i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Only Certified™ Players™ may post in here.
Forum rules
Only Certified™ Players™ may post in here.
If you are not able to post in here, you are not a Certified™ Player™. Play on a mainline /tg/ game server to gain posting powers in this forum. (certified gamers are only calculated once per day)
User avatar
Scriptis
Joined: Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:05 am
Byond Username: Scriptis

i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by Scriptis » #668603

Bottom post of the previous page:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=33546

if you bring TTVs onto the shuttle without properly securing them and they go off it's your fault

it's like bringing a plasma canister onto the shuttle and saying "it was for eorg!!" when some ban evader opens it
Image
Spoiler:
Image

Image

Image
User avatar
Timberpoes
In-Game Game Master
Joined: Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:54 pm
Byond Username: Timberpoes

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by Timberpoes » #669058

conrad wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:56 pm Timber showed up, pulled up logs. Dude went "Thanks for logs. Headmin pls. Unga bunga."

If he gets unbanned or the note gets removed I'm gonna pee each of your pants.
Can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it speak.
/tg/station Codebase Maintainer
/tg/station Game Master/Discord Jannie: Feed me back in my thread.
/tg/station Admin Trainer: Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more?
Feb 2022-Sep 2022 Host Vote Headmin
Mar 2023-Sep 2023 Admin Vote Headmin
User avatar
Qbmax32
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:05 am
Byond Username: Qbmax32
Github Username: qbmax32
Location: in your walls

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by Qbmax32 » #669108

i could care less about people who bring grief items onto the shuttle so they can detonate them the microsecond the round ends for some funny EORG. if you want to bring maxcaps onto the shuttle so you can blow it up after the round ends and giggle at it thats fine but you need to be willing to accept the consequences if you somehow lose control of them and they get detonated early, if you dont want to accept these potential consequences then leave your grief gear on the station before you board the shuttle, it's that easy
my admin feedback thread


quotes
Spoiler:
wesoda25 wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:02 am Qbmax32 is quite literally one of the dumbest individuals I have ever had the misfortune of coming into contact with. He has zero redeemable traits, and honestly I have to suppress my gag reflex every time he shows up in a conversation.
Malkraz wrote:YES
DRINK THE PISS QB
angelstarri wrote:qbmax is a retard
imsxz wrote:mythic please stop you’ve hit rock bottom and you KEEP DIGGING
deedubya wrote:I'll defend to the death your right to scream "NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER" on a constant basis, but I'll also equally defend the right of people to call you a fuckin' pillock for doing it.
datorangebottle wrote:what, not having to act like customer service in a volunteer customer service position?

Here's a rebuttal: you're literally in a customer service slash celebrity position. Volunteer or not.
Malkraz wrote:can you stop posting this shit
Nalzul wrote:Fuck Blob (can you imagine how hot it would be to be gangbanged by a bunch of blobbernauts, the blob, and spores)
Wyzack wrote:qbmax your pathetic display of abhorrent burgercraft has brought shame onto the omnivores
Plapatin wrote:i AM the senate
BONERMASTER wrote:I am a big thinker, and it would only be logical if my character had a big head as well. And glasses. Because only people that think, wear glasses.
feem wrote:i tried to send canisters of urine to the station but ended up turning all oxygen into urine and breaking lavaland and also breathing
Anonmare wrote:Each post in this thread can't settle on what it wants to be, but yet, each one is more cursed than the last.
Beesting12 wrote:please write an apology to this forums, this community, the host, and the internet as a whole for the data storage space you wasted with this complaint.
Vile Beggar wrote:i don't like this thread
imsxz wrote:nervore
FantasticFwoosh wrote:I will whisper sweet nothings that will confuse and perhaps scare you a little, but enhance the experience no-less.
afelinidisfinetoo wrote:By the way, the person who posted that catgirl porn on the github page was me. If anyone wants my private stash just PM me
Nervere wrote:Anything for a femoid.....
Qbopper wrote:I'm a dumb poopy butthead
CitrusGender wrote:god i love it when people feed me my own fried legs
Boot
Joined: Thu May 12, 2016 10:16 pm
Byond Username: B00t

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by Boot » #669112

Qbmax32 wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:47 am i could care less about people who bring grief items onto the shuttle so they can detonate them the microsecond the round ends for some funny EORG. if you want to bring maxcaps onto the shuttle so you can blow it up after the round ends and giggle at it thats fine but you need to be willing to accept the consequences if you somehow lose control of them and they get detonated early, if you dont want to accept these potential consequences then leave your grief gear on the station before you board the shuttle, it's that easy
If I hold a maxcap TTV in my bag of holding and another player pulls out a esword kills me, pulls out the bomb and detonates it killing everybody else on the shuttle are you honestly saying that I could be held responsible?
Image Image
User avatar
TheLoLSwat
Joined: Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:56 pm
Byond Username: TheLoLSwat
Location: Captain's Office

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by TheLoLSwat » #669114

ban seems lazy if the admin just looked at who created the bomb and slapped a ban on them, which is what it looks like. Not right or wrong or anything because the admin was perfectly in the right to apply the ban they did, just lazy
User avatar
Tearling
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:40 pm
Byond Username: Tearling

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by Tearling » #669163

If I go to the shuttle with a cat, a bomb, and a signaler attached to a Geiger counter that can detect a single atom decaying in a bag of holding, is it grief when some tider kills me, steals the bomb, and puts the shuttle into a quantum superposition of both being griefed and not-griefed?
Image
Timberpoes wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:41 am From my perspective, players just want to genuinely be listened to. And I don't mean it condescendingly, but to genuinely have their say and for admins to listen, process it and reply. Even if you don't give two shits about what the player is saying, even if you disagree with every part of what they say, players are less likely to leave an ahelp pissed off if you've listened to them and given a reply that directly addresses what they've told you.
User avatar
ekaterina
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:40 am
Byond Username: Ekaterina von Russland
Location: Science Maintenance

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by ekaterina » #669176

conrad wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:56 pm Timber showed up, pulled up logs. Dude went "Thanks for logs. Headmin pls. Unga bunga."

If he gets unbanned or the note gets removed I'm gonna pee each of your pants.
What else would he do with such a patently unfair ban?
I have a confirmed grand total of 1 merged PR. That basically means I'm a c*der now. 8-)
toemas wrote: ekaterina is really funny because they just consistently say what should be complete common sense (...) and then they get dogpiled by everyone in the thread
kinnebian wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2023 12:51 am i agree with ekaterina but in a less aggressive manner
sinfulbliss wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 2:03 am Marina is actually a very high quality roleplayer, believe it or not, and a pretty fun and good-faith player in my experience.
warbluke wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:03 am Suboptimal research play detected, deploying lethal force.
Timberpoes wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:50 am No deviations allowed. All must know the meta. All must power the game.
Image
User avatar
Ziiro
Joined: Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:12 pm
Byond Username: Ziiro
Github Username: Ziiro
Location: Robotics
Contact:

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by Ziiro » #669194

Boot wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:58 am
Qbmax32 wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:47 am i could care less about people who bring grief items onto the shuttle so they can detonate them the microsecond the round ends for some funny EORG. if you want to bring maxcaps onto the shuttle so you can blow it up after the round ends and giggle at it thats fine but you need to be willing to accept the consequences if you somehow lose control of them and they get detonated early, if you dont want to accept these potential consequences then leave your grief gear on the station before you board the shuttle, it's that easy
If I hold a maxcap TTV in my bag of holding and another player pulls out a esword kills me, pulls out the bomb and detonates it killing everybody else on the shuttle are you honestly saying that I could be held responsible?
Yes. Because you brought it. You set up the situation so you hold responsibility. If you can't handle the risk of it then don't do it. Simple as.
User avatar
The Wrench
Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:06 am
Byond Username: The Wrench

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by The Wrench » #669271

The scientist did nothing wrong, and it’s two minutes before the shift restarts regardless. I’m half tempted to make the evac shuttle a PVP enabled zone so we can finally dumpster this stupid argument over EROG
Image
Jonathan Gupta wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:32 pm all you godamn do is whine and complain come up with ideas, stop bitching for christs sake.
Flatulent wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:02 am You and anyone who supports the rule 3 as described by mso is simply put not an lrp player
Image

Image

Image

Image
Turbonerd
Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:18 pm
Byond Username: AccountName5

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by Turbonerd » #669284

Adam Klein wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 10:36 pm The scientist did nothing wrong, and it’s two minutes before the shift restarts regardless. I’m half tempted to make the evac shuttle a PVP enabled zone so we can finally dumpster this stupid argument over EROG
EORG starts when the round ends. Anyome failing to understand this is retarded.
User avatar
CMDR_Gungnir
Joined: Tue May 04, 2021 11:11 am
Byond Username: CMDR Gungnir

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by CMDR_Gungnir » #669330

Ziiro wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:37 pm
Boot wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:58 am
Qbmax32 wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:47 am i could care less about people who bring grief items onto the shuttle so they can detonate them the microsecond the round ends for some funny EORG. if you want to bring maxcaps onto the shuttle so you can blow it up after the round ends and giggle at it thats fine but you need to be willing to accept the consequences if you somehow lose control of them and they get detonated early, if you dont want to accept these potential consequences then leave your grief gear on the station before you board the shuttle, it's that easy
If I hold a maxcap TTV in my bag of holding and another player pulls out a esword kills me, pulls out the bomb and detonates it killing everybody else on the shuttle are you honestly saying that I could be held responsible?
Yes. Because you brought it. You set up the situation so you hold responsibility. If you can't handle the risk of it then don't do it. Simple as.
It really is such a double edged sword.

On the one hand, the dude at least put in some effort to contain it (though a fantastic point was raised about "would you really trust a scientist with a welded locker?")

But like. Morally, I think he's a fucking lame-o who deserves it because people who go "unga unga unga, I'm gonna kill everyone the nanosecond the shuttle lands!" are boring and should probably be slapped with Rule 1 because you're being a bit of a dick by denying anyone else the chance to do a little EORG by just detonating everything in the first two seconds. (you don't even get to do anything either! you push a single signaller and EORG is over and everyone just sits there until the round resets!)

Honestly, I care more when this happens to me than I do when it happens to me while the shuttle's in transit, because as other people say, round's gonna restart in 2 minutes anyway, who cares. Not like 'be alive when you arrive at CentCom really matters', but EORG Prep is just Boring and NRP (imo)
User avatar
Armhulen
Global Moderator
Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:30 pm
Byond Username: Armhulenn
Github Username: bazelart
Location: The Grand Tournament

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by Armhulen » #669424

TheLoLSwat wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:08 am ban seems lazy if the admin just looked at who created the bomb and slapped a ban on them, which is what it looks like. Not right or wrong or anything because the admin was perfectly in the right to apply the ban they did, just lazy
It's only about being right or wrong to ban tho. Someone could meticulously piece every part of the puzzle together and if they make the wrong call it's still a bad ban
User avatar
mrmelbert
In-Game Game Master
Joined: Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:26 pm
Byond Username: Mr Melbert

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by mrmelbert » #669436

kieth4 wrote: I've got a simple and quick view. The bombs were secured, it's not his fault. An unrelated shitter broke the locker took apart the bomb and then blew it up. What was he meant to do? Kill the gygax?
What was he meant to do? Oh I dunno, maybe "don't bring maxcaps onto the shuttle"
Admin: December 2020 - Present
Code Maintainer: December 2021 - Present
Head Admin: Feburary 2022 - September 2022
Youtube Guy: sometimes


Image
Turbonerd
Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:18 pm
Byond Username: AccountName5

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by Turbonerd » #669443

mrmelbert wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:11 pm
kieth4 wrote: I've got a simple and quick view. The bombs were secured, it's not his fault. An unrelated shitter broke the locker took apart the bomb and then blew it up. What was he meant to do? Kill the gygax?
What was he meant to do? Oh I dunno, maybe "don't bring maxcaps onto the shuttle"
User avatar
kieth4
In-Game Head Admin
Joined: Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:17 pm
Byond Username: Kieth4

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by kieth4 » #669458

mrmelbert wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:11 pm
kieth4 wrote: I've got a simple and quick view. The bombs were secured, it's not his fault. An unrelated shitter broke the locker took apart the bomb and then blew it up. What was he meant to do? Kill the gygax?
What was he meant to do? Oh I dunno, maybe "don't bring maxcaps onto the shuttle"
Idk man, people bringing bombs to the shuttle is done all the time. It's not his fault some shitter blew them up.
Image
User avatar
Armhulen
Global Moderator
Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:30 pm
Byond Username: Armhulenn
Github Username: bazelart
Location: The Grand Tournament

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by Armhulen » #669463

i mean, he is responsible for the bombs he made going off tho. if you bring bombs on the shuttle and gave it to someone else and they set it off, there's a question on whether they're an antag or not but you definitely fucked up regardless
Boot
Joined: Thu May 12, 2016 10:16 pm
Byond Username: B00t

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by Boot » #669471

This idea that just because you brought it onto the shuttle you are fucked no matter how it goes off is just crazy. It makes people more paranoid that they'll get bwoinked instead of at each other.

If the events happened 3 tiles outside in evac and suddenly it's not the scientists fault at all then that's retarded. Everyone knows what a scientists welded locker means.
Image Image
Turbonerd
Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:18 pm
Byond Username: AccountName5

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by Turbonerd » #669479

Boot wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:10 pm This idea that just because you brought it onto the shuttle you are fucked no matter how it goes off is just crazy. It makes people more paranoid that they'll get bwoinked instead of at each other.

If the events happened 3 tiles outside in evac and suddenly it's not the scientists fault at all then that's retarded. Everyone knows what a scientists welded locker means.
Then don't prepare for EORG before the round actually ends, and consider RPing instead. It's not that hard, lol. Admins will probably blow Centcom up anyways. It is not anyone's right to competitively be the person to end everyone else's EORG before everyone else can.
User avatar
mrmelbert
In-Game Game Master
Joined: Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:26 pm
Byond Username: Mr Melbert

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by mrmelbert » #669487

If I was EORG prepping my maxcaps I'd remove one of the two tanks and keep it in my backpack, then just slap them together at 0:03. Like it's not that hard
Admin: December 2020 - Present
Code Maintainer: December 2021 - Present
Head Admin: Feburary 2022 - September 2022
Youtube Guy: sometimes


Image
Boot
Joined: Thu May 12, 2016 10:16 pm
Byond Username: B00t

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by Boot » #669495

Turbonerd wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:37 pm
Boot wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:10 pm This idea that just because you brought it onto the shuttle you are fucked no matter how it goes off is just crazy. It makes people more paranoid that they'll get bwoinked instead of at each other.

If the events happened 3 tiles outside in evac and suddenly it's not the scientists fault at all then that's retarded. Everyone knows what a scientists welded locker means.
Then don't prepare for EORG before the round actually ends, and consider RPing instead. It's not that hard, lol. Admins will probably blow Centcom up anyways. It is not anyone's right to competitively be the person to end everyone else's EORG before everyone else can.
Hey Terryfriend I'm not saying that they have a "right" to do so, anyone can bully someone obviously preparing EORG. Infact I do it all the time. My issue here is that when someone goes out of their way to trigger that EORG early I don't really think that the guy who prepared it in the first place ought to be held as the one responsible.
Image Image
Turbonerd
Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:18 pm
Byond Username: AccountName5

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by Turbonerd » #669510

Boot wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:38 pm
Turbonerd wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:37 pm
Boot wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:10 pm This idea that just because you brought it onto the shuttle you are fucked no matter how it goes off is just crazy. It makes people more paranoid that they'll get bwoinked instead of at each other.

If the events happened 3 tiles outside in evac and suddenly it's not the scientists fault at all then that's retarded. Everyone knows what a scientists welded locker means.
Then don't prepare for EORG before the round actually ends, and consider RPing instead. It's not that hard, lol. Admins will probably blow Centcom up anyways. It is not anyone's right to competitively be the person to end everyone else's EORG before everyone else can.
Hey Terryfriend I'm not saying that they have a "right" to do so, anyone can bully someone obviously preparing EORG. Infact I do it all the time. My issue here is that when someone goes out of their way to trigger that EORG early I don't really think that the guy who prepared it in the first place ought to be held as the one responsible.
The person that sets up the EORG is part of the reason why this happens, and that's why they're responsible. Premature EORG is a very common occurrence, so it makes sense for admins to curb it. Shuttles aren't that different from planes, and no one is going to let you deliver a bomb to a plane.

It doesn't make sense to bring bombs to the emergency escape shuttle, especially while the alert level is blue, so it does not grant the coolness factor to invoke rule 0. It was completely preventable grief.

Having the possibility to get banned is a good motivation to at least make sure your shit is secure. Perhaps a hastily welded locker isn't the most secure thing.
User avatar
AlamoTurtle
Joined: Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:05 pm
Byond Username: Alamo Turtle

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by AlamoTurtle » #669920

Turbonerd wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:17 pm
Boot wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:38 pm
Turbonerd wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:37 pm
Boot wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:10 pm This idea that just because you brought it onto the shuttle you are fucked no matter how it goes off is just crazy. It makes people more paranoid that they'll get bwoinked instead of at each other.

If the events happened 3 tiles outside in evac and suddenly it's not the scientists fault at all then that's retarded. Everyone knows what a scientists welded locker means.
Then don't prepare for EORG before the round actually ends, and consider RPing instead. It's not that hard, lol. Admins will probably blow Centcom up anyways. It is not anyone's right to competitively be the person to end everyone else's EORG before everyone else can.
Hey Terryfriend I'm not saying that they have a "right" to do so, anyone can bully someone obviously preparing EORG. Infact I do it all the time. My issue here is that when someone goes out of their way to trigger that EORG early I don't really think that the guy who prepared it in the first place ought to be held as the one responsible.
The person that sets up the EORG is part of the reason why this happens, and that's why they're responsible. Premature EORG is a very common occurrence, so it makes sense for admins to curb it. Shuttles aren't that different from planes, and no one is going to let you deliver a bomb to a plane.

It doesn't make sense to bring bombs to the emergency escape shuttle, especially while the alert level is blue, so it does not grant the coolness factor to invoke rule 0. It was completely preventable grief.

Having the possibility to get banned is a good motivation to at least make sure your shit is secure. Perhaps a hastily welded locker isn't the most secure thing.
Understandable, EORG preparation means cutting out a corner tile on the outside of the shuttle and wrenching your shenanigans down.
Image
Image
Image
User avatar
Ziiro
Joined: Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:12 pm
Byond Username: Ziiro
Github Username: Ziiro
Location: Robotics
Contact:

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by Ziiro » #669921

Wonder what the effect on the game would be if you made unreasonable eorg prep a punishable offense for a few months

Bringing a toolbox to hit people with? Sure whatever

Bringing the entire armory/maxcap with you? Bwoink
User avatar
Timberpoes
In-Game Game Master
Joined: Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:54 pm
Byond Username: Timberpoes

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by Timberpoes » #672364

With a pretty interesting (albeit delayed) headmin response on this, I'm tentatively re-opening this so people can have a bit of a chat about the final outcome and the classic 3-way headmin split.

Note that I tl;dr the more complete reasonings for both Misdoubtful and Kieth, so if I picked the wrong stuff to communicate that's totes my bad. In that case, do shoot the messenger (me).
/tg/station Codebase Maintainer
/tg/station Game Master/Discord Jannie: Feed me back in my thread.
/tg/station Admin Trainer: Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more?
Feb 2022-Sep 2022 Host Vote Headmin
Mar 2023-Sep 2023 Admin Vote Headmin
User avatar
iwishforducks
Joined: Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:48 pm
Byond Username: Iwishforducks

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by iwishforducks » #672365

the wild thing is i agree with all 3 headmin decisions
im gay (and also play the moth “bugger”)

Image
User avatar
BeeSting12
Joined: Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:11 am
Byond Username: BeeSting12
Github Username: BeeSting12
Location: 'Murica

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by BeeSting12 » #672372

Yeah, any of those decisions would've been valid ingame admin rulings to make. Amending the note makes the most sense as a middle ground. It's a little late to overturn the ban so misdoubtful got his way on that one anyway. Also nice to see some internal debate amongst the headmins. I always find it interesting to see their individual opinions instead of it just being a monolithic 'uphold'.
Edward Sloan, THE LAW
Melanie Flowers, Catgirl
Borgasm, Cyborg
Spoiler:
OOC: Hunterh98: to be fair sloan is one of the, if not the, most robust folks on tg

DEAD: Schlomo Gaskin says, "sloan may be a faggot but he gets the job done"

DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "YOU'RE EVERYWHERE WHERE BAD SHIT IS HAPPENING"
DEAD: Rei Ayanami says, "IT'S ALWAYS FUCKING EDWARD SLOAN"
oranges wrote:Bee sting is honestly the nicest admin, I look forward to seeing him as a headmin one day
[2020-05-21 01:21:48.923] SAY: Crippo/(Impala Chainee) "Shaggy Voice - She like... wants to get Eiffel Towered bro!!" (Brig (125, 166, 2))
hows my driving?
User avatar
Bawhoppennn
Github User
Joined: Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:42 pm
Byond Username: Bawhoppennn
Github Username: Bawhoppen

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by Bawhoppennn » #672392

The best thing to come from this thread is this quote to collect for my signature
Scriptis wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:07 am upon closer inspection i can safely confirm that bawhoppennn is right
I consider myself a /tg/station historian. If you're interested in the server history at all, feel free to ask me and I'll try and get you an answer! #ConcurForever

Image
<KorMobile> you're a hero

[21:20:53] <%oranges> Baw "has cute legs" hoppen
Image
DEAD: ADMIN(Owegno) says, "Nothing lewd happens in adminbus sadly."

[07:13:57] <Rockdtben> Keep in mind that I'm an extremely successful and wealthy male in his late twenties.

(F) DEAD: Professor DonkPocket says, "Admins preventchaos with good messages"

OOC: Pogoman122: Fun fact if someone trespasses on your kitchen just turn them into a nugget

Image

<+KorPhaeron> russians have no souls so magic enrages them
<+KorPhaeron> people who don't like rng are not from /tg/ and are likely redditors
ausops wrote:apart from this there is literally nothing more to say other than that this is the first thread in five years to have achieved something.
User avatar
conrad
Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:57 am
Byond Username: Conrad Thunderbunch
Location: 𝑀𝑜𝒾𝓈𝓉

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by conrad » #672414

I don't agree with Kieth4 ("Oh wow Ricky really?" No seriously hear me out). It generates a precedent that people should not worry about their EORG stuff being stolen/used prematurely since it'll "totally not be their fault since people bring it onto the shuttle all the time, man".

I don't like this "who cares" attitude. Some people do care. It alienates and fails to cater to people who want to see the round end screen without being turned into chunky salsa, which has rules and precedents protecting that want.

It's important to not take the game so seriously. It's also important to keep a certain minimum standard to just how serious is enough.

I'm glad there's a least a note, in the end. Please don't make this headmin term the "it's ok to be a shitter" term.
I normally go by Ricky. Tell me how'd I do here.
And now a word from our sponsors:
Image
Image
Image
dendydoom wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 11:51 am conrad is a badass
Armhulen wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pm
The Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
kayozz wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2023 1:13 pm
Kendrickorium wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2023 11:53 am
kayozz wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2023 10:24 am
conrad wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2023 9:47 am I'm with Gupta on this one you only ever get two eyeballs.
Speak for yourself two-eyes.
With love,
A genuine cyclops.
absolutely based, do you wear an eyepatch?
That would render a cyclops blind.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pm
Drag wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:51 pm We should do a weighted random headmins vote, let God decide
It would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Lacran wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:02 pm If you can't do the time, don't play a mime
kayozz wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:04 pm Don't wanna get beat? Keep your clown shoes on your feet.
kieth4 wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:03 pm I have clapped women with cat ears but I would not clap a cat fr kinda a flarped up connection
Vekter wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:13 pm I don't care if you disagree, you're wrong.
yttriums wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:13 am borg players shouldn't be able to ahelp. you signed up to play as a piece of equipment. this is like a table ahelping you for wrenching it
dendydoom wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:02 pm basically what we learned from this is that i continue to be right about everything
User avatar
TheLoLSwat
Joined: Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:56 pm
Byond Username: TheLoLSwat
Location: Captain's Office

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by TheLoLSwat » #672484

simple policy change would be to look at the person who actually kaboomed the bombs to ban and then giving the scientist a note that explained the situation just in case a pattern starts to emerge
User avatar
conrad
Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:57 am
Byond Username: Conrad Thunderbunch
Location: 𝑀𝑜𝒾𝓈𝓉

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by conrad » #672487

TheLoLSwat wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:09 pm simple policy change would be to look at the person who actually kaboomed the bombs to ban and then giving the scientist a note that explained the situation just in case a pattern starts to emerge
LolSwat is correct again.
I normally go by Ricky. Tell me how'd I do here.
And now a word from our sponsors:
Image
Image
Image
dendydoom wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 11:51 am conrad is a badass
Armhulen wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 11:08 pm
The Spessmen Times wrote:Prohibition agent Sam Salamander bragged that he could find a metacord in any server in under 30 minutes. In Bagil it took him 21 minutes. In Sybil 17 minutes, and Manuel just 11 minutes. But Terry set the record of 35 seconds. Sam asked an assistant on the arrivals shuttle where to get a discord invite, and the assistant linked him one.
kayozz wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2023 1:13 pm
Kendrickorium wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2023 11:53 am
kayozz wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2023 10:24 am
conrad wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2023 9:47 am I'm with Gupta on this one you only ever get two eyeballs.
Speak for yourself two-eyes.
With love,
A genuine cyclops.
absolutely based, do you wear an eyepatch?
That would render a cyclops blind.
RedBaronFlyer wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:52 pm
Drag wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:51 pm We should do a weighted random headmins vote, let God decide
It would somehow manage to pick Birdshot Station for headmin if we did that
Lacran wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:02 pm If you can't do the time, don't play a mime
kayozz wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:04 pm Don't wanna get beat? Keep your clown shoes on your feet.
kieth4 wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:03 pm I have clapped women with cat ears but I would not clap a cat fr kinda a flarped up connection
Vekter wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 8:13 pm I don't care if you disagree, you're wrong.
yttriums wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2024 12:13 am borg players shouldn't be able to ahelp. you signed up to play as a piece of equipment. this is like a table ahelping you for wrenching it
dendydoom wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:02 pm basically what we learned from this is that i continue to be right about everything
User avatar
Ziiro
Joined: Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:12 pm
Byond Username: Ziiro
Github Username: Ziiro
Location: Robotics
Contact:

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by Ziiro » #672493

I stand by my stance that both parties should probably be punished in equal measure. If you want to spend the time and energy to do le epic eorg grief XD then you're betting big on pulling it off, and you need to take your lumps if you fuck up. If you don't want that risk? Don't do this shit, then.

Part of this is because of the inevitable level of failure on only ruling one side:
"The player that activates the bombs is at fault and the creator is faultless" -> lmao everyone bring bombs and OOPS I DROPPED MY SIGNALLER!! SO CLUMSY OF ME!!
vs
"The player that creates the bombs is at fault and the person who triggered them is faultless" -> Guy brought bombs, must be valid, kill him. If he isn't valid and we do it, there's no consequences for us.

This ruling keeps us in a grey area that it has to be evaluated on a situation by situation basis, which is tiring for admins and players.
User avatar
Timberpoes
In-Game Game Master
Joined: Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:54 pm
Byond Username: Timberpoes

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by Timberpoes » #672506

Applying a bit of general transparency; the bomber had a generally clean history since 2021 with nothing similar to this, so they ended up only getting a note.

Mazur averages multiple notes per month and has collected over 40 combined bans and notes for rule breaking behaviour since January 2021 from over 20 different admins. It's a miracle they're not perma'd already, as they show precisely 0 signs of improvement over the past 2 years.

That aside, it still didn't feel right to hold Mazur responsible for the bombing itself. I personally draw the line at holding Player A responsible for the independent actions of Player B breaking the rules, which is a large part of why I felt the ban portion should be overturned. I totally felt it was fine holding him accountable for setting up the scenario where it could happen for such a low-effort reason.

These rulings will always be a grey area. Admins are trained to evaluate incidents on a situation-by-situation basis.
/tg/station Codebase Maintainer
/tg/station Game Master/Discord Jannie: Feed me back in my thread.
/tg/station Admin Trainer: Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more?
Feb 2022-Sep 2022 Host Vote Headmin
Mar 2023-Sep 2023 Admin Vote Headmin
User avatar
kayozz
Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:56 pm
Byond Username: Kayozz11

Re: i want a headmin review because the explosion wasn't my fault nut

Post by kayozz » #672535

A bomb on the shuttle is intrinsically the spirit of the game. But we as a society need to at least pretend it isn't.
NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR GREENTEXT
Locked

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users