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Cnam5!!3 bothered to read it, it's kinda meh. My question is, what's the point in a blacklist if people can just appeal them? This is dumb. How did this even get surfaced to the forums?

*burp* one time we blacklisted a dude for cyberstalking an underage girl and doxing her and the admins let him come back into the community under a new name and we the playerbase didn't know about it for 9 months until he acted retarded enough that someone leaked his true identity

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:44 pm *burp* one time we blacklisted a dude for cyberstalking an underage girl and doxing her and the admins let him come back into the community under a new name and we the playerbase didn't know about it for 9 months until he acted retarded enough that someone leaked his true identity

what the hell

it's 100 percent true his name was "helios127" and they let him come back as "the clowns pocket"

Doesn't really matter if you think its incomprehensible, it only makes sense to MSO and other people who were there who (hopefully) remember alot of context to this

Plus if you read the appeal or was there the day it happened its pretty clear he shouldn't really be the one blacklisted since he was not the one posting the dox website and was only caught at the wrong place at the wrong time

The shitload of admins and players advocating for his unblacklisting also shows that

ew, all the gross tgmc people are coming around.

Completely lacking context/logs/everything so. Good luck to the dude if he's innocent. Bad luck grr grr if not.

Kinda antithetical to what a "blacklist" is but hey if any appeal is going to work, that's the one

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:44 pm *burp* one time we blacklisted a dude for cyberstalking an underage girl and doxing her and the admins let him come back into the community under a new name and we the playerbase didn't know about it for 9 months until he acted retarded enough that someone leaked his true identity

prove it

holy shit all of tgmc is stepping up for this guy

toemas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:20 am

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:44 pm *burp* one time we blacklisted a dude for cyberstalking an underage girl and doxing her and the admins let him come back into the community under a new name and we the playerbase didn't know about it for 9 months until he acted retarded enough that someone leaked his true identity

prove it

Not gonna confirm or deny if this is true, but I do remember The Clowns Pocket and he definitely acted retarded while here. I also remember hearing something about how he was an old player under a new name but not 100% sure, it was a while ago. I remember him making "add poo" threads or some shit until he got told to stop or maybe even forum banned.

dumb hypothetical question: in theory, if a player managed to ban evade but demonstrated that they otherwise broke no rules, over a significant period of time, would that player be able to use a vouch from /tg/station for their prior ban upon getting caught?

datorangebottle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:50 am dumb hypothetical question: in theory, if a player managed to ban evade but demonstrated that they otherwise broke no rules, over a significant period of time, would that player be able to use a vouch from /tg/station for their prior ban upon getting caught?

I doubt that. They would have been ban evading the whole time. That's not a good look.

datorangebottle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:50 am dumb hypothetical question: in theory, if a player managed to ban evade but demonstrated that they otherwise broke no rules, over a significant period of time, would that player be able to use a vouch from /tg/station for their prior ban upon getting caught?

I doubt it since the main issue was not their ingame conduct but their conduct in the greater community. By all accounts it seems like they were upstanding members of the community ingame, they just fucked up when they opened discord.

Discord is a mistake.

datorangebottle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:50 am dumb hypothetical question: in theory, if a player managed to ban evade but demonstrated that they otherwise broke no rules, over a significant period of time, would that player be able to use a vouch from /tg/station for their prior ban upon getting caught?

yeah, and I'm pretty sure it happened before. You do really have to be on your best behavior when evading to not raise any eyebrows.

edit: wouldn't apply to blacklists tho

datorangebottle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:50 am dumb hypothetical question: in theory, if a player managed to ban evade but demonstrated that they otherwise broke no rules, over a significant period of time, would that player be able to use a vouch from /tg/station for their prior ban upon getting caught?

What striders said.

The ultimate goal of rule enforcement is to end up with players that follow the rules.

People that evade then follow the rules and stay off the radar are doing precisely what we wanted in the first place.

Appealing in the first place when you previously evaded shows growth of character.

It would be nice if nobody evaded at all, but life is never so straightforward.

toemas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:20 am

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:44 pm *burp* one time we blacklisted a dude for cyberstalking an underage girl and doxing her and the admins let him come back into the community under a new name and we the playerbase didn't know about it for 9 months until he acted retarded enough that someone leaked his true identity

prove it

oranges will confirm this

Turbonerd wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:55 am

datorangebottle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:50 am dumb hypothetical question: in theory, if a player managed to ban evade but demonstrated that they otherwise broke no rules, over a significant period of time, would that player be able to use a vouch from /tg/station for their prior ban upon getting caught?

I doubt that. They would have been ban evading the whole time. That's not a good look.

Yes, but while ban evading, they consistently demonstrated that they'd revised their understanding of the other rules and were able to act completely in compliance with them. Surely this would count for something?

BeeSting12 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:02 am I doubt it since the main issue was not their ingame conduct but their conduct in the greater community. By all accounts it seems like they were upstanding members of the community ingame, they just fucked up when they opened discord.

...I was asking a hypothetical question mostly unrelated to the appeal at large.

Striders13 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:39 am yeah, and I'm pretty sure it happened before. You do really have to be on your best behavior when evading to not raise any eyebrows.

edit: wouldn't apply to blacklists tho

Edit makes sense. Blacklists tend to be more unique and severe punishments anyway. It's interesting that there might be precedent for it.

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:57 am The ultimate goal of rule enforcement is to end up with players that follow the rules.

People that evade then follow the rules and stay off the radar are doing precisely what we wanted in the first place.

Appealing in the first place when you previously evaded shows growth of character.

It would be nice if nobody evaded at all, but life is never so straightforward.

I like this angle. It's not one I expected, for some reason.

someone get oranges in here

Alexei right now:
https://youtu.be/-O_1Jp36xHI?t=173

Scene from Better Call Saul, no real spoilers.

Everyone should probably temper their expectations because the odds of this getting lifted are about zero.

TGMC avengers unite to bail their friend out including the guy who let out his baby rage in snake profile pics

toemas wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:14 am someone get oranges in here

it's true enough, I don't remember the specifics but they let them back in under a different name.

I don't recall what they were banned for originally though so I don't know if crag is right about that.

I only remember that a lot of people who are now permanently banned from tg station were furious when it came out

Disappointing conclusion. TGMC even came out in force in support of this man and MSO didn't grant him clemency. Sad.

ekaterina wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:55 pm Disappointing conclusion. TGMC even came out in force in support of this man and MSO didn't grant him clemency. Sad.

It was a blacklist.

Turbonerd wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:10 pm

ekaterina wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:55 pm Disappointing conclusion. TGMC even came out in force in support of this man and MSO didn't grant him clemency. Sad.

It was a blacklist.

it's Video Game Space Station 13 you hold it way too sacred

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:12 pm

Turbonerd wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:10 pm

ekaterina wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:55 pm Disappointing conclusion. TGMC even came out in force in support of this man and MSO didn't grant him clemency. Sad.

It was a blacklist.

it's Video Game Space Station 13 you hold it way too sacred

Oh you're right! It IS a video game! So I guess doxxers are allowed to be in our community.
I'm not holding anything sacred when the bar is that low, "No doxxers"

and you might be reading those posts, "he didn't mean to!"
I've never accidentally spread dox

let he who has not done something stupid on the internet once in their life cast the first stone

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:30 am let he who has not done something stupid on the internet once in their life cast the first stone

me? ive never done anything wrong..

yeah it was stupid, hence the blacklist which we have no obligation to lift because once a doxxer always a doxxer and there's a non-zero reoffending rate from people who do it once

the best was I can put it is like, imagine you were in a community, and someone doxxed you, and then you learned that the admins unblacklisted them for doxxing in the past
I'd be fucking pissed

Armhulen wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:06 am and you might be reading those posts, "he didn't mean to!"
I've never accidentally spread dox

I hate it when I sneeze while typing and accidentally link someone's social media.

Armhulen wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:06 am and you might be reading those posts, "he didn't mean to!"
I've never accidentally spread dox

It's not even that, it's that he didn't do it, some other guy he was talking to did.

ekaterina wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:44 am

Armhulen wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:06 am and you might be reading those posts, "he didn't mean to!"
I've never accidentally spread dox

It's not even that, it's that he didn't do it, some other guy he was talking to did.

theres only one correct response to dox my friend