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awful, learn to be funny pleaseiwishforducks wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:53 pm all of these are shit. i present to you:
HoPs that can't stop injecting themselves with holding access support group peanut
Don't worry Timber, I'm not sure he fully reads or comprehends what anyone writes.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:51 pm But you didn't make a habit of reading what I wrote before, so I doubt you'll make an exception of reading your ban reason now.
Reading timbers' roasts is half the reason I voted him for headmin and he does not disappointTimberpoes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:51 pm But you didn't make a habit of reading what I wrote before, so I doubt you'll make an exception of reading your ban reason now.
I would probably start with pointing out that simply adding access has never before qualified as evading a sec job ban, any more than adding medbay access would qualify as evading a medical job ban. Especially when there are multiple perfectly good reason to have sec access as a head.Timberpoes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:51 pm I'd advise you to focus on the repeated shifts you're moonlighting as security over the past week or immediately adding sec accesses to your IDs within minutes of the shift starting.
But you didn't make a habit of reading what I wrote before, so I doubt you'll make an exception of reading your ban reason now.
You literally added Holding Cells and Armoury to your access as soon as you join the round. This is already suspect and one of the most common ways to evade a jobban - asking the HoP to give you access to the very jobs you're banned from. You just cut out the middleman and did it yourself.Zybwivcz wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 2:29 am I would probably start with pointing out that simply adding access has never before qualified as evading a sec job ban, any more than adding medbay access would qualify as evading a medical job ban. Especially when there are multiple perfectly good reason to have sec access as a head.
See, this is helpful. 'Ever using the gulag at any point for any reason violates a sec job ban' is clear, in the same way 'Ever fixing the SM at any point for any reason violates an engineering job ban' or 'Ever using a defib at any point for any reason violates a medbay job ban' is clear. They're still interpretations at odds with how job ban evasion has been treated in the past, and they're clearly nonsensical ones to apply to the captain role, but it has the virtue of being explicit.
Yes. Because that is the basic access needed to get a HUD and headset and thus equip yourself at the level of half the assistants on the station. Or to actually find the last surviving sec officer to try to get him to do something, or to get into an area that is slightly tougher to instantly break into than the rest of the station, or to have easy access to rechargers for the e-gun the HoP spawns with, or for a dozen other reasons that aren't evading a sec job ban in the very same way taking pharmacy access would violate a medbay job ban or engineering access an engineering job ban.
I think is generally considered good form to ban someone not because you read their mind but because of concrete actions they actually took.You clearly wanted to be able to gulag people yourself, without bothering to hand over criminals to actual security.
Using the hopline to evade jobbans has always been against the rules, just like evading jobbans without using the hopline has always been against the rules. Because evading jobbans is against the rules, using the hopline is not.blackdav123 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:02 am using the hopline to evade jobbans has always been against the rules
Zybwivcz wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:14 amSee, this is helpful. 'Ever using the gulag at any point for any reason violates a sec job ban' is clear, in the same way 'Ever fixing the SM at any point for any reason violates an engineering job ban' or 'Ever using a defib at any point for any reason violates a medbay job ban' is clear. They're still interpretations at odds with how job ban evasion has been treated in the past, and they're clearly nonsensical ones to apply to the captain role, but it has the virtue of being explicit.
Yes. Because that is the basic access needed to get a HUD and headset and thus equip yourself at the level of half the assistants on the station. Or to actually find the last surviving sec officer to try to get him to do something, or to get into an area that is slightly tougher to instantly break into than the rest of the station, or to have easy access to rechargers for the e-gun the HoP spawns with, or for a dozen other reasons that aren't evading a sec job ban in the very same way taking pharmacy access would violate a medbay job ban or engineering access an engineering job ban.
I think is generally considered good form to ban someone not because you read their mind but because of concrete actions they actually took.You clearly wanted to be able to gulag people yourself, without bothering to hand over criminals to actual security.
Using the hopline to evade jobbans has always been against the rules, just like evading jobbans without using the hopline has always been against the rules. Because evading jobbans is against the rules, using the hopline is not.blackdav123 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:02 am using the hopline to evade jobbans has always been against the rules
Thanks for the gold kind stranger!
you are adding sec access to your ID in multiple shifts despite a security ban. If you were banned from med and used the hop job to circumvent it the same way you did with this the result wouldnt change, so i dont see your point. HOP also spawns with enough sec access and its not hard to just ask for a hud and a headset. You also dont need armory access to… find the last sec officer? (i still dont know what you mean by this, do sec officers usually frequent the armory? do you not have a pda or a headset?).Zybwivcz wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:14 am
Yes. Because that is the basic access needed to get a HUD and headset and thus equip yourself at the level of half the assistants on the station. Or to actually find the last surviving sec officer to try to get him to do something, or to get into an area that is slightly tougher to instantly break into than the rest of the station, or to have easy access to rechargers for the e-gun the HoP spawns with, or for a dozen other reasons that aren't evading a sec job ban in the very same way taking pharmacy access would violate a medbay job ban or engineering access an engineering job ban.
Zyb has a history of doing this.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:44 am It seems like you are pulling reasons of varying validity out of your ass to justify being hopcurity despite having a secban.
"Keep getting" as in not a single ban or note for anything resembling hopcurity despite an obscene number of rounds as HoP over a year, until Timberpoes miraculously discovers them by glancing at some logs at the very moment I piss him off in a forum thread?TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 6:17 am Maybe the reason you keep getting in these situations is that you are so concerned with getting gear, powergaming is one hell of a drug kids
I'm adding sec access to my ID in multiple shifts because it's incredibly useful even if you don't have any intention of acting as SEC which is why a third of the server seems to wind up with a bowman and SEC huds.TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:44 am you are adding sec access to your ID in multiple shifts despite a security ban.
If you were jobbanned from medbay jobs and gave yourself access to be able to grab medicine from the pharmacy nobody would consider that circumventing a medbay jobban because you're obviously not taking a job in medbay. Even if you wind up using an epi pen you got from the pharmacy on someone in the hall later on.If you were banned from med and used the hop job to circumvent it the same way you did with this the result wouldnt change, so i dont see your point.
I do ask for HUDs when there's a warden or HoS present who's actually engaged, which is not often. Security access without holding cells gives only access to the very front of the brig, the other rooms that compromise 2/3rds of the department need added access.HOP also spawns with enough sec access and its not hard to just ask for a hud and a headset. You also dont need armory access to… find the last sec officer? (i still dont know what you mean by this, do sec officers usually frequent the armory? do you not have a pda or a headset?).
Do you want me to explain at length the ways the bridge is about the least safe place to be during cult or revs or even for avoiding murderboners? Or that it's useful to have access to multiple chargers across the station?HOP also has the bridge so your points about rechargers and having a safe place are null. It seems like you are pulling reasons of varying validity out of your ass to justify being hopcurity despite having a secban.
So first off you don't need Sechuds to be a Head of personnel, you want them because the moment you see the red w you want to be able to chase them down. However that isn't even the biggest question I got here, why are you implant tracking yourself most rounds?Zybwivcz wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:21 am I do ask for HUDs when there's a warden or HoS present who's actually engaged, which is not often. Security access without holding cells gives only access to the very front of the brig, the other rooms that compromise 2/3rds of the department need added access.
Armory access is for HUDs if the locker ones are gone, and for tracker implants which I tend to use on myself most rounds.
There is an entire game mode where having or not having a sec hud as a head is the difference between winding up a headless corpse in maint and not. Or being able to report on sec comms when someone wanted shows up, although I'm not sure if we're still with "HoPcurity is when the HoP reports sec issues to sec to handle" or "HoPcurity is when the HoP doesn't just report sec issues to sec to handle". SEChuds are universally useful for anyone who doesn't need to wear health or engi HUDs regardless if they have any desire whatsoever to play 'as sec', you know this.
Mostly because it means there's always a beacon on the shuttle, and because in theory it makes it possible for someone to recover my corpse when the tracker is stripped and stuck in a locker deep in maint(this generally has a poor success rate but there's always hope)However that isn't even the biggest question I got here, why are you implant tracking yourself most rounds?
I could provide exhaustive logs showing me doing this but since I get the feeling somehow the definition of what's considered 'hopcurity' would shift instantly, it would have no purpose other than to bore people.sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 4:50 am things that you SHOULD do as a HoP who is secbanned:
change accesses, manage your department (service), ensure job roles are filled, manage the slots
You want me to write a whole primer on why it makes sense to be able to see the arrest status and sec record of someone who shows up at the HoP desk demanding access to chem or toxins or atmos or engineering or a dozen other places, or did that long rhetorical question do it?Striders13 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:11 am why would you even care about who's wanted or not when you're playing hop. It's not your job to care, give people access, it's not gonna be the end of the world if one of them turns out to have been set to arrest.
I could give less of shit about your notes, I am going off you saying ”I go for sechuds and security bowmans every round” that is objectivly going for gearZybwivcz wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:21 am"Keep getting" as in not a single ban or note for anything resembling hopcurity despite an obscene number of rounds as HoP over a year, until Timberpoes miraculously discovers them by glancing at some logs at the very moment I piss him off in a forum thread?TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 6:17 am Maybe the reason you keep getting in these situations is that you are so concerned with getting gear, powergaming is one hell of a drug kids
imagine if you didnt fucking care, and gave people whatever access they wanted, thus enabling CRAZY WACKY SITUATIONS?????? SCENARIOS???? ANTAGS DOING THINGS??? ASSISTANTS DOING GIMMICKS???????????Zybwivcz wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:32 amYou want me to write a whole primer on why it makes sense to be able to see the arrest status and sec record of someone who shows up at the HoP desk demanding access to chem or toxins or atmos or engineering or a dozen other places, or did that long rhetorical question do it?Striders13 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:11 am why would you even care about who's wanted or not when you're playing hop. It's not your job to care, give people access, it's not gonna be the end of the world if one of them turns out to have been set to arrest.
How about not trying to optimize your gameplay in a way that eliminates all fun and risk in exchange for your own personal enjoyment, and playing the game in an interesting way that creates stories for others?Zybwivcz wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:32 amYou want me to write a whole primer on why it makes sense to be able to see the arrest status and sec record of someone who shows up at the HoP desk demanding access to chem or toxins or atmos or engineering or a dozen other places, or did that long rhetorical question do it?Striders13 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:11 am why would you even care about who's wanted or not when you're playing hop. It's not your job to care, give people access, it's not gonna be the end of the world if one of them turns out to have been set to arrest.
This is just powergaming, you are basing something of x antag rolling. This type of play is really unfun, its like stealing the chaps nullrod because there is a gamemode were its the difference between life and death.
STOP QUOTING YOUR POSTSsinfulbliss wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:03 pmHow about not trying to optimize your gameplay in a way that eliminates all fun and risk in exchange for your own personal enjoyment, and playing the game in an interesting way that creates stories for others?Zybwivcz wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:32 amYou want me to write a whole primer on why it makes sense to be able to see the arrest status and sec record of someone who shows up at the HoP desk demanding access to chem or toxins or atmos or engineering or a dozen other places, or did that long rhetorical question do it?Striders13 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:11 am why would you even care about who's wanted or not when you're playing hop. It's not your job to care, give people access, it's not gonna be the end of the world if one of them turns out to have been set to arrest.
With permabanned regards,
-SinfulBliss
I'm waiting for Zyb's appeal, given that this thread's already full of a bunch of stuff.
That's different. Sec huds exist in dozens, taking one doesn't harm anyone, but the null rod is unique.TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:13 pmThis is just powergaming, you are basing something of x antag rolling. This type of play is really unfun, its like stealing the chaps nullrod because there is a gamemode were its the difference between life and death.