Lasers to be buffed in effort to attract new security hires, the nut

TheLoLSwat · Post by **TheLoLSwat** » Wed May 10, 2023 7:59 pm #684952

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/75329

we're back, security sisters

EmpressMaia · Post by **EmpressMaia** » Wed May 10, 2023 8:00 pm #684953

im divided on this channge. on one hand; nice! sec has a more efficient means of neutralizing antags that are using everyhing in their power, as the baton and disabler can only get you so far. but also i forsee alot more laser crate orders from assistants

Post by **Cobby** » Wed May 10, 2023 8:41 pm #684961

the lasering will continue until ballistics r antiquated.

RedBaronFlyer · Wed May 10, 2023 9:11 pm

EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 8:00 pm im divided on this channge. on one hand; nice! sec has a more efficient means of neutralizing antags that are using everyhing in their power, as the baton and disabler can only get you so far. but also i forsee alot more laser crate orders from assistants

As a cargo tech main, my go to for any crisis is shipping in 20 laser crates.

Ak47s Laserguns for EVERYONE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZQdaEF ... Zlcnlib2R5

Indie-ana Jones · Wed May 10, 2023 9:18 pm

Is this change intentionally made in conjunction with the stun damage PR? It seems like this change was done to specifically push lasers over the 25 damage threshold, meaning every laser shot removes all stun damage, assuming you don't have any armor.

Post by **WineAllWine** » Wed May 10, 2023 9:39 pm #684996

4/10 peanut title

Wed May 10, 2023 10:09 pm

Damnit, now I have to buff thermals, woe is me. (They're due for a bit of a touch up anyway)

toemas · Post by **toemas** » Wed May 10, 2023 10:53 pm #685018

really exciting and ground-breaking game development guys.

Post by **Vekter** » Wed May 10, 2023 10:56 pm #685020

Sure, why not? I'm okay with stuff that's experimental as long as we're clear about it being an experiment.

massa · Post by **massa** » Wed May 10, 2023 11:05 pm #685023

I would enjoy being able to employ both ranged and ballistic options.

Both are very cool and enjoyable.

toemas · Post by **toemas** » Wed May 10, 2023 11:25 pm #685026

We have plenty of unique content that is woefully under-powered and ineffective like modsuits and thermal pistols, and security still just uses laser-guns and stun batons. Why make them stronger?

RedBaronFlyer · Thu May 11, 2023 2:57 am

toemas wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 11:25 pm We have plenty of unique content that is woefully under-powered and ineffective like modsuits and thermal pistols, and security still just uses laser-guns and stun batons. Why make them stronger?

Do people normally run around with modsuits and thermal pistols as opposed to laser guns, or is this just something I'm too MRP to understand?

vect0r · Post by **vect0r** » Thu May 11, 2023 3:31 am #685055

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 2:57 am
toemas wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 11:25 pm We have plenty of unique content that is woefully under-powered and ineffective like modsuits and thermal pistols, and security still just uses laser-guns and stun batons. Why make them stronger?
Do people normally run around with modsuits and thermal pistols as opposed to laser guns, or is this just something I'm too MRP to understand?

N... no? They are saying that modsuit and thermal pistols are more unqiue, but sec runs around with lasers and stun batons.

conrad · Post by **conrad** » Thu May 11, 2023 10:14 am #685075

Pew pew gun go BRRRRRR

Kendrickorium · Fri May 12, 2023 12:37 am

decent thread title, 6/10

Bawhoppennn · Fri May 12, 2023 12:52 am

I'm gonna have to give it a 5/10- you started doing a classic newspaper headline format, but then fucked it for some reason by doing "[COMMA] the nut"
So close to an 8/10 or higher

Post by **oranges** » Fri May 12, 2023 1:28 am #685210

toemas wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 11:25 pm We have plenty of unique content that is woefully under-powered and ineffective like modsuits and thermal pistols, and security still just uses laser-guns and stun batons. Why make them stronger?

bro will find really any reason to complain about a change

conrad · Post by **conrad** » Fri May 12, 2023 2:28 am #685223

toemas wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 11:25 pm We have plenty of unique content that is woefully under-powered and ineffective like modsuits and thermal pistols, and security still just uses laser-guns and stun batons. Why make them stronger?

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Laser Gun" bullshit that's going on in the tg station server right now. Thermal pistols deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine thermal pistol in Cargonia for 2.000 credits (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid assistant with my thermal pistol.
Cargonian techies spend years working on a thermal pistols box and emitter it up to a million times to produce the finest guns known to mankind.

Thermal pistols are thrice as hot as laser guns and thrice as cold for that matter too. Anything a laser gun can cut through, thermal pistols can cut through better. I'm pretty sure thermal pistols could easily bisect a secoff wearing full riot gear with a simple pair of shots.
Ever wonder why Security never bothered conquering Cargonia? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Quartermasters and their thermal pistols of destruction. Even in World War VI, Nanotrasen soldiers targeted the men with the thermal pistols first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Thermal pistols are simply the best guns that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the tg station server. Here is the stat block I propose for thermal pistols:

/obj/projectile/energy/inferno
name = "molten nanite bullet"
icon_state = "infernoshot"
damage = 60
damage_type = BURN
armor_flag = ENERGY
armour_penetration = 20
reflectable = NONE
wound_bonus = 10
bare_wound_bonus = 10
impact_effect_type = /obj/effect/temp_visual/impact_effect/red_laser

/obj/projectile/energy/cryo
name = "frozen nanite bullet"
icon_state = "cryoshot"
damage = 60
damage_type = BRUTE
armour_penetration = 20
armor_flag = ENERGY
sharpness = SHARP_POINTY //it's a big ol' shard of ice
reflectable = NONE
wound_bonus = 10
bare_wound_bonus = 10

Now that seems a lot more representative of the killing power of Thermal pistols in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Thermal pistols need to do more damage in tg station, see my new stat block.

toemas · Post by **toemas** » Fri May 12, 2023 4:06 am #685236

oranges wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 1:28 am bro will find really any reason to complain about a change

what do you mean "find any reason" its a PR that buffs laserguns and i stated that i think laserguns are overused and asked why they needed to be buffed

MooCow12 · Post by **MooCow12** » Fri May 12, 2023 4:19 am #685238

I`m okay with the pr, countering burn damage is actually a lot easier than countering brute (fiery sweat, slime person, reflectors, etc)

the main issue is the higher wound bonus and damage means people who get hit by stray shots have more reason to turn on their superiors.
(but thats the fun part)

Kendrickorium · Fri May 12, 2023 1:45 pm

conrad wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:28 am
toemas wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 11:25 pm We have plenty of unique content that is woefully under-powered and ineffective like modsuits and thermal pistols, and security still just uses laser-guns and stun batons. Why make them stronger?
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Laser Gun" bullshit that's going on in the tg station server right now. Thermal pistols deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine thermal pistol in Cargonia for 2.000 credits (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid assistant with my thermal pistol.
Cargonian techies spend years working on a thermal pistols box and emitter it up to a million times to produce the finest guns known to mankind.

Thermal pistols are thrice as hot as laser guns and thrice as cold for that matter too. Anything a laser gun can cut through, thermal pistols can cut through better. I'm pretty sure thermal pistols could easily bisect a secoff wearing full riot gear with a simple pair of shots.
Ever wonder why Security never bothered conquering Cargonia? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Quartermasters and their thermal pistols of destruction. Even in World War VI, Nanotrasen soldiers targeted the men with the thermal pistols first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Thermal pistols are simply the best guns that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the tg station server. Here is the stat block I propose for thermal pistols:

/obj/projectile/energy/inferno
name = "molten nanite bullet"
icon_state = "infernoshot"
damage = 60
damage_type = BURN
armor_flag = ENERGY
armour_penetration = 20
reflectable = NONE
wound_bonus = 10
bare_wound_bonus = 10
impact_effect_type = /obj/effect/temp_visual/impact_effect/red_laser

/obj/projectile/energy/cryo
name = "frozen nanite bullet"
icon_state = "cryoshot"
damage = 60
damage_type = BRUTE
armour_penetration = 20
armor_flag = ENERGY
sharpness = SHARP_POINTY //it's a big ol' shard of ice
reflectable = NONE
wound_bonus = 10
bare_wound_bonus = 10

Now that seems a lot more representative of the killing power of Thermal pistols in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Thermal pistols need to do more damage in tg station, see my new stat block.

this

THIS

also, new wounds!

hot - huge gaping/dripping hole
cold- frozen/shattered innards

god these pistols need more love
would be nice if a set started in the armory as well so that i'm reminded this pair of awesome babies exist

CMDR_Gungnir · Fri May 12, 2023 2:16 pm

I want guns to be dangerous.

Post by **Jacquerel** » Fri May 12, 2023 2:46 pm #685304

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 1:45 pm hot - huge gaping/dripping hole

Itseasytosee2me · Fri May 12, 2023 4:26 pm

Jacquerel wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:46 pm
Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 1:45 pm hot - huge gaping/dripping hole

conrad · Post by **conrad** » Fri May 12, 2023 4:57 pm #685325

Itseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 4:26 pm
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:46 pm
Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 1:45 pm hot - huge gaping/dripping hole

Fri May 12, 2023 5:32 pm

conrad wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 4:57 pm
Itseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 4:26 pm
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:46 pm
Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 1:45 pm hot - huge gaping/dripping hole

Post by **Fikou** » Fri May 12, 2023 6:35 pm #685339

Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 5:32 pm
conrad wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 4:57 pm
Itseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 4:26 pm
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:46 pm
Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 1:45 pm hot - huge gaping/dripping hole

Bawhoppennn · Post by **Bawhoppennn** » Sat May 13, 2023 1:47 am #685397

toemas wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 4:06 am i think laserguns are overused

I am not sure if I've ever seen a laser gun used for anything that isn't blob/xeno in 11 years

EmpressMaia · Post by **EmpressMaia** » Sat May 13, 2023 4:47 am #685407

Lasers are secs only useful lethal option. Maybe we should bring some ballistic weapons back

Lacran · Post by **Lacran** » Sat May 13, 2023 5:27 am #685408

I'd really also like sec to have some kind of melee option that isn't stun based just just round start survival knifes in our jackboots.

Could we please also get jaws of life printable from the sec lathe

vect0r · Post by **vect0r** » Sat May 13, 2023 8:12 am #685416

Lacran wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 5:27 am I'd really also like sec to have some kind of melee option that isn't stun based just just round start survival knifes in our jackboots.

Could we please also get jaws of life printable from the sec lathe

What about an energy saw? I got half of the spiriting done (everything but the mob spriting), and almost all of the code done tonight. It's a belt fitting weapon that does 20 damage (too much? I don't think so.) and has a on/off state with a cell like a baton.

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SkeletalElite · Sat May 13, 2023 8:47 am

vect0r wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 8:12 am
Lacran wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 5:27 am I'd really also like sec to have some kind of melee option that isn't stun based just just round start survival knifes in our jackboots.

Could we please also get jaws of life printable from the sec lathe
What about an energy saw? I got half of the spiriting done (everything but the mob spriting), and almost all of the code done tonight. It's a belt fitting weapon that does 20 damage (too much? I don't think so.) and has a on/off state with a cell like a baton.

energy_saw.png

20 is probably fine, same as circular saw but it needs to be charged. Should probably get a bit of a wound bonus too

Mice World · Post by **Mice World** » Sat May 13, 2023 11:34 am #685427

Saws only do 15. 20 is fairly high as far as available weapons go. For reference cleavers also deal 15, an edagger does 18 and chainsaws do 24.

Kendrickorium · Sat May 13, 2023 1:59 pm

Jacquerel wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:46 pm
Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 1:45 pm hot - huge gaping/dripping hole

Itseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 4:26 pm
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:46 pm
Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 1:45 pm hot - huge gaping/dripping hole

conrad wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 4:57 pm
Itseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 4:26 pm
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:46 pm
Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 1:45 pm hot - huge gaping/dripping hole

Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 5:32 pm
conrad wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 4:57 pm
Itseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 4:26 pm
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:46 pm
Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 1:45 pm hot - huge gaping/dripping hole

Fikou wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 6:35 pm
Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 5:32 pm
conrad wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 4:57 pm
Itseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 4:26 pm
Jacquerel wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:46 pm
Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 1:45 pm hot - huge gaping/dripping hole

Super Aggro Crag · Sat May 13, 2023 5:10 pm

i misread the title for some reason and saw it as "lawyers to be buffed in effort to attract new security hires"

Post by **Jacquerel** » Sat May 13, 2023 6:03 pm #685454

Lawyers now do 5 additional burn damage and have a reduced energy cost, alongside a wound bonus.

Post by **Cobby** » Sat May 13, 2023 11:46 pm #685477

toemas wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 11:25 pm We have plenty of unique content that is woefully under-powered and ineffective like modsuits and thermal pistols, and security still just uses laser-guns and stun batons. Why make them stronger?

should have both! Thermal pistols were a step in making more unique variants of laser weaponry and theres a lot more customization available with the premise of sci-fi laser technology than with ballistic guns we have more tangibility to

Post by **Cheshify** » Sun May 14, 2023 4:07 am #685515

Guns should get a buff to compensate. Not to damage or anything, we just remove all historical or factual gun content and replace it all with science-fiction equivalents that hold absolutely no ties to modern weapons.

All this will do is piss off gun nerds, and is therefore an entirely 100% positive change.

No more M1911 firing .45, now you have the Donk Co Handheld Projectile Accelerator firing Donk Brand 10u Rounds (units, the established in-world system of measurement).

PengisBungholius · Sun May 14, 2023 5:23 am

Indie-ana Jones wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:18 pm Is this change intentionally made in conjunction with the stun damage PR? It seems like this change was done to specifically push lasers over the 25 damage threshold, meaning every laser shot removes all stun damage, assuming you don't have any armor.

he made the PR in "very red voice chat"

he also said 'balance isn't real, we just make shit up and slap numbers on things and see if they work' in that vc

Post by **oranges** » Sun May 14, 2023 6:43 am #685533

snitch

Kendrickorium · Sun May 14, 2023 2:28 pm

PengisBungholius wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 5:23 am
Indie-ana Jones wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:18 pm Is this change intentionally made in conjunction with the stun damage PR? It seems like this change was done to specifically push lasers over the 25 damage threshold, meaning every laser shot removes all stun damage, assuming you don't have any armor.
he also said 'balance isn't real, we just make shit up and slap numbers on things and see if they work' in that vc

oranges works for blizzard????

Bawhoppennn · Post by **Bawhoppennn** » Mon May 15, 2023 1:01 am #685645

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 2:28 pm
PengisBungholius wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 5:23 am
Indie-ana Jones wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:18 pm Is this change intentionally made in conjunction with the stun damage PR? It seems like this change was done to specifically push lasers over the 25 damage threshold, meaning every laser shot removes all stun damage, assuming you don't have any armor.
he also said 'balance isn't real, we just make shit up and slap numbers on things and see if they work' in that vc
oranges works for blizzard????

We can test this hypothesis by posting about Hong Kong in the coderbus
If we get banned, it is confirmed