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What are the most controversial beliefs in coding, policy, and gameplay styles.
I'm not looking for something that the vast majority of people think is bad, but it gets brought up often enough to get people's panties in a twist.
We are looking for truly the most decisive beliefs and topics.

stun combat? new maps also usually get the community a bit up in arms

Post-revs, and in particular there's this attitude of antag rounds being sacred. Eg. "my antag round was ruined because an admin spawned 3 blobs". In my experience, players think antag rounds are special and admins think theyre cheap.

Speaking of antags being cheap, the ability for admins giving out antag tokens

The absolute unbridled entitlement of some people. It's a free game run by volunteers, developed for free open source. You have no rights, you have privileges.

conrad wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:54 pm The absolute unbridled entitlement of some people. It's a free game run by volunteers, developed for free open source. You have no rights, you have privileges.

WHO WATCHES THE WATCHER

WineAllWine wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:50 pm Post-revs, and in particular there's this attitude of antag rounds being sacred. Eg. "my antag round was ruined because an admin spawned 3 blobs". In my experience, players think antag rounds are special and admins think theyre cheap.

Speaking of antags being cheap, the ability for admins giving out antag tokens

We do need to make antags cheaper, it causes people to play more aggressive but also would make people less toxic when they do get owned. I think plays getting a monthly tot/heretic token allowance of 1 token isn't a bad idea just so you can have some control

Shellton(Mario) wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 6:46 pm

WineAllWine wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:50 pm Post-revs, and in particular there's this attitude of antag rounds being sacred. Eg. "my antag round was ruined because an admin spawned 3 blobs". In my experience, players think antag rounds are special and admins think theyre cheap.

Speaking of antags being cheap, the ability for admins giving out antag tokens

We do need to make antags cheaper, it causes people to play more aggressive but also would make people less toxic when they do get owned

Congrats on proving my point that it's controversial

Any new map, tragic how much flak every new map gets tbh

I don't know why it bothered me so much but I remember getting really annoyed while reading some policy threads because people kept arguing in circles about what LRP and MRP is. It doesn't even matter in terms of the policy because we just have servers with and without the roleplay ruleset. Who cares if terry/manuel/sybil/the codebase is LRP/MRP/HRP or whatever the fuck.

conrad wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:54 pm The absolute unbridled entitlement of some people. It's a free game run by volunteers, developed for free open source. You have no rights, you have privileges.

Feel free to stop doing it for free anytime jannie.

You gotta love throwing a generic, metaphorical problem and seeing people take the blame on their own lmfao

The removal of nanites has been awful for the game overall. That’s my hot take

The two most controversial things are felinids and silicon policy.
The only correct take on either topic is the opposite of whatever the person you're talking to thinks.

WineAllWine wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:50 pmIn my experience, players think antag rounds are special and admins think theyre cheap.

Well, duh. From an admin's point of view, there are antags every round. From the player's point of view, he rolls antag once a full moon.

Jackraxxus wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 8:13 pm The two most controversial things are felinids and silicon policy.
The only correct take on either topic is the opposite of whatever the person you're talking to thinks.

Ding ding!
We have a winner.
Your reward is this silly banana gun

players believing their opinion matters or is relevant to the game development process

^ that's bait don't even quote reply it

it's a simple fact of reality, there is no democracy in the development process.

That there should really be a codified space law system that's actually used. As it currently stands, the space law wiki page is 100% pointless and essentially a noob trap for new sec officers to get boinked because they perma'd a guy for running around with a backpack full of syndie shit and killing someone, instead of giving him a whole two minutes of jail. (of which the person has a 30% chance of ghosting out of spite anyways)

fastmos

disliking tram is a skill issue

Capsandi wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:36 amfastmos

What the fuck do people even mean by this. Anything that actually moves gas is fastmos: monstermos, auxmos, katmos, ZAS, FEA, fuckin nu-LINDA.
We have names man just use em. Least that way I can understand what's being said (even if half of em are named after their developers curse you monster)

progtot

virology.
you either love it or hate it.
inb4 sinfulbliss walks in here just to call it 'mid' and make me look bad.

Sex?


With obvious regards
-BONERMASTER

Creating MRP servers was a mistake. We should have just ever so slightly raised the mandated level of RP on tg servers across the board.

kawoppi wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 7:28 pm I don't know why it bothered me so much but I remember getting really annoyed while reading some policy threads because people kept arguing in circles about what LRP and MRP is. It doesn't even matter in terms of the policy because we just have servers with and without the roleplay ruleset. Who cares if terry/manuel/sybil/the codebase is LRP/MRP/HRP or whatever the fuck.

I'm glad that this mindset has been dissipating not just for TG, but across SS13 as a whole. Its far less prevalent and toxic compared to how it was. A lot of servers had an epiphany that its all meaningless unless outright defined.

talking to people

how much, how often, "do I have to", "do I have to be believable", etc.
this is a roleplaying game, it says so on the rules page, and there's always going to be new people to talk to so that you don't have to wait on code updates for some sort of new experience
but the "me click man til horizontal unga valid" mindset is strong for some people

Rule 11

mindstormy wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:34 pm Creating MRP servers was a mistake. We should have just ever so slightly raised the mandated level of RP on tg servers across the board.

manuel is high rp

tg sybil basil and terry are medium rp

Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 5:10 pm talking to people

how much, how often, "do I have to", "do I have to be believable", etc.
this is a roleplaying game, it says so on the rules page, and there's always going to be new people to talk to so that you don't have to wait on code updates for some sort of new experience
but the "me click man til horizontal unga valid" mindset is strong for some people

On a related note, people who expect others to read their minds about what they want, when they themselves don't communicate it. It's the difference between pointing at a pen and expecting it to be handed to you versus asking for the pen.

oranges wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 8:39 pm

mindstormy wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:34 pm Creating MRP servers was a mistake. We should have just ever so slightly raised the mandated level of RP on tg servers across the board.

manuel is high rp

tg sybil basil and terry are medium rp

You just like to say things. That doesn't mean anything.

massa wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 6:42 pm

conrad wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:54 pm The absolute unbridled entitlement of some people. It's a free game run by volunteers, developed for free open source. You have no rights, you have privileges.

WHO WATCHES THE WATCHER

WE WATCH EACH OTHER

Itseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:38 pm

oranges wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 8:39 pm

mindstormy wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:34 pm Creating MRP servers was a mistake. We should have just ever so slightly raised the mandated level of RP on tg servers across the board.

manuel is high rp

tg sybil basil and terry are medium rp

You just like to say things. That doesn't mean anything.

it's pretty clear what it means if you look at the rules for those servers, which as an admin you should probably know.

oranges wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 9:54 pm

mindstormy wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:34 pm You just like to say things. That doesn't mean anything.

it's pretty clear what it means if you look at the rules for those servers, which as an admin you should probably know.

You have to forgive Orange since its been about a year since he's actually played on TG. Really glad our inclusive forum allows you into the players club.

Itseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:36 pm What are the most controversial beliefs in coding, policy, and gameplay styles.
I'm not looking for something that the vast majority of people think is bad, but it gets brought up often enough to get people's panties in a twist.
We are looking for truly the most decisive beliefs and topics.

I know this one!

Is it security meta protections..?

Oh oh! Is it uh... The meta gangs?

Is the Daily Double somewhere in the escalation category?


This gives me an idea...

TheFinalPotato wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 7:01 am

Capsandi wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:36 amfastmos

What the fuck do people even mean by this. Anything that actually moves gas is fastmos: monstermos, auxmos, katmos, ZAS, FEA, fuckin nu-LINDA.
We have names man just use em. Least that way I can understand what's being said (even if half of em are named after their developers curse you monster)

gas move fast hurt brain make sad like try hold morning dew with hand except hand is station and dew slides through airlock fingers. Me think viscous gas make fires more cinematic, make cabin pressure more manageable in turn allow make breach ignorance more punishing. Less cold gas escape breach mean breach fire return to acute disaster environments not dilute semitruck danger. Holofan = crutch, speaks to intrinsic frustration managing gas current state. 3 year of fast gas still NO cure for firelock frustration? No complaints me hear when gas used to move 1 tile at time at run speed. Idk how gas moves what -mos is in these days. I stop gas development when honorless single tanker use my son nytril decomp reaction to war crime lead his execution by un crime no humanity. Me out mic down

i hate coldmos but i don’t know if that’s controversial

I am sick to bastard death of people screaming about how much they hate (insert new map here).

Please at least try to give good criticism instead of just IT SUCKS FUCK YOU.

oranges really desperate for attention in this thread eh

so proud of most everyone to not take the bait

i like the new maps, but would still rather play on box/meta/delta

love northstars brig, absolute peak comfy

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 3:49 am i like the new maps, but would still rather play on box/meta/delta

love northstars brig, absolute peak comfy

I haven't seen a part of Northstar I didn't like other than the maints.

It's okay for some shifts to be low threat as long as the crew makes it interesting. This idea of "every round needs to have 80% of the crew dead, 60% of the station destroyed as the survivors fend off xenos and nukies and spiders from the evac shuttle" I sometimes see when dynamic is brought up is stupid. The best way to ruin something is by having it over and over.

also, make goof head coder who can merge any and all code changes for one week; let's see how fucked the server can get.

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 3:49 am i like the new maps, but would still rather play on box/meta/delta

love northstars brig, absolute peak comfy

It feels like every new map is absolutely determined to be the opposite of meta to the point that they 180 on good metastation designs. (kinda felt this with birdbox to an extent.)

Like, please just have the kitchen and the bar next to each other. Stop putting them across the station from eachother, stop putting them on different z-levels, just put them together for pete's sake. I almost want to make a study to see if people visit the bar more when it's next to the kitchen.

Vekter wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 4:38 am

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 3:49 am i like the new maps, but would still rather play on box/meta/delta

love northstars brig, absolute peak comfy

I haven't seen a part of Northstar I didn't like other than the maints.

i actually LOVE THE MAINTS.

it feels like a fucking horror movies dark alleyway, it actually FEELS SCARY to walk through it

go ahead and scream for help.. no one will find you.

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 4:59 am

Vekter wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 4:38 am

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 3:49 am i like the new maps, but would still rather play on box/meta/delta

love northstars brig, absolute peak comfy

I haven't seen a part of Northstar I didn't like other than the maints.

i actually LOVE THE MAINTS.

it feels like a fucking horror movies dark alleyway, it actually FEELS SCARY to walk through it

go ahead and scream for help.. no one will find you.

it is also very colorful, you move from purple to red shifts and dark tunnels, half the maints are half finished, there are some really interesting ways to move through maints on the ship.

ships good. one day we're going to really enjoy 3d ss13 in vr everyone.

massa wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:31 am half the maints are half finished

IM WORKING ON IT

Striders13 wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:53 am

massa wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:31 am half the maints are half finished

IM WORKING ON IT

YOU LOADED EM UP THERE YOU UNLOAD EM

Striders13 wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:53 am

massa wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:31 am half the maints are half finished

IM WORKING ON IT

NO LIKE THEY'RE INTENTIONALLY HALF FINISHED WITH INTERESTING BREAKPOINTS IN THE FLOOR AND STUFF, ROOMS IN PROGRESS LIKE A REAL VESSEL