Reider Meza - How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bwoink

[saprasam]

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[ekaterina]

I admire Ekaterina's willpower to be wrong all the time and die on every hill they stand.

You can repeat the lie that I'm wrong over and over as many times as you want and I'll still be right.
Plug your ears and cover your eyes while you do it so you can look even more like a child throwing a tantrum over hearing the truth that you dislike.

[oranges]

ekaterina you're doing the exact same thing by claiming you're constantly right and they're wrong how can you not see that.

[ekaterina]

ekaterina you're doing the exact same thing by claiming you're constantly right and they're wrong how can you not see that.

The differences are several.
First, I do it to give them a taste of their own medicine, which is the deontologically correct thing to do and has a chance to make them see the error of their ways.
Second, I back my points and respond to actual counter-arguments instead of making baseless assertions like the two of them just did.
Third, I am right.

How else would you respond to an idiot that replies to your position with "hur dur wrong ekat automatically wrong hur dur" but makes no effort whatsoever to either prove an opposing position or disprove yours?

[sinfulbliss]

I understand the mentality people have that they don't want to be snitches or don't think it's worth reporting it, but it's better for the server as a whole if we can help bring things back to where they once were.

Let's all be earth-shatteringly honest for a moment. Let's gather by the fire as a community and think about this because it is a wholesome idealist perspective.

Sybil hasn't had the "quality of RP" you are trying to enforce as a standard since at least 2020, and even then it only existed because all the gamers were doing their dirt on Basil instead. The truth is, Reider's playstyle is indistinguishable from dozens of other LRP players with similar hours and playtime. Reider just had the misfortune of HoSing a bit too hard when he came back to TG, which put him under an electron microscope that was bound to vaporize him eventually.

If you want to change the culture, slapping one or two hyper-active 3000 hr gamey LRP players isn't going to do it. Enforce the culture wholesale. Bwoink people for OOC memes IC. Note people for saying "sussy," secban wordless batongers, dole out daybans for random assistant shovefights. Guide with a stick instead of smash with a hammer. But before you do that ask yourself honestly if your vision for LRP aligns with the bulk playerbase that are actually populating the LRP servers and enjoying them.

I find it funny that 90% of admins who spend their time preaching these idealistic standards about how LRP should be played, are physically incapable of bringing themselves to actually hop on the LRP servers to play them, or even to admin, because their playstyle is unsustainable there and they simply wouldn't have fun actually playing in the way they want people to. They play Manuel or non-TG HRP servers where these standards make sense and have rules and culture backing them.

[Bawhoppennn]

Summary in this thread:

Ban interfered with the 'player improvement project' of another admin... 'shit' or not? you decide...

Self-fulfilling prophecy is real, if you treat someone like they are an inevitable shitter, you will be able to perceive them as one

However finally we're getting some actual action on banning anti-social people- DON'T PLAY THIS FUCKING GAME IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO TALK, IT'S THAT SIMPLE

Lurkers out in force

Kendrick made a strong pro-Reider post, but in reality was just an anti-Vekter

Ekaterina made their usual post, and Vekter, Saprasm, Conrad, and oranges all fell for the bait like clockwork

We've ticked all the boxes today

[saprasam]

Summary in this thread:
Ekaterina made their usual post, and Vekter, Saprasm, Conrad, and oranges all fell for the bait like clockwork

We've ticked all the boxes today

what

[Bawhoppennn]

Summary in this thread:
Ekaterina made their usual post, and Vekter, Saprasm, Conrad, and oranges all fell for the bait like clockwork

We've ticked all the boxes today

what

Oh I guess you didn't respond to Ekaterina, my mistake
I saw a huge quote chain after and assumed

[conrad]

Ekaterina made their usual post, and Vekter, Saprasm, Conrad, and oranges all fell for the bait like clockwork

yum yum

[MooCow12]

However finally we're getting some actual action on banning anti-social people- DON'T PLAY THIS FUCKING GAME IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO TALK, IT'S THAT SIMPLE

From now on i will only point and make caveman noises

[LeekiLoku]

However finally we're getting some actual action on banning anti-social people- DON'T PLAY THIS FUCKING GAME IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO TALK, IT'S THAT SIMPLE

From now on i will only point and make caveman noises

I agree, lets just act like complete animals.

[InternJohn]

However finally we're getting some actual action on banning anti-social people- DON'T PLAY THIS FUCKING GAME IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO TALK, IT'S THAT SIMPLE

From now on i will only point and make caveman noises

WARDEN OUT OF BRIG

[conrad]

However finally we're getting some actual action on banning anti-social people- DON'T PLAY THIS FUCKING GAME IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO TALK, IT'S THAT SIMPLE

From now on i will only point and make caveman noises

I agree, lets just act like complete animals.

This man wants to be admin.

[Not-Dorsidarf]

Here's a free tip: If you feel like you have a bad reputation, try changing your character name and see if you get treated in a way that makes you feel less defensive. It really is that simple to break the cycle of "I wanna improve but people treat me like shit" you know.

[InternJohn]

Here's a free tip: If you feel like you have a bad reputation, try changing your character name and see if you get treated in a way that makes you feel less defensive. It really is that simple to break the cycle of "I wanna improve but people treat me like shit" you know.

Pretty sure he did.

[MooCow12]

Is that why the "that person is definitely reider meza" meme started?

[iwishforducks]

I understand the mentality people have that they don't want to be snitches or don't think it's worth reporting it, but it's better for the server as a whole if we can help bring things back to where they once were.

Let's all be earth-shatteringly honest for a moment. Let's gather by the fire as a community and think about this because it is a wholesome idealist perspective.

Sybil hasn't had the "quality of RP" you are trying to enforce as a standard since at least 2020, and even then it only existed because all the gamers were doing their dirt on Basil instead. The truth is, Reider's playstyle is indistinguishable from dozens of other LRP players with similar hours and playtime. Reider just had the misfortune of HoSing a bit too hard when he came back to TG, which put him under an electron microscope that was bound to vaporize him eventually.

If you want to change the culture, slapping one or two hyper-active 3000 hr gamey LRP players isn't going to do it. Enforce the culture wholesale. Bwoink people for OOC memes IC. Note people for saying "sussy," secban wordless batongers, dole out daybans for random assistant shovefights. Guide with a stick instead of smash with a hammer. But before you do that ask yourself honestly if your vision for LRP aligns with the bulk playerbase that are actually populating the LRP servers and enjoying them.

I find it funny that 90% of admins who spend their time preaching these idealistic standards about how LRP should be played, are physically incapable of bringing themselves to actually hop on the LRP servers to play them, or even to admin, because their playstyle is unsustainable there and they simply wouldn't have fun actually playing in the way they want people to. They play Manuel or non-TG HRP servers where these standards make sense and have rules and culture backing them.

this is one of the generally smartest assessments of the situation, but there's probably some considerations to be made:

- we can smash morons with a hammer while also leading the culture/community with a stick
- reider has been led with said stick a LOT. like tons of notes have been placed on him. scriptis has been trying to point reider in the right direction for a long time now (and i commend him for that)
- we can't really see the nitty gritty details as players here. i couldnt say for sure whether or not admins have been stick leading as much as they should be. with that said it's also difficult to say stick leading is THE solution here

your last paragraph is interesting but i think it has poor assumptions. it's interesting to consider whether or not ideals of perfect play/practice are sustainable and what the line is, but turning it into a discussion of LRP versus MRP/HRP seems to miss the mark imo.

you're 100% correct about quality of RP not being present on sybil since like 2020-ish. and that it was generally a nicer server because of basil.

there's qualities of reider in a lot of people... but that's the thing. there's no one that's Reider. they might do things that reider would do, but they're not doing it as consistently as Reider does.

[Vekter]

Kendrick made a strong pro-Reider post, but in reality was just an anti-Vekter.

I don't agree with you on this, Kendrick and I haven't had beef in a while and it definitely seems more like he's bummed Reider's gone than he has anything against me.

[Lacran]

I refuse to interact with the rest of your post because it's stupid

Calling your opposition's remarks 'stupid' does not suddenly, magically, make you right nor does it replace a proper counter-argument.

No but what you said had so little merit its hard to actually argue any points you raise because so little exist.

I'll try to break it down and some of the poorly thought out assertions you are making.

1. Greenshift means people need to create MORE conflict.

That really runs counter to the point of a greenshift.

2. Self-antags generously add to/improve a round.

I don't know any sane person that thinks someone on a pure whim deciding to directly and repeatedly fuck over other players are doing it for altruistic reasons.

3. Security enjoy self-antagging shitters that SSD the second you eventually arrest them.
Get help.

A player that does nothing but fuck over other players for of a year, with a history of rulebreaking and being given multiple chances and oppurtunity to reform is not doing it because they want others to have a good time. Any enjoyment you've gotten from Reider meza has definitely not been their motivation. and is likely a mistake on their part.

People hate this player ingame, admins do not want this person in the community and that's been the case for over a year. this person is by every rational metric not a benefit to the community and you attempting to obfuscate what is and what isn't beneficial to a round doesn't change that.

[Boot]

This game thrives on conflict. Just being an asshole who hacks doors, steals shit, shoves people over makes the rounds what they are.

The antagonists:

Archie I know you're smarter then this. We don't want play a game where the moment someone hacks doors, steals shit or shoves you they are instantly outed as an antag. The first descriptor used when describing ss13 is "paranoia-laden" which evaporates if we were to go by what you say here.

[Lacran]

arter then this. We don't want play a game where the moment someone hacks doors, steals shit or shoves you they are instantly outed as an antag. The first descriptor used when describing ss13 is "paranoia-laden" which evaporates if we were to go by what you say here.

ahhhh so you're saying self antagging is good because it helps camouflage antags.

We'll ignore that the shitters doing this are the first people to validhunt, and that their actions aren't good intentioned at all.

Shitters aren't some crucial ecological niche to a fun round, they are just an inevitable part of any game like this.

[Boot]

arter then this. We don't want play a game where the moment someone hacks doors, steals shit or shoves you they are instantly outed as an antag. The first descriptor used when describing ss13 is "paranoia-laden" which evaporates if we were to go by what you say here.

ahhhh so you're saying self antagging is good because it helps camouflage antags.

We'll ignore that the shitters doing this are the first people to validhunt, and that their actions aren't good intentioned at all.

Shitters aren't some crucial ecological niche to a fun round, they are just an inevitable part of any game like this.

We live in a period of time where hacking a door is now "self-antagging" to the normal manuel player.

[oranges]

However finally we're getting some actual action on banning anti-social people- DON'T PLAY THIS FUCKING GAME IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO TALK, IT'S THAT SIMPLE

From now on i will only point and make caveman noises

well you wont b emissed when you get banned I guess

[BeeSting12]

If you want to change the culture, slapping one or two hyper-active 3000 hr gamey LRP players isn't going to do it. Enforce the culture wholesale. Bwoink people for OOC memes IC. Note people for saying "sussy," secban wordless batongers, dole out daybans for random assistant shovefights. Guide with a stick instead of smash with a hammer. But before you do that ask yourself honestly if your vision for LRP aligns with the bulk playerbase that are actually populating the LRP servers and enjoying them.

I'd love to see the influx of OOC in IC reduced on Sybil. It's gotten truly ridiculous, I see multiple people outright saying "round" IC and all sorts of similar stuff. Just remember that admins aren't omniscient. They probably aren't reading every say log, so if you see OOC memes IC then ahelp it. That's what I've been doing but half the time no admins so time to ruin immersions

[chocolate_bickie]

If you want to change the culture, slapping one or two hyper-active 3000 hr gamey LRP players isn't going to do it. Enforce the culture wholesale. Bwoink people for OOC memes IC. Note people for saying "sussy," secban wordless batongers, dole out daybans for random assistant shovefights. Guide with a stick instead of smash with a hammer. But before you do that ask yourself honestly if your vision for LRP aligns with the bulk playerbase that are actually populating the LRP servers and enjoying them.

I'd love to see the influx of OOC in IC reduced on Sybil. It's gotten truly ridiculous, I see multiple people outright saying "round" IC and all sorts of similar stuff. Just remember that admins aren't omniscient. They probably aren't reading every say log, so if you see OOC memes IC then ahelp it. That's what I've been doing but half the time no admins so time to ruin immersions

No one wants to be the guy who ahelps minor IC OOC, in part because it just annoys admins.

[datorangebottle]

No one wants to be the guy who ahelps minor IC OOC, in part because it just annoys admins.

This is mostly true. I want to BE the admin that smacks people upside the head for minor OOC in IC though. That shit's the easiest way to annoy me.

[blackdav123]

Round 205255: 18 lines. "devious" which I'm guessing is a reference to "Devious lick" which was a meme about stealing shit from TikTok a few years back. Noting this for more memes IC and as an example of them

you cant even be a devious mustache twirling villain these days without 1984mins breathing down your neck...

[BeeSting12]

If you want to change the culture, slapping one or two hyper-active 3000 hr gamey LRP players isn't going to do it. Enforce the culture wholesale. Bwoink people for OOC memes IC. Note people for saying "sussy," secban wordless batongers, dole out daybans for random assistant shovefights. Guide with a stick instead of smash with a hammer. But before you do that ask yourself honestly if your vision for LRP aligns with the bulk playerbase that are actually populating the LRP servers and enjoying them.

I'd love to see the influx of OOC in IC reduced on Sybil. It's gotten truly ridiculous, I see multiple people outright saying "round" IC and all sorts of similar stuff. Just remember that admins aren't omniscient. They probably aren't reading every say log, so if you see OOC memes IC then ahelp it. That's what I've been doing but half the time no admins so time to ruin immersions

No one wants to be the guy who ahelps minor IC OOC, in part because it just annoys admins.

This is a myth. I was never annoyed with those types of ahelps. It's an easy way to increase the quality of the server and it takes 30 seconds to deal with. Maybe don't check the box to ping @supportmin for something like that though.

[NoxVS]

No one wants to be the guy who ahelps minor IC OOC, in part because it just annoys admins.

source?

[Lacran]

We live in a period of time where hacking a door is now "self-antagging" to the normal manuel player.

Is reading comphrension something you need help with?

[Kendrickorium]

Kendrick made a strong pro-Reider post, but in reality was just an anti-Vekter.

I don't agree with you on this, Kendrick and I haven't had beef in a while and it definitely seems more like he's bummed Reider's gone than he has anything against me.

this

[ekaterina]

1. Greenshift means people need to create MORE conflict.

That really runs counter to the point of a greenshift.

2. Self-antags generously add to/improve a round.

I don't know any sane person that thinks someone on a pure whim deciding to directly and repeatedly fuck over other players are doing it for altruistic reasons.

3. Security enjoy self-antagging shitters that SSD the second you eventually arrest them.
Get help.

1. That only reinforces how poorly thought out the greenshit is. It's so boring to have a round with no antags that the assistants have to take it upon themselves to self-antag. Players need to compensate for the conflict that the round failed to provide them with - so yes, greenshit means people need to create more conflict.

2. Regardless of the reasons for them to self-antag, self-antags add conflict that often make a round more interesting for security. If, in doing so, they detract from a third party's fun, there's a problem, obviously. I think we ought to know what we're talking about when we say 'self-antag', because, as another forum user pointed out, we might be operating with different definitions here.

3. Are you actually arguing that you know better than a HoS main and certified™ Security Officers' Union representative™ what sec players want?
You're a Manuel player, which explains why we have different visions for the game. What it doesn't explain is why you and Vekter are trying to impose your MRP vision on our LRP servers.

[chocolate_bickie]

No one wants to be the guy who ahelps minor IC OOC, in part because it just annoys admins.

source?

Retail experience

[Archie700]

This game thrives on conflict. Just being an asshole who hacks doors, steals shit, shoves people over makes the rounds what they are.

The antagonists:

Archie I know you're smarter then this. We don't want play a game where the moment someone hacks doors, steals shit or shoves you they are instantly outed as an antag. The first descriptor used when describing ss13 is "paranoia-laden" which evaporates if we were to go by what you say here.

The whole point of "paranoia-laden" is that your station has been infiltrated by agents from an enemy organization whose job is to kill people, steal important secrets, or destroy the station.

Your average greytider is not someone that causes paranoia, he's just being a dick.

When rounds are warped to the point that one person is specifically metagrudged (no other word for it) because of his prior greytide behaviour (remember Lucy Cicero?), it becomes a problem.

[Lacran]

1. That only reinforces how poorly thought out the greenshit is. It's so boring to have a round with no antags that the assistants have to take it upon themselves to self-antag. Players need to compensate for the conflict that the round failed to provide them with - so yes, greenshit means people need to create more conflict.

2. Regardless of the reasons for them to self-antag, self-antags add conflict that often make a round more interesting for security. If, in doing so, they detract from a third party's fun, there's a problem, obviously. I think we ought to know what we're talking about when we say 'self-antag', because, as another forum user pointed out, we might be operating with different definitions here.

3. Are you actually arguing that you know better than a HoS main and certified™ Security Officers' Union representative™ what sec players want?
You're a Manuel player, which explains why we have different visions for the game. What it doesn't explain is why you and Vekter are trying to impose your MRP vision on our LRP servers.

1. You self antagging during a greenshift isn't a greenshift issue, greenshifts are intended by design to lack conflict relative to the average round. If you can't handle that, don't play greenshifts. You don't get to break the rules solely because you are bored.

2 -3. You are just repeated the same point here. You being a HoS main doesn't matter, I have similar Sec hours to you and the idea that Sec players enjoy chasing mute shitters around the station is one not widely held by Security players. Seeing as you are LRP probably haven't interacted with another officer long enough to determine that. This isn't an MRP standard, this is a LRP standard. Nobody is expecting you to meet MRP standards, these are the bare minimum standards. if we were applying MRP standards that player would've been gone years ago.

Your vision for the game involves enabling people who are fundamentally selfish and destructive on the basis that you may glean some enjoyment stopping them. The majority of players do not feel this way, this is why Reider is lynched virtually on sight. Your vision is fundamentally selfish and shortsighted.

[sinfulbliss]

1. That only reinforces how poorly thought out the greenshit is. It's so boring to have a round with no antags that the assistants have to take it upon themselves to self-antag. Players need to compensate for the conflict that the round failed to provide them with - so yes, greenshit means people need to create more conflict.

2. Regardless of the reasons for them to self-antag, self-antags add conflict that often make a round more interesting for security. If, in doing so, they detract from a third party's fun, there's a problem, obviously. I think we ought to know what we're talking about when we say 'self-antag', because, as another forum user pointed out, we might be operating with different definitions here.

3. Are you actually arguing that you know better than a HoS main and certified™ Security Officers' Union representative™ what sec players want?
You're a Manuel player, which explains why we have different visions for the game. What it doesn't explain is why you and Vekter are trying to impose your MRP vision on our LRP servers.

1. You self antagging during a greenshift isn't a greenshift issue, greenshifts are intended by design to lack conflict relative to the average round, if you can't handle that, don't play greenshifts. You don't get to break the rules solely because you are bored.

2 -3. You are just repeated the same point here. You being a HoS main doesn't matter, I have similar Sec hours to you and the idea that Sec players enjoy chasing mute shitters around the station is one not widely held by Security players. Seeing as you are LRP probably haven't interacted with another officer long enough to determine that. This isn't an MRP standard, this is a LRP standard. Nobody is expecting you to meet MRP standards, these are the bare minimum standards. if we were applying MRP standards that player would've been gone years ago.

Your vision for the game involves enabling people who are fundamentally selfish and destructive on the basis that you may glean some enjoyment stopping them. The majority of players do not feel this way, this is why Reider is lynched virtually on sight. Your vision is fundamentally selfish and shortsighted.

Lacran, respectfully, with a whopping 0 total LRP rounds played from you, and the entirety of your time here having been played on Manuel, I think you can't speak for what LRP players want or enjoy about the game, and you also have no concept of who Reider is or what his interactions are like. In other words, you're just blowing smoke out your ass

[Lacran]

Lacran, respectfully, with a whopping 0 total LRP rounds played from you, and the entirety of your time here having been played on Manuel, I think you can't speak for what LRP players want or enjoy about the game, and you also have no concept of who Reider is or what his interactions are like. In other words, you're just blowing smoke out your ass

I'm pretty capable of inferring information from the logs provided and from what other people have been saying about Reider Meiza. I've also dealt with them myself on Manuel as they don't solely play LRP rounds. I try to look into situations before I comment on it, you should try it.

I have a pretty informed opinion on who Reider is and why we have minimum RP standards even for LRP players. But no you're right, LRP vs MRP tribalism is definitely the more informed and nuanced stance, I'm glad we have your very rational and comprehensive contribution.

[sinfulbliss]

But no you're right, LRP vs MRP tribalism is definitely the more informed and nuanced stance, I'm glad we have your very rational and comprehensive contribution.

It's amazing to me that the instant you sorta fellows hear distinctions about LRP and MRP being made you pearl-clutch about server tribalism

[sinfulbliss]

I'm pretty capable of inferring information from the logs provided and from what other people have been saying about Reider Meiza.

so informed that you don’t even know how the name is spelled
lol. lmao, even

[Lacran]

I feel like you kinda just wanna argue without actually processing anything I write

[conrad]

I feel like you kinda just wanna argue without actually processing anything I write

I mean, have you seen who you're talking to?

[InternJohn]

A great majority of LRP Sybil players are bummed at seeing Reider get permabanned basically is the jist of this thread, and a good portion of people here are acting like they have to put down ol' yeller.

Reider was getting better, and I completely disagree with Vektor's assessment via stalking. There are just so many worse players than Reider on Sybil and the argument that "This is us trying to enforce standards!" falls flat when Reider was actually trying to get better about it.

There are a dozen people that I think should get job banned or tempbanned for their behavior, Reider wasn't one of them. Most people who play on Sybil kind of just understand Reider at this point, call it stockholm syndrome but it was charming. Not only charming, but often times hilarious. Walking to medbay and seeing Redier fighting Dean Ivanov, only to later find **every fire extinguisher** on the station empty from their slip fight was just funny. It doesn't even happen every shift, it's a rare occurrence.

I main chemistry, and my secondary is as security. I often get into direct conflicts with people, I've fought Reider countless times, I've never considered him bad. I actually strongly appreciate his efficiency in killing tots. There are far too many Sec members that are just plain fucking incompetent, or will draw some sadistic pleasure from torturing someone for an hour, or some other psychotic behavior. I was always refreshed to see Reider as HoS, because it meant I had someone competent to rely on who wouldn't faff about.

I think you're getting hung up on the wrong things when it comes to Sybil, and that banning Reider isn't a step towards 'cleaning' the server, it's just staring at someone with a troubled past through an electron microscope. As I said before, I'm sure a VAST MAJORITY of Sybil players would get banned if you stared at them in this manner. Reider isn't even in the top 10 worst offenders, he just has a bad reputation. Is that bad reputation his fault? Sure. But there is also a massive stigma against good players who understand the game. Every good player gets some level of shit flung at them for gimmicks, power gaming, or otherwise. Even I get given shit by people for just doing my job as sec officer and taking down traitors.

Ultimately, ask yourself if Reider was **REALLY** that big of a problem for Sybil, because I don't think he was. Of all the people I've had issues with, who have given me grief, Reider's not even in the top 30.

[sinfulbliss]

I feel like you kinda just wanna argue without actually processing anything I write

“i can read logs somethin somethin i seen them on manuel somethin somethin”

that tells me nothing. NOTHING. at least detail an experience you had with them or something and then spin that to explain why it shows they’re the spawn of satan

[vect0r]

Lacran, I am gonna be real here; you can't make a judgement call about how good somebody is IG if you have never played with them. You can infer it, but don't try and argue about it to people who have hung out and played with them. I have to say, at least for this, I am on sinfuls side.

[sinfulbliss]

I feel like you kinda just wanna argue without actually processing anything I write

I mean, have you seen who you're talking to?

mean little thing aren’t you!

any semblance of the squishymin aesthetic you try to uphold clearly gets squashed when you detect a fellow manuel damsel in distress

[Lacran]

Lacran, I am gonna be real here; you can't make a judgement call about how good somebody is IG if you have never played with them. You can infer it, but don't try and argue about it to people who have hung out and played with them. I have to say, at least for this, I am on sinfuls side.

I've played with them, I've also read this thread where their strongest defenders are either atleast acknowledging they have huge problems that put them at odds with a large group of people or are the dumbest dregs the community has to offer.

I feel like you kinda just wanna argue without actually processing anything I write

“i can read logs somethin somethin i seen them on manuel somethin somethin”

Case in point.

[sinfulbliss]

Case in point.

digg

[InternJohn]

I've played with them, I've also read this thread where their strongest defenders are either atleast acknowledging they have huge problems that put them at odds with a large group of people or are the dumbest dregs the community has to offer.

A good portion of that is a problem with the large group of people. As I said, there is a stigma against good players on Sybil. Even I get shit for just doing my job well. People whine about how I play, the tools I use, call me all sorts of shit. I get antagonized just for being me, shoved, escalated against, etc.

I don't think you fully understand this issue.

[sinfulbliss]

I've played with them, I've also read this thread where their strongest defenders are either atleast acknowledging they have huge problems that put them at odds with a large group of people or are the dumbest dregs the community has to offer.

Even I get shit for just doing my job well. People whine about how I play, the tools I use, call me all sorts of shit. I get antagonized just for being me, shoved, escalated against, etc.

To be fair John, this is all because it’s warden out of brig (crime against humanity)

[conrad]

I feel like you kinda just wanna argue without actually processing anything I write

I mean, have you seen who you're talking to?

mean little thing aren’t you!

any semblance of the squishymin aesthetic you try to uphold clearly gets squashed when you detect a fellow manuel damsel in distress

[TheRex9001]

Conrad the famous Manuelmin

[kinnebian]

mean little thing aren’t you!

why is sinful acting like a disney villain