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this guy has to be taking the piss on god

well yeah I agree the slogan is close and yeah I did use the SS one Honestly I did because it sounds cooler not because of the affiliation I think the werhmact one is Oberst or somthing which sounds shit. and again [2023-03-21 00:23:36] Xxx_epicgamer_xxX/(Oberfuhrer Otto Weber) (Bridge (116,110,2)) (Event #9) "you not from the great riech" that quote is taken out of context here I could not understand what the person was saying. as I said to the other admin I could not understand him and if you read what my character was going to be it made sense its like he was a stranger and like your not from where im from.

[conrad]

Can we add being a nazi or EthnoNationalist as a blacklistable offense?

If you’re gonna argue for genocide, please never come back.

You can't undox someone. You can stop being a Nazi.

[iwishforducks]

You can point to any idea and find a fucking idiot somewhere in there. Saying everyone who leans right js a nazi because of some literally who is the exact same thing as saying everyone who votes democrat is a rapist because Harvey Weinstein was a Clinton backer. All that is accomplished by using the word nazi liberally is to make people think "maybe nazis aint that bad" cuz you applied it to every milquetoast dipshit with bad ideas and then you get oberfuhrer fartdick in ss13 making EIN VOLK EIN SPESS announcements

this is about the “alt-right”, not the “right”, as far as im concerned a majority of right winged people find them distasteful. the alt-right is an entirely separate group of people. and the alt-right was quite literally forged by neo-nazis, hence empressmaia’s statement

[Itseasytosee2me]

Its getting pretty spicy in here.

[Super Aggro Crag]

You can point to any idea and find a fucking idiot somewhere in there. Saying everyone who leans right js a nazi because of some literally who is the exact same thing as saying everyone who votes democrat is a rapist because Harvey Weinstein was a Clinton backer. All that is accomplished by using the word nazi liberally is to make people think "maybe nazis aint that bad" cuz you applied it to every milquetoast dipshit with bad ideas and then you get oberfuhrer fartdick in ss13 making EIN VOLK EIN SPESS announcements

this is about the “alt-right”, not the “right”, as far as im concerned a majority of right winged people find them distasteful. the alt-right is an entirely separate group of people. and the alt-right was quite literally forged by neo-nazis, hence empressmaia’s statement

The majority of right wing people find the majority of other right wing people distasteful. They're not a monolith. Allowing some delgo to lay claim that he FORGED AND FABRICATED THE VERY CONCEPT OF RIGHT WING DISCOURSE IN THE FIRES OF MOUNT RACISM is fuckin stupid.

[iwishforducks]

You can point to any idea and find a fucking idiot somewhere in there. Saying everyone who leans right js a nazi because of some literally who is the exact same thing as saying everyone who votes democrat is a rapist because Harvey Weinstein was a Clinton backer. All that is accomplished by using the word nazi liberally is to make people think "maybe nazis aint that bad" cuz you applied it to every milquetoast dipshit with bad ideas and then you get oberfuhrer fartdick in ss13 making EIN VOLK EIN SPESS announcements

this is about the “alt-right”, not the “right”, as far as im concerned a majority of right winged people find them distasteful. the alt-right is an entirely separate group of people. and the alt-right was quite literally forged by neo-nazis, hence empressmaia’s statement

The majority of right wing people find the majority of other right wing people distasteful. They're not a monolith. Allowing some delgo to lay claim that he FORGED AND FABRICATED THE VERY CONCEPT OF RIGHT WING DISCOURSE IN THE FIRES OF MOUNT RACISM is fuckin stupid.

if your concept of right wing ideology doesn't distinct alt-right ideology then this sounds like a you problem. i cannot stress my distinction enough

[kayozz]

Can we add being a nazi or EthnoNationalist as a blacklistable offense?

If you’re gonna argue for genocide, please never come back.

You can't undox someone. You can stop being a Nazi.

I mean... can you? I guess there's reformed previous racists who got away from the bad influencers and ex-skinheads who left the gangs etc.... But surely a view as extreme as being a Nazi is hard to shake away.
Unless you mean you can stop being a Nazi by the method of hanging them by their neck until dead?

I dunno, not doubting you but are there any examples of reformed Nazis? As in original Nazis not neo-Nazis.

[Omega_DarkPotato]

I dunno, not doubting you but are there any examples of reformed Nazis? As in original Nazis not neo-Nazis.

Look up Operation Paperclip - the US military decided that the Nazis had some pretty good scientists and took em for use in our own research.
Depends on how far you have to go for "proving" reformation, but positive contribution while leaving your original beliefs behind seems like a decent method for doing so - and examples like Wernher von Braun, chief architect of the Saturn V rocket that got man to the moon, had pretty positive contributions.

[kayozz]

I dunno, not doubting you but are there any examples of reformed Nazis? As in original Nazis not neo-Nazis.

Look up Operation Paperclip - the US military decided that the Nazis had some pretty good scientists and took em for use in our own research.
Depends on how far you have to go for "proving" reformation, but positive contribution while leaving your original beliefs behind seems like a decent method for doing so - and examples like Wernher von Braun, chief architect of the Saturn V rocket that got man to the moon, had pretty positive contributions.

Oh yeah, but they weren't 'reformed' they were given an option. Go to jail or work for the USA. Hardly a moment of conscious self-reflection. I mean arguably they chose a better path later in life, but it was probably through the threat of jail/execution rather than 'oh we're the evil guys'.

I think what I mean is... Did anyone actively condemn Nazism years later after the horrible shit they did? All the time I read examples of former SS and Wermacht guards and soldiers and they never seem repentant, rather spouting the 'we were only following orders' line.

[conrad]

I mean... can you? I guess there's reformed previous racists who got away from the bad influencers and ex-skinheads who left the gangs etc.... But surely a view as extreme as being a Nazi is hard to shake away.

This line of enquiry makes me irrevocably sad. So when someone fucks up, joins the wrong crowd and has the chance to be better, what, we just ignore them and alienate them? Won't that make the same previous crowd, in this case the fucking nazis, seem like the welcoming option?

Punch nazis, sure. But if someone is ashamed and has stopped ascribing to that mentality, we should give them a chance.

[Super Aggro Crag]

You can point to any idea and find a fucking idiot somewhere in there. Saying everyone who leans right js a nazi because of some literally who is the exact same thing as saying everyone who votes democrat is a rapist because Harvey Weinstein was a Clinton backer. All that is accomplished by using the word nazi liberally is to make people think "maybe nazis aint that bad" cuz you applied it to every milquetoast dipshit with bad ideas and then you get oberfuhrer fartdick in ss13 making EIN VOLK EIN SPESS announcements

this is about the “alt-right”, not the “right”, as far as im concerned a majority of right winged people find them distasteful. the alt-right is an entirely separate group of people. and the alt-right was quite literally forged by neo-nazis, hence empressmaia’s statement

The majority of right wing people find the majority of other right wing people distasteful. They're not a monolith. Allowing some delgo to lay claim that he FORGED AND FABRICATED THE VERY CONCEPT OF RIGHT WING DISCOURSE IN THE FIRES OF MOUNT RACISM is fuckin stupid.

if your concept of right wing ideology doesn't distinct alt-right ideology then this sounds like a you problem. i cannot stress my distinction enough

Define it.

[kayozz]

I mean... can you? I guess there's reformed previous racists who got away from the bad influencers and ex-skinheads who left the gangs etc.... But surely a view as extreme as being a Nazi is hard to shake away.

This line of enquiry makes me irrevocably sad. So when someone fucks up, joins the wrong crowd and has the chance to be better, what, we just ignore them and alienate them? Won't that make the same previous crowd, in this case the fucking nazis, seem like the welcoming option?

Punch nazis, sure. But if someone is ashamed and has stopped ascribing to that mentality, we should give them a chance.

I never suggested otherwise. I stated two examples (reformed racists, ex skin-heads) and than asked for examples of genuine Nazis who sought redemption from their past sins. If that makes you sad and makes the Nazis sound welcoming then you have issues that I and nobody here can help. Either that or you have trouble reading? I prefer and hope to think it's the latter.
My point was that a lot of extremists don't seem to be willing or able to shake such views. So finding examples of people who have is a good thing, right?

[conrad]

I mean... can you? I guess there's reformed previous racists who got away from the bad influencers and ex-skinheads who left the gangs etc.... But surely a view as extreme as being a Nazi is hard to shake away.

This line of enquiry makes me irrevocably sad. So when someone fucks up, joins the wrong crowd and has the chance to be better, what, we just ignore them and alienate them? Won't that make the same previous crowd, in this case the fucking nazis, seem like the welcoming option?

Punch nazis, sure. But if someone is ashamed and has stopped ascribing to that mentality, we should give them a chance.

I never suggested otherwise. I stated two examples (reformed racists, ex skin-heads) and than asked for examples of genuine Nazis who sought redemption from their past sins. If that makes you sad and makes the Nazis sound welcoming then you have issues that I and nobody here can help. Either that or you have trouble reading? I prefer and hope to think it's the latter.
My point was that a lot of extremists don't seem to be willing or able to shake such views. So finding examples of people who have is a good thing, right?

Yeah I misread, my bad. I missed the part where you said "not neo-nazis".

Genuine Nazis are almost all dead. Let time do its job.

[kayozz]

No worries, I've been guilty of misreading stuff and jumping to an opinion so it's all good. It's a touchy subject to be honest and I probably shouldn't dwell on in too much.

[Super Aggro Crag]

Yeah everyone should chill out like if someone is being an idiot ban them for being a fucking idiot and say "you can come back when you are no longer an idiot"

[conrad]

Yeah everyone should chill out like if someone is being an idiot ban them for being a fucking idiot and say "you can come back when you are no longer an idiot"

It's my turn to say it.

Crag is right.

[kayozz]

Agreed, sorry for misunderstanding you conrad.

[Super Aggro Crag]

Peace amongst tgstationers

[conrad]

Agreed, sorry for misunderstanding you conrad.

Think nothing of it mate.

[Vekter]

You can point to any idea and find a fucking idiot somewhere in there. Saying everyone who leans right js a nazi because of some literally who is the exact same thing as saying everyone who votes democrat is a rapist because Harvey Weinstein was a Clinton backer. All that is accomplished by using the word nazi liberally is to make people think "maybe nazis aint that bad" cuz you applied it to every milquetoast dipshit with bad ideas and then you get oberfuhrer fartdick in ss13 making EIN VOLK EIN SPESS announcements

That's not what they're saying, they're saying that the person who started the Alt Right movement is a neo-Nazi and the movement itself is built on those same foundations. Not everyone on the right is a Nazi, but anyone who calls themselves Alt-Right has to contend with the fact that their leader is literally a fucking Nazi.

[Super Aggro Crag]

You can point to any idea and find a fucking idiot somewhere in there. Saying everyone who leans right js a nazi because of some literally who is the exact same thing as saying everyone who votes democrat is a rapist because Harvey Weinstein was a Clinton backer. All that is accomplished by using the word nazi liberally is to make people think "maybe nazis aint that bad" cuz you applied it to every milquetoast dipshit with bad ideas and then you get oberfuhrer fartdick in ss13 making EIN VOLK EIN SPESS announcements

That's not what they're saying, they're saying that the person who started the Alt Right movement is a neo-Nazi and the movement itself is built on those same foundations. Not everyone on the right is a Nazi, but anyone who calls themselves Alt-Right has to contend with the fact that their leader is literally a fucking Nazi.

And what I'm saying is that then people point to any "right wing guy who doesn't immediately kowtow to what I say" and say "you sir, are and alt-right and therefore a Nazi". It's a meaningless ad-hom on the level of pointing at anyone who has ever voted democrat and saying "ok groomer"

[TheFinalPotato]

Brother you didn't take issue with people using alt right as a label where it's untaken, you took issue with them using it as a synonym for nazism. That isn't the same argument.
It's an extension but you're denying the base assertion because you don't like the outcome. Doesn't make any sense

[Super Aggro Crag]

Brother you didn't take issue with people using alt right as a label where it's untaken, you took issue with them using it as a synonym for nazism. That isn't the same argument.
It's an extension but you're denying the base assertion because you don't like the outcome. Doesn't make any sense

people been calling me alt right cuz i think taxes are stinky but also don't care about enacting a protestant theocracy and banning rock and roll music and i said "ok whatever" and then they said "SEE UR A NAZI CUZ SOME RETARD YOU NEVER HEARD OF IS THE KING OF THE ALT RIGHT"

politics are fucking gay and everyone but me is a nazi

[iwishforducks]

what

[Super Aggro Crag]

Rock and roll music is cool dude B)

[Bawhoppennn]

by the way they typed I imagine this is an edgy 14-year old, not a hardcore skinhead (then again they aren't known for intelligence either....)
be careful not to waste the meaning of the word nazi on dumbass trolls though, so it still has value when you have to call out the definitely real nazis
good ban, we don't need them either way

[Vekter]

You can point to any idea and find a fucking idiot somewhere in there. Saying everyone who leans right js a nazi because of some literally who is the exact same thing as saying everyone who votes democrat is a rapist because Harvey Weinstein was a Clinton backer. All that is accomplished by using the word nazi liberally is to make people think "maybe nazis aint that bad" cuz you applied it to every milquetoast dipshit with bad ideas and then you get oberfuhrer fartdick in ss13 making EIN VOLK EIN SPESS announcements

That's not what they're saying, they're saying that the person who started the Alt Right movement is a neo-Nazi and the movement itself is built on those same foundations. Not everyone on the right is a Nazi, but anyone who calls themselves Alt-Right has to contend with the fact that their leader is literally a fucking Nazi.

And what I'm saying is that then people point to any "right wing guy who doesn't immediately kowtow to what I say" and say "you sir, are and alt-right and therefore a Nazi". It's a meaningless ad-hom on the level of pointing at anyone who has ever voted democrat and saying "ok groomer"

Can you give an example of what you're talking about as far as "not kowtowing to what I say"?

by the way they typed I imagine this is an edgy 14-year old, not a hardcore skinhead (then again they aren't known for intelligence either....)
be careful not to waste the meaning of the word nazi on dumbass trolls though, so it still has value when you have to call out the definitely real nazis
good ban, we don't need them either way

Nazis are not welcome here. If some idiot kid with a bad sense of humor pretends to be one and I don't call him out on it, the real ones are going to think they can come pretend to be someone with a shitty sense of humor and get away with it. I'm gonna call the kid what he is and make sure anyone else involved in his system of beliefs knows they aren't welcome.

[Bawhoppennn]

Well yeah, I agree we should ban people for imitating/doing Nazi content or behavior in an unashamed way, troll or otherwise (especially since it can be hard to tell often) ... I said it was a good ban in my comment

[Vekter]

Well yeah, I agree we should ban people for imitating/doing Nazi content or behavior in an unashamed way, troll or otherwise (especially since it can be hard to tell often) ... I said it was a good ban in my comment

Nah, I know you agreed, I was just saying that we need to treat people who are being edgy idiots like they're not edgy idiots and actually mean it so the real problem doesn't show up.

[MrStonedOne]

Well yeah, I agree we should ban people for imitating/doing Nazi content or behavior in an unashamed way, troll or otherwise (especially since it can be hard to tell often) ... I said it was a good ban in my comment

Nah, I know you agreed, I was just saying that we need to treat people who are being edgy idiots like they're not edgy idiots and actually mean it so the real problem doesn't show up.

hard disagree

[Capsandi]

If you superimpose the last rule 11 peanut onto this one you will find that theres no difference besides the link in the OP, right down to the posters attributing their entire moral development to taking out student loans.

[Boot]

I to am not a fan of socialists of the national variety or any socialists for that matter.

[kayozz]

I to am not a fan of socialists of the national variety or any socialists for that matter.

Honeytrap bait post.

[Armhulen]

I to am not a fan of socialists of the national variety or any socialists for that matter.

they're always cool small time and then they go national and its just like you lost your spark man

[Vekter]

Well yeah, I agree we should ban people for imitating/doing Nazi content or behavior in an unashamed way, troll or otherwise (especially since it can be hard to tell often) ... I said it was a good ban in my comment

Nah, I know you agreed, I was just saying that we need to treat people who are being edgy idiots like they're not edgy idiots and actually mean it so the real problem doesn't show up.

hard disagree

Well, if we ever end up with a bunch of Nazis running around, I'll make sure to let you know.

[Timonk]

I am a big fan of socialism, shame not more than half of every modern country is a fan even though it's good for them

[Super Aggro Crag]

Well yeah, I agree we should ban people for imitating/doing Nazi content or behavior in an unashamed way, troll or otherwise (especially since it can be hard to tell often) ... I said it was a good ban in my comment

Nah, I know you agreed, I was just saying that we need to treat people who are being edgy idiots like they're not edgy idiots and actually mean it so the real problem doesn't show up.

hard disagree

Well, if we ever end up with a bunch of Nazis running around, I'll make sure to let you know.