse, dumber, more traumatized and/or more zombie. Not much better than a fucking lobotomy.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:50 pmyeah seriously most of the time they end up just shooting the person dead. please never call cops on people because you think they're WeirdRohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:38 pm Please do not call the cops on random harmless schizophrenics, it often does more harm than good.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:08 am
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Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:15 am
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Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:24 am
𒀘𒀣𒀰𒁃𒁋𒁈𒁏𒁱𒁾𒂶
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:36 am
i’m not familiar with these people, could i be educated on them?Rohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:47 am Sorry for breaking my forum persona character, but do any of you here realize how much of modern psychiatry, neurology, psychology and related fields was influenced by crooks like Lesné, Blanchard, Money, and Zimbardo?
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:50 am
Too drunk to talk about all of them but without knowing anything about you I can say that Lesné probably indirectly killed at least one of your grandparents or grand-grandparents.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:36 ami’m not familiar with these people, could i be educated on them?Rohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:47 am Sorry for breaking my forum persona character, but do any of you here realize how much of modern psychiatry, neurology, psychology and related fields was influenced by crooks like Lesné, Blanchard, Money, and Zimbardo?
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:54 am
Also "Money" is "John Money" becayue searching "Money" will probably just give you a bunch of crypto scams and bank ads or something.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:17 am
lesne: awesome medical moment of lying about research and performing monster experiments on people. fucking reincarnation of dr frankenstein except he doesn't regret a single thing he's doneRohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:50 amToo drunk to talk about all of them but without knowing anything about you I can say that Lesné probably indirectly killed at least one of your grandparents or grand-grandparents.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:36 ami’m not familiar with these people, could i be educated on them?Rohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:47 am Sorry for breaking my forum persona character, but do any of you here realize how much of modern psychiatry, neurology, psychology and related fields was influenced by crooks like Lesné, Blanchard, Money, and Zimbardo?
john money at first i read "oh ok gender constructs makes sense" and then it felt like an atomic bomb was just dropped outside of my house i literally could not read anymore of it and i will not repeat what i have read on these forums let alone anywhere. fucking horrible being. i believed hell and demons were real i would legitimately think this man was the devil crawling his way out from the netherworlds onto this planet
blanchard i didn't even have to read more than a sentence worth before i realized how much fucking damage this man has caused to everything. fuck this guy
zimbardo's experiment (the stanford prison experiment) is easily one of the most gut wrenching experiments of all time but i fail to see how he himself is a crook. he's a fucking monster but his work truly brings up the issues of how fucking evil people can be if they're simply given societal pressure or expectations. something i think a lot of people should be mindful about. i would love to hear what you have to say about him, though. maybe i'm just missing something.
take it easy. would love to hear more
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:16 am
This is the guy that pioneered the entire modern understanding of "gender identity" and the concept of gender as something that exists and is distinct from sex. First guy to use the term (in the context of social sciences.)iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:17 am john money at first i read "oh ok gender constructs makes sense" and then it felt like an atomic bomb was just dropped outside of my house i literally could not read anymore of it and i will not repeat what i have read on these forums let alone anywhere. fucking horrible being. i believed hell and demons were real i would legitimately think this man was the devil crawling his way out from the netherworlds onto this planet
A staggering amount of medical science has been pioneered by Josef Mengele tier maniacs
The guards were being encouraged to act cruel, it wasnt behavior that just came out naturally, as he claimed. They held meetings and stuff where they basically told them to be more "tough" and chastised the nicer guards, etciwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:17 am zimbardo's experiment (the stanford prison experiment) is easily one of the most gut wrenching experiments of all time but i fail to see how he himself is a crook. he's a fucking monster but his work truly brings up the issues of how fucking evil people can be if they're simply given societal pressure or expectations
The only thing the "study" even proves is that people will be cruel to others if authority figures actively encourage them to, and also give them money to do it. Woah! who could have thought????
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:29 am
this guy also erected clinics that mutilated unisex children into being "normal". He's a pioneer, sure. But so were the doctors in The Institute for Sexual Research before the nazis grazed it to the ground, whom of which realized that the practice of gender was more than hunter/gather, mother/caregiver- a stark contrast to the ideas of John Money.toemas wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:16 amThis is the guy that pioneered the entire modern understanding of "gender identity" and the concept of gender as something that exists and is distinct from sex. First guy to use the term (in the context of social sciences.)iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:17 am john money at first i read "oh ok gender constructs makes sense" and then it felt like an atomic bomb was just dropped outside of my house i literally could not read anymore of it and i will not repeat what i have read on these forums let alone anywhere. fucking horrible being. i believed hell and demons were real i would legitimately think this man was the devil crawling his way out from the netherworlds onto this planet
A staggering amount of medical science has been pioneered by Josef Mengele tier maniacs
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:38 am
tangentially related, did you guys know that Josef Mengele never got in trouble for anything, he actually fled to Brazil or some shit and lived the rest of his life under his alter ego, "Jose Mengele" (Not joking)
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:47 am
damn someone send me faustina's number i wanna see what a sex-induced coma is like
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:24 am
sorry this came off much more aggressive than i intendediwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:29 amthis guy also erected clinics that mutilated unisex children into being "normal". He's a pioneer, sure. But so were the doctors in The Institute for Sexual Research before the nazis grazed it to the ground, whom of which realized that the practice of gender was more than hunter/gather, mother/caregiver- a stark contrast to the ideas of John Money.toemas wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:16 amThis is the guy that pioneered the entire modern understanding of "gender identity" and the concept of gender as something that exists and is distinct from sex. First guy to use the term (in the context of social sciences.)iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:17 am john money at first i read "oh ok gender constructs makes sense" and then it felt like an atomic bomb was just dropped outside of my house i literally could not read anymore of it and i will not repeat what i have read on these forums let alone anywhere. fucking horrible being. i believed hell and demons were real i would legitimately think this man was the devil crawling his way out from the netherworlds onto this planet
A staggering amount of medical science has been pioneered by Josef Mengele tier maniacs
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:32 pm
Okay fine, i'll admit i got emotional and jumped the gun.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:50 pmyeah seriously most of the time they end up just shooting the person dead. please never call cops on people because you think they're WeirdRohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:38 pm Please do not call the cops on random harmless schizophrenics, it often does more harm than good.
Also it's pretty easy to forget that cops in third world nations like the US are real life shitsec.
Re: Tohg7 appeal.
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:40 pm
aye, it’s all good. you were just worried about emAnnihilite111 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:32 pmOkay fine, i'll admit i got emotional and jumped the gun.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:50 pmyeah seriously most of the time they end up just shooting the person dead. please never call cops on people because you think they're WeirdRohen_Tahir wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:38 pm Please do not call the cops on random harmless schizophrenics, it often does more harm than good.
Also it's pretty easy to forget that cops in third world nations like the US are real life shitsec.