/tg/Station 13

datorangebottle wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 1:53 am Does he have logs? Yes. He also has you being a smartass filling up his screen and ears with BWOINK. Being a distracting asshole helps nothing.

Cheshify wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 2:00 am Man what a way to kill admin morale. Sorry but you didn't ban people you didn't know the names of while being yelled at, now you get to handle an admin complaint.

carshalash wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 2:05 am

Cheshify wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 2:00 am Man what a way to kill admin morale. Sorry but you didn't ban people you didn't know the names of while being yelled at, now you get to handle an admin complaint.

People got pissed I made a policy thread instead of a feedback thread to disallow this, and now you're getting mad that I made a feedback thread.

Cheshify wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 3:59 am

carshalash wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 2:05 am

Cheshify wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 2:00 am Man what a way to kill admin morale. Sorry but you didn't ban people you didn't know the names of while being yelled at, now you get to handle an admin complaint.

People got pissed I made a policy thread instead of a feedback thread to disallow this, and now you're getting mad that I made a feedback thread.

Maybe it's time we get a good way to request admin action on things as an alternative to a complaint

NSFW:

Bring ban requests back boys let's goooo

Archie700 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 4:18 am You didn't give Rageguy a name of any one of the willing converts and you didn't even tell them this was happening openly at bar. That was just a very unhelpful ahelp.

Oh the other hand, I really don't like "willing converts" self-antaging in the name of RP. This whole thing should have been investigated and Rageguy should have at least asked further on why you believed that.

I'll give Rageguy that though, after he closed the first ahelp, he realized his mistake and reopened it. That should have been the time to explain what happened from your PoV.

Rageguy505 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 4:29 am I closed the first ahelp because I was gonna click on his name to respond and the chat moved the close button under my mouse

conrad wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 7:22 am You people need to stop assuming worst intentions at every turn.

Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 10:10 am

Rageguy505 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 4:29 am I closed the first ahelp because I was gonna click on his name to respond and the chat moved the close button under my mouse

This has also happened to me an embarrassing number of times

Boris wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 12:18 pm

Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 10:10 am

Rageguy505 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 4:29 am I closed the first ahelp because I was gonna click on his name to respond and the chat moved the close button under my mouse

This has also happened to me an embarrassing number of times

Use the ticket tab. Please, use the ticket tab.

Fren256 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 2:31 pm I can't believe admins aren't omnipotent beings that know what all the players in a round are doing all the time.

On the other hand, I'm curious. Do these events get a follow up or are they simply swept under the rug?

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 2:25 pm i'm confused

who wouldnt want to go to cultcon?

TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 5:18 pm

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 2:25 pm i'm confused

who wouldnt want to go to cultcon?

If there was a real life event called cultcon with actual magic I'd go, thats sick as hell

Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 10:10 am

Rageguy505 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 4:29 am I closed the first ahelp because I was gonna click on his name to respond and the chat moved the close button under my mouse

This has also happened to me an embarrassing number of times

kinnebian wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 2:51 pm

Fren256 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 2:31 pm I can't believe admins aren't omnipotent beings that know what all the players in a round are doing all the time.

On the other hand, I'm curious. Do these events get a follow up or are they simply swept under the rug?

Depends!
Its looked into if someone inquires about it in a future round like: "hey this person did this x rounds ago" then i know if it was overly egregious might warrant an investigation, but if someone ahelps a vague issue, insults the admin when they ask for more patience, then dc's?

Rageguy505 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:47 pm

kinnebian wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 2:51 pm

Fren256 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 2:31 pm I can't believe admins aren't omnipotent beings that know what all the players in a round are doing all the time.

On the other hand, I'm curious. Do these events get a follow up or are they simply swept under the rug?

Depends!
Its looked into if someone inquires about it in a future round like: "hey this person did this x rounds ago" then i know if it was overly egregious might warrant an investigation, but if someone ahelps a vague issue, insults the admin when they ask for more patience, then dc's?

The round ended, they didn't disconnect

Rageguy505 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 4:29 am

Archie700 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 4:18 am You didn't give Rageguy a name of any one of the willing converts and you didn't even tell them this was happening openly at bar. That was just a very unhelpful ahelp.

Oh the other hand, I really don't like "willing converts" self-antaging in the name of RP. This whole thing should have been investigated and Rageguy should have at least asked further on why you believed that.

I'll give Rageguy that though, after he closed the first ahelp, he realized his mistake and reopened it. That should have been the time to explain what happened from your PoV.

I closed the first ahelp because I was gonna click on his name to respond and the chat moved the close button under my mouse

Constellado wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 9:57 pm The people in Manuel had a bad time that day. A real bad time. People were pissed. Apparently there was two rounds of failed admin events in a row or something (station got deleted!!!) right before the cult con round....

I am glad I didn't play those hours wuuf.

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 2:58 pm

Constellado wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 9:57 pm The people in Manuel had a bad time that day. A real bad time. People were pissed. Apparently there was two rounds of failed admin events in a row or something (station got deleted!!!) right before the cult con round....

I am glad I didn't play those hours wuuf.

The first round was essentially a moderately peaceful round. Then the admins did a fog that killed EVERYBODY that wasn't a silicon or on lavaland with nothing the crew could do. It also deleted everything that wasn't an iron wall or floor. It was so bad that the admins hit the restart button instead of a shuttle because it was FUCKED. Some people got mad, but most took it in stride. Shit happens.

Then the admins did "HAHA shit tons of antags and multiple immovable rods Xd," (please stop doing this, manuelmins. I have NEVER seen it be received well.) Which also increased the salt because, at that point, people weren't even roleplaying, and people were just getting gunned down for shits and giggles. Antags were running around mercing people in broad daylight without anyone doing anything. Borgs were just ignoring people getting merced by lings. Nonrevs were randomly flashing people. Then there were actual revs, which meant that the round went on for another 20 minutes after the shuttle docked, and lots of people got killed. Immovable rods meant that large portions of the station were spaced, and thus lots of crew fatalities through airlock hell. This wouldn't be an issue if it were, like, 30 minutes, but this was a full hour and ten minutes of some of the most NRP I've ever seen on manuel. It was genuinely horrible. A decent portion of people were getting moderately peeved at this point and were asking the admins to cut it out.

Then we had a round on Cerestation where people banzai charged into cultcon to get converted. Leading to the round lasting, like, fifteen minutes. At that point, most people just called it a night early and left, me included. I don't really recall anyone but carshalash being mad about this round, though. People were telling him to calm down as he went on a tangent about admins and how the server is worthless, and he went on a momentary tangent in the Manuelcord end round chat about why Slurge (Seren Highwater) got permabanned. Most other people seemed to just be disappointed that the round was that short but thought it was funny nonetheless.

I absolutely regret playing that day. Round two was genuinely the worst round I've ever had in SS13, which is a feat. At least round one was a genuine fucky wucky, and three was just meme stuff done by players. I'm 100% certain that if the previous two rounds hadn't happened, then this admin complaint wouldn't exist.

Also, I feel like a cultcon every now and then is fine, as long as people are somewhat roleplaying it. The moment cultcon gets busted out every round is when admins need to step in.

Archie700 wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 3:13 pm

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 2:58 pm

Constellado wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 9:57 pm The people in Manuel had a bad time that day. A real bad time. People were pissed. Apparently there was two rounds of failed admin events in a row or something (station got deleted!!!) right before the cult con round....

I am glad I didn't play those hours wuuf.

The first round was essentially a moderately peaceful round. Then the admins did a fog that killed EVERYBODY that wasn't a silicon or on lavaland with nothing the crew could do. It also deleted everything that wasn't an iron wall or floor. It was so bad that the admins hit the restart button instead of a shuttle because it was FUCKED. Some people got mad, but most took it in stride. Shit happens.

Then the admins did "HAHA shit tons of antags and multiple immovable rods Xd," (please stop doing this, manuelmins. I have NEVER seen it be received well.) Which also increased the salt because, at that point, people weren't even roleplaying, and people were just getting gunned down for shits and giggles. Antags were running around mercing people in broad daylight without anyone doing anything. Borgs were just ignoring people getting merced by lings. Nonrevs were randomly flashing people. Then there were actual revs, which meant that the round went on for another 20 minutes after the shuttle docked, and lots of people got killed. Immovable rods meant that large portions of the station were spaced, and thus lots of crew fatalities through airlock hell. This wouldn't be an issue if it were, like, 30 minutes, but this was a full hour and ten minutes of some of the most NRP I've ever seen on manuel. It was genuinely horrible. A decent portion of people were getting moderately peeved at this point and were asking the admins to cut it out.

Then we had a round on Cerestation where people banzai charged into cultcon to get converted. Leading to the round lasting, like, fifteen minutes. At that point, most people just called it a night early and left, me included. I don't really recall anyone but carshalash being mad about this round, though. People were telling him to calm down as he went on a tangent about admins and how the server is worthless, and he went on a momentary tangent in the Manuelcord end round chat about why Slurge (Seren Highwater) got permabanned. Most other people seemed to just be disappointed that the round was that short but thought it was funny nonetheless.

I absolutely regret playing that day. Round two was genuinely the worst round I've ever had in SS13, which is a feat. At least round one was a genuine fucky wucky, and three was just meme stuff done by players. I'm 100% certain that if the previous two rounds hadn't happened, then this admin complaint wouldn't exist.

Also, I feel like a cultcon every now and then is fine, as long as people are somewhat roleplaying it. The moment cultcon gets busted out every round is when admins need to step in.

You should probably complain about the fog and the immovable rods under admin events here
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RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 2:58 pm Jesus fucking christ what the hell happened at Manuel

Constellado wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 9:57 pm The people in Manuel had a bad time that day. A real bad time. People were pissed. Apparently there was two rounds of failed admin events in a row or something (station got deleted!!!) right before the cult con round....

I am glad I didn't play those hours wuuf.

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 3:44 pm Okay I did some digging through logs and yeah the first rod was completely incidental, the second two were forced after the station was already falling to shit.

I'm horrible at reading the logs regarding all the antags, but all I got is one of the admins saying that they didn't do all the antags, so that might just have been an unfortunate coincidence.

The round in question: https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/round/205579

Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 4:11 pm

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 3:44 pm Okay I did some digging through logs and yeah the first rod was completely incidental, the second two were forced after the station was already falling to shit.

I'm horrible at reading the logs regarding all the antags, but all I got is one of the admins saying that they didn't do all the antags, so that might just have been an unfortunate coincidence.

The round in question: https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/round/205579

DOUBLE POST ALERT

Super sorry about the rod and the meteors, RedBaron.

The justification of doing it wasn’t for no raisin though, and my intention was not to cause the round to be a funny admeme round. There were some paintings positioned at the front of the bridge that I made and that some people witnessed me paint. After I was done painting them I made an announcement for people to not touch the paintings, and, immediately, several people tried breaking into the room in order to break the paintings. After that, I sent the medium meteor wave and a rod but stopped completely after that realizing that the round was already fucked.

Again, sorry for the shit round. I’ll do my best to make an actually good event once the time comes, and I have no defense for how bad it was. Destruction as a event is only good when people are roleplaying, and it was clear nobody was willing to put up with the round after what implied.

To the people who attended the round, sorry for the trouble. While I didn’t mess with antags, it’s clear you guys wanted the round to be uninterrupted and I fully respect that.

Striders13 wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 4:24 pm the fog purge was caused by an admin mistyping a single letter while doing a sdql to delete all fog

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 4:27 pm -snip-

Striders13 wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 4:24 pm the fog purge was caused by an admin mistyping a single letter while doing a sdql to delete all fog

Peak code moment.

ADMIN executed SDQL query(s): "DELETE /obj.effect/particle_effect/fluid/smoke".

TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 5:18 pm

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 2:25 pm i'm confused

who wouldnt want to go to cultcon?

If there was a real life event called cultcon with actual magic I'd go, thats sick as hell