/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 9:30 am**

viewtopic.php?t=34073

Prisoners are just like any other job. They don't have a license to grief, so you shouldn't treat them like this.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 9:52 am**

What a crybaby lmao

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 9:58 am**

My character was in for tax evasion

they got what was coming!

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 10:03 am**

I feel like using prisoners for experiments is the kind of based emergent RP the job is there to create.
Surely a dystopian megacorporation would absolutely use criminals for human testing.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 10:06 am**

Jackraxxus wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:03 am I feel like using prisoners for experiments is the kind of based emergent RP the job is there to create.
Surely a dystopian megacorporation would absolutely use criminals for human testing.

I would agree with this if prisoners had lenient escalation rules (or an antag status like abductor). You can't really have a "pick this to get griefed" role without said role being able to retaliate.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 10:18 am**

i died pls ban he

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 11:50 am**

10/10 thread title

absolutely perfect

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 12:47 pm**

Mice World wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 10:06 am You can't really have a "pick this to get griefed" role without said role being able to retaliate.

why
also prisoners beat up sec that come to their cell all the time is it actually against the rules??

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 1:11 pm**

Fikou wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 12:47 pm why

Because that's rather boring? Like, if you want to treat prisoner like a punching bag, go ahead... but it's clearly not designed for this.

Fikou wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 12:47 pm also prisoners beat up sec that come to their cell all the time is it actually against the rules??

I'm not an admin so I don't really know. I'd assume not. However, I could see an admin banning a player the only wants to fight sec.

My main issue with this is that it's an extremely one sided interaction (Good luck beating a somewhat competent secoff as solo prisoner) and prisoner isn't really designed for this. From what I've seen they're treated like a normal job (It's also recommended to new players on the wiki!), so this is the equivalent of a security officer cuffing some random MD and giving him to a heretic.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 1:26 pm**

I think this was chill. Prisoners being "Just like other jobs" is boing. They have inherent rp justification to fuck with.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 1:29 pm**

This is cringe and the secoff should be given a bollocking for this. It's not like it was an MD or the RD who asked, just some random hobo greyshirt walked in, demanded a prisoner and was handed him in cuffs. That's the same as just opening the brig doors and throwing the prisoners out roundstart as far as I'm concerned, and sec aren't meant to do that either.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 1:30 pm**

Mice World wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 1:11 pm (It's also recommended to new players on the wiki!)

Prisoner being recommended for new players on the wiki is stupid imo we shouldn't be telling new players to try the sit there and do nothing/get trolled by sec (as content) job as their first impressions of ss13.
We should be recommending assistant so they can kill themselves on doors as their forefathers did before them, and maybe cargo tech so they can push crates / walk around delivering mail/crates so they can learn the maps.
Someone should fix this big time.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 1:35 pm**

Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 1:29 pm This is cringe and the secoff should be given a bollocking for this. It's not like it was an MD or the RD who asked, just some random hobo greyshirt walked in, demanded a prisoner and was handed him in cuffs. That's the same as just opening the brig doors and throwing the prisoners out roundstart as far as I'm concerned, and sec aren't meant to do that either.

I made the policy thread about releasing the prisoners roundstart.
The end result was the headmins making a ruling that didn't touch on the issue I brought at all. viewtopic.php?f=85&t=32347&p=654627&hil ... er#p654627

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 1:49 pm**

Itseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 1:26 pm Prisoners being "Just like other jobs" is boing. They have inherent rp justification to fuck with.

I agree. But it's hard to create a job like this that balances between "This will enable RP" and "This will make sec vs prisoners every round ". Prisoner was designed to be a "chill" hangout in perma role, so it needs a complete policy and maybe even code rewrite before it can move away from being just another job.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 1:52 pm**

I think I'm okay with using prisoners for experiments, but I'm not convinced that's what happened here? Unless I'm missing something it looks like they just gave the prisoner to a random assistant.

There's a difference between handing a prisoner over to R&D/medical for experimentation and just giving him to a person in a grey jumpsuit.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 1:58 pm**

I think using prisoners as D-class personel is funny.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 2:04 pm**

Aside from this incident being incredibly based and exactly what you should expect from a good prisoner round, I have a vendetta against this player for changing the AI lawset to catimov one time. Admin did good.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 2:29 pm**

Here's the logs for this. I'm sort of rushing so sorry if I miss something important.
Boris is the secoff. Jose is the heretic assistant. Imitates is the prisoner.

Boris and Jose meet. Boris agrees to give Jose a slave "for cruel experiments".

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[2023-05-17 06:20:02.263] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "Gday" (Starboard Primary Hallway (133,126,2))
[2023-05-17 06:20:21.260] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "Nice" (Port Primary Hallway (83,127,2))
[2023-05-17 06:20:26.511] GAME-EMOTE: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) points at Boris Kantrowitz (Port Primary Hallway (78,124,2))
[2023-05-17 06:20:29.575] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "boris" (Port Primary Hallway (75,125,2))
[2023-05-17 06:20:31.565] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "boris" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (75,128,2))
[2023-05-17 06:20:31.651] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "Good throw" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (76,128,2))
[2023-05-17 06:20:34.724] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "Sup" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (76,127,2))
[2023-05-17 06:20:36.502] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "can i use the perma prisoner" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (76,129,2))
[2023-05-17 06:20:39.163] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "for cruel experiments" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (76,129,2))
[2023-05-17 06:20:41.366] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "Yeah sure" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (76,127,2))
[2023-05-17 06:20:43.719] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "thanks bro" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (75,127,2))
[2023-05-17 06:20:45.400] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "Lets go" (Port Primary Hallway (74,123,2))

The disabling and cuffing.

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[2023-05-17 06:21:01.371] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "make sure they are cuffed" (Security Break Room (56,93,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:02.477] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "Wheres perma on this station" (Security (57,94,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:03.798] GAME-EMOTE: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) points at Security Transfer Center (Security Break Room (56,92,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:03.934] GAME-EMOTE: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) points at Security Transfer Center (Security Break Room (56,92,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:04.223] GAME-EMOTE: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) points at Security Transfer Center (Security Break Room (56,91,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:06.466] GAME-EMOTE: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) points at Prison Transfer Tram (Security Transfer Tram (57,88,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:07.176] GAME-EMOTE: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) points at Prison Transfer Tram (Security Transfer Tram (57,88,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:34.125] ATTACK: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) shot Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100)  (Prison Rec Room (58,38,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:34.525] ATTACK: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) fired at Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with the disabler beam from Prison Rec Room (NEWHP: 100)  (Prison Rec Room (58,38,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:34.725] ATTACK: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) shot Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100)  (Prison Rec Room (58,38,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:34.923] ATTACK: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) fired at Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with the disabler beam from Prison Rec Room (NEWHP: 100)  (Prison Rec Room (58,38,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:35.125] ATTACK: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) shot Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100)  (Prison Rec Room (58,38,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:35.600] ATTACK: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) fired at Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with the disabler beam from Prison Rec Room (NEWHP: 100)  (Prison Rec Room (58,38,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:35.759] ATTACK: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) shot Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100)  (Prison Rec Room (58,38,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:36.040] ATTACK: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) fired at Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with the disabler beam from Prison Rec Room (NEWHP: 100)  (Prison Rec Room (58,38,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:36.247] ATTACK: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) shot Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100)  (Prison Rec Room (58,38,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:38.875] ATTACK: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) attempted to handcuff Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (NEWHP: 100)  (Prison Garden (55,37,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:39.553] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) "Dindu nuffin" (Prison Garden (54,37,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:41.854] ATTACK: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) handcuffed Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (NEWHP: 100)  (Prison Garden (55,37,2))

Grabbing etc, Boris confirms that Imitates is now Jose's.

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2023-05-17 06:21:46.490] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) grabbed Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) passive grab (NEWHP: 100)  (Prison Garden (56,37,2))
-05-17 06:21:46.840] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "Theyre yours" (Prison Garden (55,38,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:49.290] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "thanks" (Prison Garden (56,37,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:50.519] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) "WHAT" (Prison Rec Room (57,39,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:58.499] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) "HEY WHAT THE HELL" (Transfer Centre (64,51,2))
[2023-05-17 06:21:58.759] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) grabbed Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) passive grab (NEWHP: 100)  (Transfer Centre (63,51,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:02.492] GAME-EMOTE: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) points at the body bags (Security Transfer Tram (59,56,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:06.358] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "silence" (Security Transfer Tram (58,55,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:14.336] GAME-EMOTE: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) points at the tram controls (Security Transfer Tram (55,55,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:15.025] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) "WHAT IS THIS" (Security Transfer Tram (55,54,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:22.336] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "your mine" (Security Transfer Tram (55,79,2))

Jose starts strangling Imitates.

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[2023-05-17 06:22:26.074] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) grabbed Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) passive grab (NEWHP: 100)  (Security Transfer Tram (60,82,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:28.582] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) grabbed Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) passive grab (NEWHP: 100)  (Security Transfer Tram (59,81,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:32.399] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "fail" (Security Transfer Tram (59,82,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:33.367] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "holdon" (Security Transfer Tram (59,82,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:35.220] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) grabbed Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 100)  (Security Transfer Tram (57,86,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:41.980] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attempted to neck grab Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) neck grab (NEWHP: 100)  (Security Break Room (56,92,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:43.772] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "gotta" (Security Break Room (56,92,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:44.636] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) grabbed Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) neck grab (NEWHP: 100)  (Security Break Room (56,92,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:46.821] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "subdue them" (Security Break Room (56,92,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:50.308] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attempted to strangle Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) kill grab (NEWHP: 100)  (Security (57,95,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:52.983] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) strangled Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) kill grab (NEWHP: 100)  (Security (57,95,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:53.142] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) "Im un cuffs you dork" (Security (57,95,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:53.325] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "i plan on making them" (Security (57,95,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:56.650] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "If they get away its your problem" (Security (57,101,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:57.007] GAME-EMOTE: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) gasps! (Security (57,95,2))
[2023-05-17 06:22:59.892] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) "HELP" (Security (57,95,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:00.103] GAME-EMOTE: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) nods. (Security (57,96,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:01.414] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) "SECOFF" (Security (57,97,2))

Earnest, the other secoff sees Jose and Boris with Imitates.

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[2023-05-17 06:23:04.351] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) "HES KILLING ME" (Security (57,99,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:04.923] GAME-SAY: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) "hello" (Security Locker Room (61,104,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:06.205] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "Yo" (Security Locker Room (58,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:06.576] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) "HELP" (Security (57,102,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:09.039] GAME-EMOTE: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) gasps! (Security (57,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:10.947] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "the prisoners mine" (Security (57,104,2))

Boris tells Earnest about Imitates, Earnest tries to stop Jose, Imitates keeps calling for help.

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[2023-05-17 06:23:11.021] ATTACK: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) shoved Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100)  (Security (56,104,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:11.742] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "GIvin this assistant the perma prisoner" (Security Locker Room (59,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:11.144] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) "MURDER" (Security (57,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:11.896] ATTACK: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) kicks Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 100)  (Security (56,104,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:11.897] ATTACK: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) shoved Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100)  (Security (56,104,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:12.092] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "by the way" (Security (57,104,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:12.294] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) "HELP" (Security (57,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:13.035] ATTACK: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) grabbed Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) passive grab (NEWHP: 84)  (Security Locker Room (58,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:14.782] ATTACK: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) fired at Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) with the disabler beam from Security (NEWHP: 100)  (Security (56,104,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:14.783] ATTACK: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) shot Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100)  (Security (56,104,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:15.158] ATTACK: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) fired at Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) with the disabler beam from Security (NEWHP: 100)  (Security (56,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:15.160] ATTACK: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) shot Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100)  (Security (56,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:15.379] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) "HELP" (Security Locker Room (60,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:15.801] ATTACK: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Security (Security (56,102,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:16.297] ATTACK: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Security (Security (56,102,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:16.738] ATTACK: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) fired at [window] with the disabler beam from Security (Security (56,99,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:16.774] ATTACK: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) shot Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100)  (Security (56,99,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:17.225] ATTACK: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Security (Security (56,97,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:17.699] ATTACK: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Security (Security (56,96,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:18.125] ATTACK: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) fired at [Warden's Office] with the disabler beam from Security (Security (56,98,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:18.564] ATTACK: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Security (Security (56,99,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:20.122] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "Dude calm down" (Security (57,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:21.611] ATTACK: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) pulled from Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) with Jose Shah (NEWHP: 100)  (Security Locker Room (58,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:21.613] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) grabbed Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) passive grab (NEWHP: 94)  (Security Locker Room (59,103,2))

Boris lies about Jose strangling Imitates. Jose ends up taking Imitates away.

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[2023-05-17 06:23:24.248] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) "HE WAS KILLING ME" (Security Locker Room (59,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:24.591] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "its just a perma prisoner" (Security Locker Room (59,104,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:25.227] GAME-SAY: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) "he was choking her" (Security (56,102,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:26.676] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "Im giving them the perma" (Security (57,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:27.326] GAME-SAY: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) "HE WAS CHOKING HER" (Security (56,102,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:27.474] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "they dont have significance" (Security Locker Room (59,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:28.678] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "Nah he wasnt" (Security (57,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:31.177] GAME-EMOTE: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) shakes his head. (Security Locker Room (59,104,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:31.592] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) "IM ONLY GUILTY OF TAX EVASION" (Security Locker Room (59,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:32.251] GAME-SAY: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) "yeah he was dumbass" (Security (56,102,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:34.105] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "Calm down" (Security (57,102,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:39.428] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "punishable by death in sec world" (Security (73,108,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:42.177] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) "HELP THIS IS A KIDNAPPING" (Brig Entrance (75,116,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:44.444] ATTACK: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) punched Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) (NEWHP: 96)  (Brig Entrance (74,117,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:44.476] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) "HELP" (Brig Entrance (73,118,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:49.451] GAME-SAY: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) "shadddaaaaaap" (Port Primary Hallway (76,125,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:50.673] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) punched Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (NEWHP: 97)  (Fore Central Primary Hallway (76,132,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:52.776] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) "HELP" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (76,145,2))
[2023-05-17 06:23:54.308] GAME-SAY: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) "HELP" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (80,151,2))

Earnest talks with Boris while Jose beats Imitates to death.

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[2023-05-17 06:24:04.723] GAME-SAY: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) "hey" (Security (64,107,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:07.823] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "Yo" (Security Locker Room (64,104,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:10.179] GAME-SAY: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) "why did you just let that assistant take the perma?" (Security (64,107,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:15.381] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 87)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:16.180] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 77)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:16.189] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "They asked" (Security Locker Room (64,104,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:17.286] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 67)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:18.159] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 57)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:18.929] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 49.5)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:20.463] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "No harm no foul" (Security Locker Room (64,104,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:24.700] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 39.5)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:24.916] GAME-SAY: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) "uhhh" (Security Locker Room (64,105,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:25.579] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 29.5)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:26.638] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 19.5)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:27.478] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 9.5)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:28.346] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -0.5)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:29.265] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -10.5)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:30.185] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -20.5)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:30.962] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -30.5)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:31.183] GAME-SAY: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) "I&#39;m getting them back" (Security Locker Room (62,104,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:31.754] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -40.5)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:32.723] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -50.5)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:33.693] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -58.7)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:34.499] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -66.2)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:35.465] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -76.2)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:36.254] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -86.8)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:37.212] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -96.8)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:37.704] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "Why are you being lame" (Security Locker Room (64,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:38.008] GAME-EMOTE: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) seizes up and falls limp, her eyes dead and lifeless... (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:38.012] ATTACK: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) has died (BRUTE: 214, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 2, CLONE: 0) (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:38.013] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) attacked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) with fire extinguisher (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -107.5)  (Crew Facilities (133,153,2))

Boris and Earnest argue while Jose starts his ritual.

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[2023-05-17 06:24:43.814] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "I mean thats your problem, its not fun" (Security Locker Room (64,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:44.035] GAME-SAY: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) "why are you being retarded" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (76,136,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:51.483] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) kicked Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (NEWHP: -107.5)  (Recreation Area (158,136,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:53.179] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "Good luck man, if you get robusted thats on you" (Security Locker Room (60,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:53.282] GAME-ACCESS: Mob Login: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer
[2023-05-17 06:24:53.299] GAME: Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) Client Typhnox/(Imitates-The-Lizards) has taken ownership of mob Imitates-The-Lizards(/mob/dead/observer) (Recreation Area (158,137,2))
[2023-05-17 06:24:54.686] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) grabbed *no key*/(Imitates-The-Lizards) passive grab (NEWHP: -117.5)  (Recreation Area (159,137,2))
[2023-05-17 06:25:01.402] GAME-SAY: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) "You are the worst security officer" (Fore Central Primary Hallway (76,158,2))
[2023-05-17 06:25:12.240] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "I protect the station, as long as the station is safe its okay" (Security Locker Room (63,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:25:20.075] GAME-COMPAT: ADMIN: Striders13/(Mar Deudorix) checked the individual player panel for Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah).
[2023-05-17 06:25:22.928] GAME-EMOTE: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) points at the body bag (Recreation Area (157,137,2))
[2023-05-17 06:25:26.783] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "We have more productive things to do than play around with dumb ass assistants games" (Security Locker Room (63,103,2))
[2023-05-17 06:25:37.536] GAME-SAY: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) "thats exactly what you are doing" (Bar (80,132,2))
[2023-05-17 06:25:42.589] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) cast the spell Mansus Grasp. (Recreation Area (155,136,2))
[2023-05-17 06:25:46.469] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "No, its over now, now I can do my job" (Security (72,107,2))

**GRUESOME CAT SACRIFICE**

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[2023-05-17 06:26:16.962] ATTACK: Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) sacrificed *no key*/(Imitates-The-Lizards) (NEWHP: -117.5)  (Recreation Area (155,137,2))

More arguing between B&E. (Jose and Imitates have been snipped.)

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[2023-05-17 06:27:10.293] GAME-SAY: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) "boris why the fuck would you let them take the perma" (Port Primary Hallway (54,125,2))
[2023-05-17 06:27:19.521] GAME-SAY: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) "thats what I want to know" (Port Primary Hallway (54,125,2))
[2023-05-17 06:27:33.592] GAME-EMOTE: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) laughs. (Brig Entrance (70,117,2))
[2023-05-17 06:27:47.570] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "Because its not a fuckin issue, you need to build rapport with assistants." (Brig Entrance (73,117,2))
[2023-05-17 06:28:08.397] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "You wanna waste more time chasing them? Playing around with dumb ass assistants." (Brig Entrance (74,120,2))
[2023-05-17 06:28:14.973] GAME-SAY: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) "we are not in the business of selling sex slaves" (Security (57,94,2))
[2023-05-17 06:28:27.972] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "And we didnt sell them" (Departures Security Checkpoint (42,116,2))
[2023-05-17 06:28:38.068] GAME-SAY: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) "that prisoner was company property" (Security (70,108,2))
[2023-05-17 06:28:46.723] GAME-SAY: Axisarm/(Earnest Spargo) "IS company property" (Brig (74,110,2))
[2023-05-17 06:29:00.231] GAME-SAY: Attrition/(Boris Kantrowitz) "Dude shut the FUCK UP and help me with the gorilla" (Brig Entrance (74,117,2))

Quick edit for forum admins to answer: When I post logs like this, should I include them in the main thread or are they fine in the player's club?

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 2:34 pm**

Mice World wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 2:29 pm logs

You know you can just post them in the actual thread

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 2:35 pm**

Archie700 wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 2:34 pm
Mice World wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 2:29 pm logs
You know you can just post them in the actual thread

I dunno. I just want to be 100% sure. I don't really mind posting them here anyway.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 2:38 pm**

I think it's generally fine if a antag convinces someone to do something they wouldn't normally do. It's a game with misinformation and such at it's core.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 2:44 pm**

kinda fucked up on sec's part ngl

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 2:55 pm**

Striders13 wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 2:50 pm This post

Yeah the guy was talked to and did try to heal, so this was just a ban request

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 2:55 pm**

this is insanely funny and if someone asked for a prisoner like a pokemon i too would have given em them

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 3:48 pm**

Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 1:29 pm This is cringe and the secoff should be given a bollocking for this. It's not like it was an MD or the RD who asked, just some random hobo greyshirt walked in, demanded a prisoner and was handed him in cuffs. That's the same as just opening the brig doors and throwing the prisoners out roundstart as far as I'm concerned, and sec aren't meant to do that either.

Sec can release the perma prisoners round start if they want to on LRP

In this thread headmins disallowed promoting the prisoners to sec FNR/round start on MRP only.
So it stands to reason that you would be allowed to promote prisoners to security roundstart if you wanted to on LRP, which is essentially the same thing as releasing them.

edit: I forgot the thread because im dumb
viewtopic.php?p=576934#p576934

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 3:49 pm**

Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 3:27 pm Actually, you know what? I was upset at the time, but I think it's much more funny and valuable to have a golden green pass from Striders to fuck with imprisoned non-antag crew with no limits. I'm gonna just go play security and start strangling people to death in the middle of the Brig if they get a perma sentence from the HoS or Captain for breaking into the Captain's office or something, or selling them off as slaves to the highest bidder after they break into Tech Storage to be used in cruel experiments (Remember, my crime was tax evasion. Literally not even as bad as b and e.). Not how I thought Security was going to work, but this incident has really opened my eyes to the possibilities of what you can do as Security. Feel free to close this, I would much rather ascend to a new higher tier of shitsec than ever before than see some random noted.

This ain't it, chief. Even if you're mad about Striders' decision, this super ain't it.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 4:00 pm**

"You can freely grief roundstart prisoners" is just a bad take.
Roleplay wise, they're in prison for a reason. If Central wanted them dead, they would be. If they wanted them to suffer cruel experiments, they'd tell the crew as much. Being held prisoner is implied by their title, torture is not.
Rules-wise, they're not antagonists, don't have relaxed escalation, and giving them to any rando who walks up is a huge rule 1 break- especially when the rando is stated to have violent intent.

Still, I'd worry about punishing for this- I'd rather this interaction with a prisoner than no interaction at all, which is what security usually does.

Also, agree with Vekter here, you're better than this Imitates.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 4:18 pm**

Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 3:27 pm Actually, you know what? I was upset at the time, but I think it's much more funny and valuable to have a golden green pass from Striders to fuck with imprisoned non-antag crew with no limits. I'm gonna just go play security and start strangling people to death in the middle of the Brig if they get a perma sentence from the HoS or Captain for breaking into the Captain's office or something, or selling them off as slaves to the highest bidder after they break into Tech Storage to be used in cruel experiments (Remember, my crime was tax evasion. Literally not even as bad as b and e.). Not how I thought Security was going to work, but this incident has really opened my eyes to the possibilities of what you can do as Security. Feel free to close this, I would much rather ascend to a new higher tier of shitsec than ever before than see some random noted.

This analogy might be fucked up, but just hear me out. This also not me speaking as a admin, this is me speaking as a player and this opinion, unlike my other ones, suck.

Imagine, if you will, someone pushed you, or, whatever, and tumbled you over into a nearby hole. He realizes what he has done then recovers you, drags you to the hospital, and gets arrested by the proper authorities. After you recover (it wasn’t that bad of a fall) you proceed to file a complaint to the police department arguing that instead they should’ve been given the a higher/life sentience. The officers cross their arms and argue that they have already given a stern talking to not to do it again.

Then, you proceed to shout aloud “THIS HAS INSPIRED ME!! I CAN’T BELIEVE HOW MUCH POSSIBILITIES YOU CAN DO AS A PERSON! I’M GOING TO COMMIT CRIMES, STAB SOMEONE, AND PUSH THEM INTO A 10 FEET DEEP HOLE!”

Come on, you’re better than this. Not only is this stupid, it literally takes it too far for a stupid video game, where you’re supposed to accept the horrible possibilities of your character as a prisoner. But, yeah, honestly, the point of round start killing prisoners is super lame, and a ruling should be done to disallow that. I just don’t want them to be stupid and take rule enforcement the completely opposite way. It sucks.

Just because one admin allows something, doesn’t mean another allows it. Stop thinking we are omnipresent. We are not.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 5:06 pm**

Reminder that the wiki encourages new players to take the Prisoner role to learn the basics of the game. I don't think I need to explain to you what a new player would've thought if this had happened to them.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 5:22 pm**

Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 3:27 pm Actually, you know what? I was upset at the time, but I think it's much more funny and valuable to have a golden green pass from Striders to fuck with imprisoned non-antag crew with no limits. I'm gonna just go play security and start strangling people to death in the middle of the Brig if they get a perma sentence from the HoS or Captain for breaking into the Captain's office or something, or selling them off as slaves to the highest bidder after they break into Tech Storage to be used in cruel experiments (Remember, my crime was tax evasion. Literally not even as bad as b and e.). Not how I thought Security was going to work, but this incident has really opened my eyes to the possibilities of what you can do as Security. Feel free to close this, I would much rather ascend to a new higher tier of shitsec than ever before than see some random noted.

Anyone who says or does something like this deserves to immediately be hurled in the sun. It’s so infuriating and it happens all the time. We get it, stripping a ruling of all context and broadly applying it to every possible situation gives you freedom to run around the halls shooting people and it’s not your fault it’s the admin’s. Gold star for your original and creative thought that no one else has ever thought of in the entire history of tgstation. You truly are an innovator.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 5:39 pm**

how fuckin childish

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 5:44 pm**

... the good ending????

Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 5:24 pm Oh, I'm sorry, did you think I was being sarcastic? I wasn't. I unironically went and tried it in the next shift and sold an (apparently traitor) assistant into slavery who broke into EVA to the QM for 300cr, which was well received by the crew of the shift at large. I genuinely think we should explore the depths of what level of fuckery is allowed with prisoners, and I am in no way upset any more, and am quite thankful to you for allowing me to realize there is genuine roleplay depth to be had in this space. Perhaps this could be turned into a Policy Discussion.

this is incredibly funny. god bless.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 5:48 pm**

Funny but also very stupid. I look forward to reading an entertaining ban appeal, if nothing else.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 5:55 pm**

conrad wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 9:52 am What a crybaby lmao

Conrad's right.
sec gref me(perma prisoner) pls note he!1!

Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 3:27 pm Actually, you know what? I was upset at the time, but I think it's much more funny and valuable to have a golden green pass from Striders to fuck with imprisoned non-antag crew with no limits

That plot twist, though...

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 6:00 pm**

One day I’m going to admin Sybil and experience this first hand.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 6:25 pm**

I really do think there's a difference between what happened here and what Striders thinks happened here.

I'm totally okay with the idea of sec selling or giving prisoners to the research departments for experiments, not to random crewmembers to do whatever they want with them.

Random experimentation on corporate criminals is based. Slavery is cringe.

Do I think that means the complaint should be successful or that further action needs to be taken? No, I think telling the guy off is fine if he's relatively new.

E: Also the complaint is stupid and Typhnox is being even stupider.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 6:35 pm**

Epicgamer545 wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 4:18 pm Then, you proceed to shout aloud “THIS HAS INSPIRED ME!! I CAN’T BELIEVE HOW MUCH POSSIBILITIES YOU CAN DO AS A PERSON! I’M GOING TO COMMIT CRIMES, STAB SOMEONE, AND PUSH THEM INTO A 10 FEET DEEP HOLE!”

Come on, you’re better than this. Not only is this stupid, it literally takes it too far for a stupid video game, where you’re supposed to accept the horrible possibilities of your character as a prisoner. But, yeah, honestly, the point of round start killing prisoners is super lame, and a ruling should be done to disallow that. I just don’t want them to be stupid and take rule enforcement the completely opposite way. It sucks.

Pretty based that THE Alice Heart then admits to doing the exact thing Stiders says isn't okay, seems the sticky conversion therapy to not be an ancap didn't pay off, still just chasing the bag with slavery as the punchline.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 7:18 pm**

As a frequent prisoner player, I'd much rather get passed off to a department for extremely flimsy reasons (or otherwise be voluntold to do dangerous/unwise things, like exploring an unchecked gateway) than just get sold to some rando; I've had security and command give me offers like this, but never involving a random assistant. Prisoners are sec's responsibility, after all, so at least IC it'd make sense to get offered benefits, special treatment, parole, etc. by someone with a big hat in exchange for going along with something that's almost certainly going to go badly for me. They have the authority to do that, after all. I think it's a far more interesting solution to people not wanting to check on perma than just ignoring or freeing prisoners outright! I only play on Manuel, however, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Also, inmates are technically still CentComm's property. They're probably going to get mad if they hear someone's trying to profit off their stuff.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 7:31 pm**

NoxVS wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 5:22 pm Anyone who says or does something like this deserves to immediately be hurled in the sun. It’s so infuriating and it happens all the time. We get it, stripping a ruling of all context and broadly applying it to every possible situation gives you freedom to run around the halls shooting people and it’s not your fault it’s the admin’s. Gold star for your original and creative thought that no one else has ever thought of in the entire history of tgstation. You truly are an innovator.

I find it very based personally. Like, alright Mr. Admin, you REALLY think what they did was okay? You’re sure of that? Gonna just IC issue it are ya? Well how bout I do the same damn thing next round how bout that? You THAT confident in your ruling huh? Let’s find out…

It’s incredibly petty but I find it very funny so I’m here for it. Unfortunately it doesn’t apply here since Striders did warn them

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 8:34 pm**

Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 6:26 pm
vect0r wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 5:28 pm To clarify, are you closing the complaint?
I think it would be harmful and restrictive to roleplay at this time. Also hush Chadley, this is a game, not real life, ancapping in a corporate dystopia makes sense.

I know what must be said, but I don't think I wanna eat a ban for it.

viewtopic.php?p=648402#p648402

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 8:55 pm**

I've been wanting to find a situation to talk about my PR "Prisoners no longer spawn with backpacks" and I guess it makes sense to put it here https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/72892
I made the PR because it makes no sense to give prisoners backpacks. They closed it because removing prisoners backpacks is griefing, so the PR would basically be griefing every prisoner via code.
But is it really griefing to remove prisoners backpacks? They're literally in prison and shouldn't have backpacks where they can store contraband. Being in the prisoner role opens you to some things that would be considered griefing for other roles.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 9:17 pm**

What an absolute complete fucking crybaby lmaoooo

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 9:24 pm**

Very conflicted on this one pals. On the one hand this is emergent RP and it seems kind of perfect for a perma prisoner. On the other hand it'd really suck to have an officer pawn you off to a heretic without a chance to retaliate or defend yourself, then get sacced and sit out the round.

But given they were warned, you don't complaint this type of thing, that only incentivizes more "handled"s, sometimes you don't get the outcome you want but ya gotta just grin and bear it.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 9:30 pm**

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 7:31 pm
NoxVS wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 5:22 pm Anyone who says or does something like this deserves to immediately be hurled in the sun. It’s so infuriating and it happens all the time. We get it, stripping a ruling of all context and broadly applying it to every possible situation gives you freedom to run around the halls shooting people and it’s not your fault it’s the admin’s. Gold star for your original and creative thought that no one else has ever thought of in the entire history of tgstation. You truly are an innovator.
I find it very based personally. Like, alright Mr. Admin, you REALLY think what they did was okay? You’re sure of that? Gonna just IC issue it are ya? Well how bout I do the same damn thing next round how bout that? You THAT confident in your ruling huh? Let’s find out…

It’s incredibly petty but I find it very funny so I’m here for it. Unfortunately it doesn’t apply here since Striders did warn them

The thing is they never do the exact same thing.

I once saw a player who was caught with an AI upload, refused to explain why they had it, and insulted the officer who arrested them. They got executed for it. When told that it seemed like a pretty good reason to kill them, they drew the conclusion that if they play security they are free to execute anyone who insults them on the spot.

Posted: **Wed May 17, 2023 9:41 pm**

NoxVS wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 9:30 pm
sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 7:31 pm
NoxVS wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 5:22 pm Anyone who says or does something like this deserves to immediately be hurled in the sun. It’s so infuriating and it happens all the time. We get it, stripping a ruling of all context and broadly applying it to every possible situation gives you freedom to run around the halls shooting people and it’s not your fault it’s the admin’s. Gold star for your original and creative thought that no one else has ever thought of in the entire history of tgstation. You truly are an innovator.
I find it very based personally. Like, alright Mr. Admin, you REALLY think what they did was okay? You’re sure of that? Gonna just IC issue it are ya? Well how bout I do the same damn thing next round how bout that? You THAT confident in your ruling huh? Let’s find out…

It’s incredibly petty but I find it very funny so I’m here for it. Unfortunately it doesn’t apply here since Striders did warn them
The thing is they never do the exact same thing.

I once saw a player who was caught with an AI upload, refused to explain why they had it, and insulted the officer who arrested them. They got executed for it. When told that it seemed like a pretty good reason to kill them, they drew the conclusion that if they play security they are free to execute anyone who insults them on the spot.

Euuughh... RR over an AI upload board? Man Nox...
But yeah the proper petty response would be insta executing someone they find with AI upload in the future

Posted: **Thu May 18, 2023 1:22 am**

Fren256 wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 5:06 pm Reminder that the wiki encourages new players to take the Prisoner role to learn the basics of the game. I don't think I need to explain to you what a new player would've thought if this had happened to them.

reminder that literally anybody with a forum account can edit 99% of the wiki

Posted: **Thu May 18, 2023 3:37 am**

Fren256 wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 5:06 pm Reminder that the wiki encourages new players to take the Prisoner role to learn the basics of the game. I don't think I need to explain to you what a new player would've thought if this had happened to them.

Removed that section

Posted: **Thu May 18, 2023 4:50 am**

vect0r wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 3:37 am
Fren256 wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 5:06 pm Reminder that the wiki encourages new players to take the Prisoner role to learn the basics of the game. I don't think I need to explain to you what a new player would've thought if this had happened to them.
Removed that section

based

Posted: **Thu May 18, 2023 5:01 am**

vect0r wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 3:37 am
Fren256 wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 5:06 pm Reminder that the wiki encourages new players to take the Prisoner role to learn the basics of the game. I don't think I need to explain to you what a new player would've thought if this had happened to them.
Removed that section

Good, it's probably better off that way.

Posted: **Thu May 18, 2023 5:05 am**

NoxVS wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 5:22 pm
Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 3:27 pm Actually, you know what? I was upset at the time, but I think it's much more funny and valuable to have a golden green pass from Striders to fuck with imprisoned non-antag crew with no limits. I'm gonna just go play security and start strangling people to death in the middle of the Brig if they get a perma sentence from the HoS or Captain for breaking into the Captain's office or something, or selling them off as slaves to the highest bidder after they break into Tech Storage to be used in cruel experiments (Remember, my crime was tax evasion. Literally not even as bad as b and e.). Not how I thought Security was going to work, but this incident has really opened my eyes to the possibilities of what you can do as Security. Feel free to close this, I would much rather ascend to a new higher tier of shitsec than ever before than see some random noted.
Anyone who says or does something like this deserves to immediately be hurled in the sun. It’s so infuriating and it happens all the time. We get it, stripping a ruling of all context and broadly applying it to every possible situation gives you freedom to run around the halls shooting people and it’s not your fault it’s the admin’s. Gold star for your original and creative thought that no one else has ever thought of in the entire history of tgstation. You truly are an innovator.

Wow never would've expected that behavior from this player.

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