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He's jealous because he can't count with us.

he unironically threw the ban appeal so hard omg

Honestly he still has a good chance of getting it overturned, that ban appeal was paradoxically mishandled by last term. Latest post by sinful brings up some good defensive lines. Also,

RaveRadbury wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 4:06 pm The board's been doing just fine without you, despite your prediction otherwise in the last appeal. I do not think that you being back in there will benefit the community.

Haha the board is overrun by single character counting posts and I'm the only terminal forum poster who hasn't been warned for it this place is condemned with or without sinfulpiss.
I implore the current term to handle this appeal quickly and as quietly as possible, letting rave continue to dig himself a hole will do nobody any good.

forgetting how i personally feel about sinfulbliss, i dont think he is healthy for the players club (atleast from the limited things ive seen for and against)

Capsandi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 6:46 pm I'm the only terminal forum poster who hasn't been warned for it

That's because your gimmick is pretty good and you know where the line is. EDIT: oh wait you're talking about the counting threads. Idk about that, it's arm's campaign. Been meaning to say that I like your gimmick for a minute though, standing by that.

the beatings will continue until morale improves

Armhulen wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 6:27 pm he unironically threw the ban appeal so hard omg

The thing is, all he has to do is be professional enough; hold back the insults and mudslinging from the last thread and appeal, while letting Rave continue to dig a hole that makes him look terrible in front of the community at large.
Rave's doing an excellent job of that, by the way, by angling for 'owns' instead of owning up to his bias and just dismissing his unfair ban entirely.

Capsandi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 6:46 pm

RaveRadbury wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 4:06 pm The board's been doing just fine without you, despite your prediction otherwise in the last appeal. I do not think that you being back in there will benefit the community.

Haha the board is overrun by single character counting posts and I'm the only terminal forum poster who hasn't been warned for it this place is condemned with or without sinfulpiss.
I implore the current term to handle this appeal quickly and as quietly as possible, letting rave continue to dig himself a hole will do nobody any good.

Quite wrong, sir. I'm pretty sure letting Rave dig himself a hole so embarrassing that he never gets considered for headmin election again(or better, deadminned for deliberately placing incredibly biased, shitty bans) benefits the entire community immensely.
@headmins Please let Rave continue digging a hole. I want to see if he reaches China.

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iwishforducks wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:11 pm 1

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couldn't help myself sorry i burst into laughter at the thought of typing 1.

i hated sinful's forum presence. but after talking to sinful on the discord he seems really nice. everyone agreed the ban was dumb when it was first placed, please lift it so if sinful continues being a dolt we actually ban him for a good reason. there was literally nothing wrong with the message that was the "final straw" and i heavily agree with what he said. i don't look to cause drama but shutting discussion down in the name of drama has always been the dumbest shit ever

NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT DO THAT YOU CANT DO THAT

all sinful had to do was go "yeah i understand why my actions could be seen as x, and ill do y to improve on that , my goal isnt to stir drama its to facilitate discussion but i do need better judgement on where to draw the line. x y z" the bag was in his hands and he fumbled

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ can sinful read this board?

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:11 pm 1

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couldn't help myself sorry i burst into laughter at the thought of typing 1.

i hated sinful's forum presence. but after talking to sinful on the discord he seems really nice. everyone agreed the ban was dumb when it was first placed, please lift it so if sinful continues being a dolt we actually ban him for a good reason. there was literally nothing wrong with the message that was the "final straw" and i heavily agree with what he said. i don't look to cause drama but shutting discussion down in the name of drama has always been the dumbest shit ever

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TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:32 pm all sinful had to do was go "yeah i understand why my actions could be seen as x, and ill do y to improve on that , my goal isnt to stir drama its to facilitate discussion but i do need better judgement on where to draw the line. x y z" the bag was in his hands and he fumbled

Thing is, if he did that, Rave would call him a liar in the appeal.
The bag is still in Sinful's hands here. All he has to do is not devolve into humor-slinging like he did in the last appeal and take things seriously. Rave will make himself look like an ass with time, because it's a bullshit ban.

he should say sinfulplease to get unbanned

He should come up with a proper sinfuldiss to get unbanned

datorangebottle wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:18 pm

TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:32 pm all sinful had to do was go "yeah i understand why my actions could be seen as x, and ill do y to improve on that , my goal isnt to stir drama its to facilitate discussion but i do need better judgement on where to draw the line. x y z" the bag was in his hands and he fumbled

Thing is, if he did that, [MASSIVE SPECULATORY ASSUMPTION]

uhhhh no

TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:32 pm all sinful had to do was go "yeah i understand why my actions could be seen as x, and ill do y to improve on that , my goal isnt to stir drama its to facilitate discussion but i do need better judgement on where to draw the line. x y z" the bag was in his hands and he fumbled

The Player's Guide to Powergaming your Ban Appeal

conrad wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:45 pm

TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:32 pm all sinful had to do was go "yeah i understand why my actions could be seen as x, and ill do y to improve on that , my goal isnt to stir drama its to facilitate discussion but i do need better judgement on where to draw the line. x y z" the bag was in his hands and he fumbled

The Player's Guide to Powergaming your Ban Appeal

not enough people read crag's guide on this
it would help them avoid a lot more failed appeals

Armhulen wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:41 pm uhhhh no

I'm going to ask you two questions that are semi-related to each-other:

A) What part of this reads as "I am legitimately sorry and going to apologize for my previous behavior to get past this unwarranted ban."

Sinful wrote:You aren't protecting the Players' Club and you aren't protecting its atmosphere. If you hadn't stepped into that thread, absolutely nothing negative would have resulted from it. Your enforcement there was emotional at best and vindictive at worst, and in the end all it will do is slightly dull the forums and dry up conversation. Truly only someone who built the Club could smother it to death in the way you're doing.

B) What part of this reads as "I am going to be convinced by a post saying 'i'm sorry, please unban me.'"

Rave wrote:Future teams should consider carefully whether they would like to re-introduce this content into the community.

This is not your typical ban where owning up to your failures will get you somewhere. This is one of the few times an awful ban was placed by an awful administrator. This was an attempt by a head administrator(!!) to remove a player they disliked from the player's club with no warnings. He doesn't want to see Sinful improve. If Rave wanted that, he would have warned him first. He doesn't want to see Sinful at all, so he pseudo-blacklisted him from the player's club. It sets an awful precedent, and calls into question every single administrative action Rave has ever made.
The only one who should be apologizing here is Rave.

The best outcome is that Sinfulbliss got way better and gets unbanned and proves that, but the best outcome I dare to hope for is that he just doesn't get unbanned.

Armhulen wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:41 pm uhhhh no

emptyposting in 2023, smh


I still don't see any reason sinful should be apologizing.

Again, this whole kerfuffle will be inconsequential once the hut reopens and I'd rather not pay shills to decide the next admin vote again so lets not use flimsy reasoning to support flimsy bans until your the guy whose gone and made antitank armor using papier mâché which gets rained on and falls apart regardless leading to this dude appealing in a year and everyone remembering how much egg you refuse to scrape off your face to the point that its hardened to somethin looking like that guy's ballistic mask & suit on /diy/ man those threads were something else I think i saw crag using a tripcode in one of those threads but I may be mistaken.

Capsandi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:05 pm Again, this whole kerfuffle will be inconsequential once the hut reopens and I'd rather not pay shills to decide the next admin vote again so lets not use flimsy reasoning to support flimsy bans until your the guy whose gone and made antitank armor using papier mâché which gets rained on and falls apart regardless leading to this dude appealing in a year and everyone remembering how much egg you refuse to scrape off your face to the point that its hardened to somethin looking like that guy's ballistic mask & suit on /diy/ man those threads were something else I think i saw crag using a tripcode in one of those threads but I may be mistaken.

This shit is gold, this is the shit I'm talking about. Please never stop doing this.

datorangebottle wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:18 pm

TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:32 pm all sinful had to do was go "yeah i understand why my actions could be seen as x, and ill do y to improve on that , my goal isnt to stir drama its to facilitate discussion but i do need better judgement on where to draw the line. x y z" the bag was in his hands and he fumbled

Thing is, if he did that, Rave would call him a liar in the appeal.

Let me shoot 1000% straight with you on this. I was concerned about showing my hand on this but I've been assured by people who know Sinful that he's not really the kind of guy to pay lip service and that in his own words he has a hard time making the kind of posts that lolswat is describing. I've seen a handful of people endorse similar appeal strategies and apparently some people are trying to talk him into it directly.

It's really all that I'm looking for. Would I be concerned about sincerity, spelling it out and expecting to hear it echoed back in the next post? Yeah, that seems pretty shitty all around, but I've been assured that Sinful isn't that kind of person. Normally I'd just want to see someone appeal again after some time has passed, as that kind of negates some of the concerns about immediately parroting. Really disappointed btw that Sinful has continued to come in swinging with the same rhetoric and attitude. That's why I put the statement at the end of the ban about letting him back in. If he'd opened with the kind of post that everyone is recommending this would have been done more or less immediately. Now it's a bit more muddled and complicated but as I have been assured by others who know him better I'm still willing to play ball.

kinnebian wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 10:02 pm not enough people read crag's guide on this

I considered linking crag's guide during the original appeal but I was worried that it would come off patronizing, or that I'd be feeding an insincere response. Thankfully I don't have to worry about that now.

Armhulen wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:38 pm ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ can sinful read this board?

He can read threads that he gets links to while logged out of the forums. If he can read the advice of the people in this thread and go for it this'll probably be done and good. The takes in this thread have been spot on and if he does get unbanned...

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:11 pm if sinful continues being a dolt we actually ban him for a good reason.

RaveRadbury wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:38 pm Let me shoot 1000% straight with you on this.

Look, man. I'm just gonna bring it right to you instead of beating around the bush and talking to other people.
I can't trust you anymore. The way you applied this ban made you look like kind of person who will abuse the process to get their way. The "double warning into a ban with no chance to improve followed by a pseudo-blacklist" thing.

These are not the actions of someone who wants someone to change, reform, or grow as a person. These are the actions of someone who just wants someone else gone. Excuse me if I don't buy your "I just want him to change" argument- because if you had wanted that at all, you would have given him the time to do so instead of immediately tossing him in the garbage.

datorangebottle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:38 am Look, man. I'm just gonna bring it right to you instead of beating around the bush and talking to other people.
I can't trust you anymore. The way you applied this ban made you look like kind of person who will abuse the process to get their way. The "double warning into a ban with no chance to improve followed by a pseudo-blacklist" thing.

I appreciate you shooting straight back with me and I'm sorry you don't feel like you can trust me, but I'm not sure I ever saw you trusting me in the first place or receiving benefit from your trust?

The sinful ban was a Rule 1 style QC ban from a place that has higher standards for banning than in-game. If he had made a sane appeal like Timonk did he would have been unbanned. Instead he decided to do what he does and prove my point about why he shouldn't be here. The warnings he received were several and came from the people in the room, just read the threads that were involved in his first appeal. A lot of people said out loud that he was making things worse. Even in this thread here community members are continuing to say that his posting in this board really stunk up the place and that the big issue was the triggering incident, rather than the attitude and post history.

I'm bending over backwards rn to give him a shot to come off sanely, it looks like timber is, too.

We'll really see if I'm lying or not when he makes a proper appeal, the kind that several other community members have endorsed in this thread. I don't hold anything against you for not believing in me rn and saying so. It really is fine to have an opinion and for that opinion to be critical or negative. That's just how it goes.

RaveRadbury wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:44 am I appreciate you shooting straight back with me and I'm sorry you don't feel like you can trust me, but I'm not sure I ever saw you trusting me in the first place or receiving benefit from your trust?

Haha, yes, I get it, I'm insignificant. Thank you. Very droll.

The warnings he received were several and came from the people in the room, just read the threads that were involved in his first appeal. A lot of people said out loud that he was making things worse. Even in this thread here community members are continuing to say that his posting in this board really stunk up the place and that the big issue was the triggering incident, rather than the attitude and post history.

This point sucks for two reasons. Firstly, Sinful is controversial- there are people who support him, too. He clearly has friends. This isn't a decision made by the community, it's a decision made by you to remove him from it. Second, most of the people in the community are not able to offer administrative warnings. People are just people, and can say whatever they will. They're easily disregarded. A warning, delivered as a warning, from an administrative position, is a wakeup call. 'Improve, or punishment will be coming'. You know, like a road sign telling you that the bridge ahead is out. If you're not given one of those, you're liable to try and cross it.

I'm bending over backwards rn to give him a shot to come off sanely, it looks like timber is, too.

He comes off pretty sanely to me. He sounds like someone who's annoyed that he had to wait several months to get the second chance he was supposed to have had originally. If you would put as much effort into politely getting Sinfulbliss to understand your position instead of reserving that for the peanut thread, maybe he'd be less hostile in the actual appeal process and you two could work something out. But you seem pretty dedicated to your strategy of swinging for gotchas and appearing smug.

Honestly, I just think Timber is more annoyed that he didn't respect the process than on your side. You might know him better, but he hasn't actually stated an opinion yet, don't twist it.

Why wont sinful just make an actual appeal?(motorboat my asscheeks while i shit in his face) L bozo ig

datorangebottle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:10 am
Honestly, I just think Timber is more annoyed that he didn't respect the process than on your side. You might know him better, but he hasn't actually stated an opinion yet, don't twist it.

The other shoe is gonna drop and timber will rip off his mask to reveal that he's been a timbrewolf alt this whole time, then rave will remove his mask to reveal that he's been nevere and sinful will tear off his mask to reveal that he's been deedubya. Then I'll tear off my mask to reveal that I've been an alt of

datorangebottle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:10 am

RaveRadbury wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:44 am I appreciate you shooting straight back with me and I'm sorry you don't feel like you can trust me, but I'm not sure I ever saw you trusting me in the first place or receiving benefit from your trust?

Haha, yes, I get it, I'm insignificant. Thank you. Very droll.

No man, like, genuinely all I know of you is your negative opinions of me.

RaveRadbury wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:26 am No man, like, genuinely all I know of you is your negative opinions of me.

It's not all of who I am, but it's a lot of what I've shown around the forums recently(because of the election). I've been around for a while, we just haven't interacted much outside of this thread.

I was justified in burning them because i screamed nightmare while they slept and they said nothing for they were asleep but in their waking hours they did nothing but berate me. Also I'm testing a highly devastating forum weapon in a different thread. Orange has reasonable takes except for the wishy washy trust bs this isn't downton abbey this is TG station forums just call him incompetent in administration.
Also testing a lurker extraction tech in here soon hopefully it will bide time for the appeal to progress

RaveRadbury wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:23 pm

Capsandi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:05 pm unintelligible

This shit is gold, this is the shit I'm talking about. Please never stop doing this.

I speak like this irl too the doctors say its my inflection but i wont kill their pill friends. I should probably stream ss13 while complaining about unreasonable capital lending etiquette but im afraid i may be too good and get indited in a career suicide situation like twitch.tv/northernlion

Important perspective check:

I can get why Sinful's a little pissed off and came out swinging with attacks instead of with a defense. Because the last time he tried to defend himself he got told that nothing he said mattered because a headmin was too biased against him to make an objective decision.

If any admin sincerely came into an appeal and took that approach during any of my terms, I'd have them strung up in a conduct discussion faster than they could process regret over their utter incapability at performing their role.

For better or worse, the last appeal made this ban harder for someone like me to uphold. Even if it later transforms into an objectively justified ban, the procedural impropriety evident in that first appeal offends my own sense of justice and fairness. If a headmin waded into my appeal upholding my decision while LARPing as the King of Bias, I would have overturned my own ban there and then without a second thought.

He deserves to be unbanned.

I guess he needs to work on that sinfulrizz to get unbanned

I agree with everyone else. The ban was woefully fucking fumbled and if he is a toxic shitter who we'd be better off without, he'll do things that warrant his removal with proper procedure.

He should snifs really huh, cough, just bribe Rave with all that cash he hid with the Sinfulswiss to get unbanned.

If someone is certain a shitter is a shitter they should ban him without worry. What a total dweeb.

I forgot to make this back when he got banned. Again.

Maybe at the end of the day face starts to look pale all he needs to do, huh vomits blood, is blow Rave a Sinfulkiss to get unbanned.

conrad wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:45 am Maybe at the end of the day face starts to look pale all he needs to do, huh vomits blood, is blow Rave a Sinfulkiss to get unbanned.

are you okay?

kawoppi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:49 pm

conrad wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:45 am Maybe at the end of the day face starts to look pale all he needs to do, huh vomits blood, is blow Rave a Sinfulkiss to get unbanned.

are you okay?

I have chosen to meddle with forces I couldn't comprehend. There is no way back now. I asked for Sinfulthis collapses

conrad wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:52 pm

kawoppi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:49 pm

conrad wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:45 am Maybe at the end of the day face starts to look pale all he needs to do, huh vomits blood, is blow Rave a Sinfulkiss to get unbanned.

are you okay?

I have chosen to meddle with forces I couldn't comprehend. There is no way back now. I asked for Sinfulthis collapses

conrad was sinfulcursed...

kinnebian wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:50 pm

conrad wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:52 pm I have chosen to meddle with forces I couldn't comprehend. There is no way back now. I asked for Sinfulthis collapses

conrad was sinfulcursed...

he's got the sinfuldisease

I understand if we have our problems, but we shouldnt use this peanut thread to sinfuldiss

sinfuldeez sinfulnutz

TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:27 pm I understand if we have our problems, but we shouldnt use this peanut thread to sinfuldiss

What have you done
Conrad's flesh sloughs from his bones
What have you done
A cloud of flies gathers
You are now a sinfulsis

Op is dead at the wheel(murdered by arm), where could this thread be going? check out this /TG/ station forums inspired piece composed by urs truly;
https://voca.ro/12hkwRKXKSF8

Its in part a reflection of how we felt despair at the destruction of the hut which transitions to a sort of fanfare which represents the possibility of its reintroduction with that counting thread.

you made that? why don't we make that space ambience

idk does that fit as space ambience?

you have a better idea?

So this is the famed sinfulbliss that Kendrickorium compared me to... interesting.

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:41 am Even if it later transforms into an objectively justified ban, the procedural impropriety evident in that first appeal offends my own sense of justice and fairness. If a headmin waded into my appeal upholding my decision while LARPing as the King of Bias, I would have overturned my own ban there and then without a second thought.

Unfathomably based and mistrial-pilled.

TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 8:32 pm all sinful had to do was go "yeah i understand why my actions could be seen as x, and ill do y to improve on that , my goal isnt to stir drama its to facilitate discussion but i do need better judgement on where to draw the line. x y z" the bag was in his hands and he fumbled

Apologising when you actually believe you did something wrong is fine, maybe even good.
Apologising just because someone else thinks you did something wrong is cowardly and not righteous.
Sinfulbliss believes he was incorrectly banned and is standing up for himself. He did good. Never make undeserved concessions. Give an inch and they'll take a mile.
Whether his belief is correct or not is another matter that chadmin Timberpoes will soon unravel for us.

RaveRadbury wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:38 pm Let me shoot 1000% straight with you on this. I was concerned about showing my hand on this but I've been assured by people who know Sinful that he's not really the kind of guy to pay lip service and that in his own words he has a hard time making the kind of posts that lolswat is describing. I've seen a handful of people endorse similar appeal strategies and apparently some people are trying to talk him into it directly.

Did I just misinterpret this or is he actually saying he wants sinfulbliss to lie to him, that he wants "lip service" over actual intent? Holy crap, he is more concerned with appearances than actions.

Capsandi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:25 am Why wont sinful just make an actual appeal?

This is an actual appeal. "I was unfairly banned and denied due process". Not all appeals are insincere apologies, see above.