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Post by Mice World » #686079

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Prisoners are just like any other job. They don't have a license to grief, so you shouldn't treat them like this.
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Post by kinnebian » #686084

My character was in for tax evasion
they got what was coming! :twisted:
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Post by Jackraxxus » #686085

I feel like using prisoners for experiments is the kind of based emergent RP the job is there to create.
Surely a dystopian megacorporation would absolutely use criminals for human testing.
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Post by Mice World » #686086

Jackraxxus wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 10:03 am I feel like using prisoners for experiments is the kind of based emergent RP the job is there to create.
Surely a dystopian megacorporation would absolutely use criminals for human testing.
I would agree with this if prisoners had lenient escalation rules (or an antag status like abductor). You can't really have a "pick this to get griefed" role without said role being able to retaliate.
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Post by Fikou » #686095

Mice World wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 10:06 am You can't really have a "pick this to get griefed" role without said role being able to retaliate.
why
also prisoners beat up sec that come to their cell all the time is it actually against the rules??
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Post by Mice World » #686097

Fikou wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 12:47 pm why
Because that's rather boring? Like, if you want to treat prisoner like a punching bag, go ahead... but it's clearly not designed for this.
Fikou wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 12:47 pm also prisoners beat up sec that come to their cell all the time is it actually against the rules??
I'm not an admin so I don't really know. I'd assume not. However, I could see an admin banning a player the only wants to fight sec.

My main issue with this is that it's an extremely one sided interaction (Good luck beating a somewhat competent secoff as solo prisoner) and prisoner isn't really designed for this. From what I've seen they're treated like a normal job (It's also recommended to new players on the wiki!), so this is the equivalent of a security officer cuffing some random MD and giving him to a heretic.
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Post by Itseasytosee2me » #686102

I think this was chill. Prisoners being "Just like other jobs" is boing. They have inherent rp justification to fuck with.
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Post by Not-Dorsidarf » #686105

This is cringe and the secoff should be given a bollocking for this. It's not like it was an MD or the RD who asked, just some random hobo greyshirt walked in, demanded a prisoner and was handed him in cuffs. That's the same as just opening the brig doors and throwing the prisoners out roundstart as far as I'm concerned, and sec aren't meant to do that either.
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Re: Local shelter fails to verify adopter's religious beliefs, leading to gruesome cat sacrifice

Post by Jackraxxus » #686106

Mice World wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 1:11 pm (It's also recommended to new players on the wiki!)
Prisoner being recommended for new players on the wiki is stupid imo we shouldn't be telling new players to try the sit there and do nothing/get trolled by sec (as content) job as their first impressions of ss13.
We should be recommending assistant so they can kill themselves on doors as their forefathers did before them, and maybe cargo tech so they can push crates / walk around delivering mail/crates so they can learn the maps.
Someone should fix this big time.
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Post by Itseasytosee2me » #686109

Not-Dorsidarf wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 1:29 pm This is cringe and the secoff should be given a bollocking for this. It's not like it was an MD or the RD who asked, just some random hobo greyshirt walked in, demanded a prisoner and was handed him in cuffs. That's the same as just opening the brig doors and throwing the prisoners out roundstart as far as I'm concerned, and sec aren't meant to do that either.
I made the policy thread about releasing the prisoners roundstart.
The end result was the headmins making a ruling that didn't touch on the issue I brought at all. viewtopic.php?f=85&t=32347&p=654627&hil ... er#p654627
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Post by Mice World » #686110

Itseasytosee2me wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 1:26 pm Prisoners being "Just like other jobs" is boing. They have inherent rp justification to fuck with.
I agree. But it's hard to create a job like this that balances between "This will enable RP" and "This will make sec vs prisoners every round ". Prisoner was designed to be a "chill" hangout in perma role, so it needs a complete policy and maybe even code rewrite before it can move away from being just another job.
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Post by Vekter » #686111

I think I'm okay with using prisoners for experiments, but I'm not convinced that's what happened here? Unless I'm missing something it looks like they just gave the prisoner to a random assistant.

There's a difference between handing a prisoner over to R&D/medical for experimentation and just giving him to a person in a grey jumpsuit.
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Post by WineAllWine » #686112

I think using prisoners as D-class personel is funny.
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Post by dirk_mcblade » #686114

Aside from this incident being incredibly based and exactly what you should expect from a good prisoner round, I have a vendetta against this player for changing the AI lawset to catimov one time. Admin did good.
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Post by Mice World » #686117

Here's the logs for this. I'm sort of rushing so sorry if I miss something important.
Boris is the secoff. Jose is the heretic assistant. Imitates is the prisoner.

Boris and Jose meet. Boris agrees to give Jose a slave "for cruel experiments".
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The disabling and cuffing.
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Grabbing etc, Boris confirms that Imitates is now Jose's.
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Jose starts strangling Imitates.
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Earnest, the other secoff sees Jose and Boris with Imitates.
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Boris tells Earnest about Imitates, Earnest tries to stop Jose, Imitates keeps calling for help.
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Boris lies about Jose strangling Imitates. Jose ends up taking Imitates away.
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Earnest talks with Boris while Jose beats Imitates to death.
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Boris and Earnest argue while Jose starts his ritual.
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**GRUESOME CAT SACRIFICE**
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More arguing between B&E. (Jose and Imitates have been snipped.)
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Quick edit for forum admins to answer: When I post logs like this, should I include them in the main thread or are they fine in the player's club?
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Mice World wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 2:29 pm logs
You know you can just post them in the actual thread
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Archie700 wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 2:34 pm
Mice World wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 2:29 pm logs
You know you can just post them in the actual thread
I dunno. I just want to be 100% sure. I don't really mind posting them here anyway.
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Post by Rageguy505 » #686120

I think it's generally fine if a antag convinces someone to do something they wouldn't normally do. It's a game with misinformation and such at it's core.
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Post by c4g » #686121

kinda fucked up on sec's part ngl
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Post by Archie700 » #686124

Striders13 wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 2:50 pm This post
Yeah the guy was talked to and did try to heal, so this was just a ban request
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this is insanely funny and if someone asked for a prisoner like a pokemon i too would have given em them
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Post by SkeletalElite » #686132

Not-Dorsidarf wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 1:29 pm This is cringe and the secoff should be given a bollocking for this. It's not like it was an MD or the RD who asked, just some random hobo greyshirt walked in, demanded a prisoner and was handed him in cuffs. That's the same as just opening the brig doors and throwing the prisoners out roundstart as far as I'm concerned, and sec aren't meant to do that either.
Sec can release the perma prisoners round start if they want to on LRP

In this thread headmins disallowed promoting the prisoners to sec FNR/round start on MRP only.
So it stands to reason that you would be allowed to promote prisoners to security roundstart if you wanted to on LRP, which is essentially the same thing as releasing them.

edit: I forgot the thread because im dumb
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Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 3:27 pm Actually, you know what? I was upset at the time, but I think it's much more funny and valuable to have a golden green pass from Striders to fuck with imprisoned non-antag crew with no limits. I'm gonna just go play security and start strangling people to death in the middle of the Brig if they get a perma sentence from the HoS or Captain for breaking into the Captain's office or something, or selling them off as slaves to the highest bidder after they break into Tech Storage to be used in cruel experiments (Remember, my crime was tax evasion. Literally not even as bad as b and e.). Not how I thought Security was going to work, but this incident has really opened my eyes to the possibilities of what you can do as Security. Feel free to close this, I would much rather ascend to a new higher tier of shitsec than ever before than see some random noted.
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"You can freely grief roundstart prisoners" is just a bad take.
Roleplay wise, they're in prison for a reason. If Central wanted them dead, they would be. If they wanted them to suffer cruel experiments, they'd tell the crew as much. Being held prisoner is implied by their title, torture is not.
Rules-wise, they're not antagonists, don't have relaxed escalation, and giving them to any rando who walks up is a huge rule 1 break- especially when the rando is stated to have violent intent.

Still, I'd worry about punishing for this- I'd rather this interaction with a prisoner than no interaction at all, which is what security usually does.

Also, agree with Vekter here, you're better than this Imitates.
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Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 3:27 pm Actually, you know what? I was upset at the time, but I think it's much more funny and valuable to have a golden green pass from Striders to fuck with imprisoned non-antag crew with no limits. I'm gonna just go play security and start strangling people to death in the middle of the Brig if they get a perma sentence from the HoS or Captain for breaking into the Captain's office or something, or selling them off as slaves to the highest bidder after they break into Tech Storage to be used in cruel experiments (Remember, my crime was tax evasion. Literally not even as bad as b and e.). Not how I thought Security was going to work, but this incident has really opened my eyes to the possibilities of what you can do as Security. Feel free to close this, I would much rather ascend to a new higher tier of shitsec than ever before than see some random noted.
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Imagine, if you will, someone pushed you, or, whatever, and tumbled you over into a nearby hole. He realizes what he has done then recovers you, drags you to the hospital, and gets arrested by the proper authorities. After you recover (it wasn’t that bad of a fall) you proceed to file a complaint to the police department arguing that instead they should’ve been given the a higher/life sentience. The officers cross their arms and argue that they have already given a stern talking to not to do it again.

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Come on, you’re better than this. Not only is this stupid, it literally takes it too far for a stupid video game, where you’re supposed to accept the horrible possibilities of your character as a prisoner. But, yeah, honestly, the point of round start killing prisoners is super lame, and a ruling should be done to disallow that. I just don’t want them to be stupid and take rule enforcement the completely opposite way. It sucks.

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Reminder that the wiki encourages new players to take the Prisoner role to learn the basics of the game. I don't think I need to explain to you what a new player would've thought if this had happened to them.
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Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 3:27 pm Actually, you know what? I was upset at the time, but I think it's much more funny and valuable to have a golden green pass from Striders to fuck with imprisoned non-antag crew with no limits. I'm gonna just go play security and start strangling people to death in the middle of the Brig if they get a perma sentence from the HoS or Captain for breaking into the Captain's office or something, or selling them off as slaves to the highest bidder after they break into Tech Storage to be used in cruel experiments (Remember, my crime was tax evasion. Literally not even as bad as b and e.). Not how I thought Security was going to work, but this incident has really opened my eyes to the possibilities of what you can do as Security. Feel free to close this, I would much rather ascend to a new higher tier of shitsec than ever before than see some random noted.
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how fuckin childish
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... the good ending????
Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 5:24 pm Oh, I'm sorry, did you think I was being sarcastic? I wasn't. I unironically went and tried it in the next shift and sold an (apparently traitor) assistant into slavery who broke into EVA to the QM for 300cr, which was well received by the crew of the shift at large. I genuinely think we should explore the depths of what level of fuckery is allowed with prisoners, and I am in no way upset any more, and am quite thankful to you for allowing me to realize there is genuine roleplay depth to be had in this space. Perhaps this could be turned into a Policy Discussion.
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Re: Local shelter fails to verify adopter's religious beliefs, leading to gruesome cat sacrifice

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Funny but also very stupid. I look forward to reading an entertaining ban appeal, if nothing else.
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Re: Local shelter fails to verify adopter's religious beliefs, leading to gruesome cat sacrifice

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conrad wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 9:52 am What a crybaby lmao
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Re: Local shelter fails to verify adopter's religious beliefs, leading to gruesome cat sacrifice

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Re: Local shelter fails to verify adopter's religious beliefs, leading to gruesome cat sacrifice

Post by Vekter » #686174

I really do think there's a difference between what happened here and what Striders thinks happened here.

I'm totally okay with the idea of sec selling or giving prisoners to the research departments for experiments, not to random crewmembers to do whatever they want with them.

Random experimentation on corporate criminals is based. Slavery is cringe.

Do I think that means the complaint should be successful or that further action needs to be taken? No, I think telling the guy off is fine if he's relatively new.

E: Also the complaint is stupid and Typhnox is being even stupider.
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Re: Local shelter fails to verify adopter's religious beliefs, leading to gruesome cat sacrifice

Post by Chadley » #686180

Epicgamer545 wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 4:18 pm Then, you proceed to shout aloud “THIS HAS INSPIRED ME!! I CAN’T BELIEVE HOW MUCH POSSIBILITIES YOU CAN DO AS A PERSON! I’M GOING TO COMMIT CRIMES, STAB SOMEONE, AND PUSH THEM INTO A 10 FEET DEEP HOLE!

Come on, you’re better than this. Not only is this stupid, it literally takes it too far for a stupid video game, where you’re supposed to accept the horrible possibilities of your character as a prisoner. But, yeah, honestly, the point of round start killing prisoners is super lame, and a ruling should be done to disallow that. I just don’t want them to be stupid and take rule enforcement the completely opposite way. It sucks.
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Re: Local shelter fails to verify adopter's religious beliefs, leading to gruesome cat sacrifice

Post by COwlbear » #686183

As a frequent prisoner player, I'd much rather get passed off to a department for extremely flimsy reasons (or otherwise be voluntold to do dangerous/unwise things, like exploring an unchecked gateway) than just get sold to some rando; I've had security and command give me offers like this, but never involving a random assistant. Prisoners are sec's responsibility, after all, so at least IC it'd make sense to get offered benefits, special treatment, parole, etc. by someone with a big hat in exchange for going along with something that's almost certainly going to go badly for me. They have the authority to do that, after all. I think it's a far more interesting solution to people not wanting to check on perma than just ignoring or freeing prisoners outright! I only play on Manuel, however, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Also, inmates are technically still CentComm's property. They're probably going to get mad if they hear someone's trying to profit off their stuff.
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Re: Local shelter fails to verify adopter's religious beliefs, leading to gruesome cat sacrifice

Post by sinfulbliss » #686188

NoxVS wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 5:22 pm Anyone who says or does something like this deserves to immediately be hurled in the sun. It’s so infuriating and it happens all the time. We get it, stripping a ruling of all context and broadly applying it to every possible situation gives you freedom to run around the halls shooting people and it’s not your fault it’s the admin’s. Gold star for your original and creative thought that no one else has ever thought of in the entire history of tgstation. You truly are an innovator.
I find it very based personally. Like, alright Mr. Admin, you REALLY think what they did was okay? You’re sure of that? Gonna just IC issue it are ya? Well how bout I do the same damn thing next round how bout that? You THAT confident in your ruling huh? Let’s find out…

It’s incredibly petty but I find it very funny so I’m here for it. Unfortunately it doesn’t apply here since Striders did warn them
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Post by Chadley » #686202

Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 6:26 pm
vect0r wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 5:28 pm To clarify, are you closing the complaint?
I think it would be harmful and restrictive to roleplay at this time. Also hush Chadley, this is a game, not real life, ancapping in a corporate dystopia makes sense.
I know what must be said, but I don't think I wanna eat a ban for it.

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Re: Local shelter fails to verify adopter's religious beliefs, leading to gruesome cat sacrifice

Post by BlueMemesauce » #686211

I've been wanting to find a situation to talk about my PR "Prisoners no longer spawn with backpacks" and I guess it makes sense to put it here https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/72892
I made the PR because it makes no sense to give prisoners backpacks. They closed it because removing prisoners backpacks is griefing, so the PR would basically be griefing every prisoner via code.
But is it really griefing to remove prisoners backpacks? They're literally in prison and shouldn't have backpacks where they can store contraband. Being in the prisoner role opens you to some things that would be considered griefing for other roles.
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Post by conrad » #686218

What an absolute complete fucking crybaby lmaoooo
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Re: Local shelter fails to verify adopter's religious beliefs, leading to gruesome cat sacrifice

Post by sinfulbliss » #686221

Very conflicted on this one pals. On the one hand this is emergent RP and it seems kind of perfect for a perma prisoner. On the other hand it'd really suck to have an officer pawn you off to a heretic without a chance to retaliate or defend yourself, then get sacced and sit out the round.

But given they were warned, you don't complaint this type of thing, that only incentivizes more "handled"s, sometimes you don't get the outcome you want but ya gotta just grin and bear it.
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sinfulbliss wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 7:31 pm
NoxVS wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 5:22 pm Anyone who says or does something like this deserves to immediately be hurled in the sun. It’s so infuriating and it happens all the time. We get it, stripping a ruling of all context and broadly applying it to every possible situation gives you freedom to run around the halls shooting people and it’s not your fault it’s the admin’s. Gold star for your original and creative thought that no one else has ever thought of in the entire history of tgstation. You truly are an innovator.
I find it very based personally. Like, alright Mr. Admin, you REALLY think what they did was okay? You’re sure of that? Gonna just IC issue it are ya? Well how bout I do the same damn thing next round how bout that? You THAT confident in your ruling huh? Let’s find out…

It’s incredibly petty but I find it very funny so I’m here for it. Unfortunately it doesn’t apply here since Striders did warn them
The thing is they never do the exact same thing.

I once saw a player who was caught with an AI upload, refused to explain why they had it, and insulted the officer who arrested them. They got executed for it. When told that it seemed like a pretty good reason to kill them, they drew the conclusion that if they play security they are free to execute anyone who insults them on the spot.
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Re: Local shelter fails to verify adopter's religious beliefs, leading to gruesome cat sacrifice

Post by sinfulbliss » #686224

NoxVS wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 9:30 pm
sinfulbliss wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 7:31 pm
NoxVS wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 5:22 pm Anyone who says or does something like this deserves to immediately be hurled in the sun. It’s so infuriating and it happens all the time. We get it, stripping a ruling of all context and broadly applying it to every possible situation gives you freedom to run around the halls shooting people and it’s not your fault it’s the admin’s. Gold star for your original and creative thought that no one else has ever thought of in the entire history of tgstation. You truly are an innovator.
I find it very based personally. Like, alright Mr. Admin, you REALLY think what they did was okay? You’re sure of that? Gonna just IC issue it are ya? Well how bout I do the same damn thing next round how bout that? You THAT confident in your ruling huh? Let’s find out…

It’s incredibly petty but I find it very funny so I’m here for it. Unfortunately it doesn’t apply here since Striders did warn them
The thing is they never do the exact same thing.

I once saw a player who was caught with an AI upload, refused to explain why they had it, and insulted the officer who arrested them. They got executed for it. When told that it seemed like a pretty good reason to kill them, they drew the conclusion that if they play security they are free to execute anyone who insults them on the spot.
Euuughh... RR over an AI upload board? Man Nox...
But yeah the proper petty response would be insta executing someone they find with AI upload in the future
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Fren256 wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 5:06 pm Reminder that the wiki encourages new players to take the Prisoner role to learn the basics of the game. I don't think I need to explain to you what a new player would've thought if this had happened to them.
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Fren256 wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 5:06 pm Reminder that the wiki encourages new players to take the Prisoner role to learn the basics of the game. I don't think I need to explain to you what a new player would've thought if this had happened to them.
Removed that section
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vect0r wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 3:37 am
Fren256 wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 5:06 pm Reminder that the wiki encourages new players to take the Prisoner role to learn the basics of the game. I don't think I need to explain to you what a new player would've thought if this had happened to them.
Removed that section
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vect0r wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 3:37 am
Fren256 wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 5:06 pm Reminder that the wiki encourages new players to take the Prisoner role to learn the basics of the game. I don't think I need to explain to you what a new player would've thought if this had happened to them.
Removed that section
Good, it's probably better off that way.
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NoxVS wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 5:22 pm
Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 3:27 pm Actually, you know what? I was upset at the time, but I think it's much more funny and valuable to have a golden green pass from Striders to fuck with imprisoned non-antag crew with no limits. I'm gonna just go play security and start strangling people to death in the middle of the Brig if they get a perma sentence from the HoS or Captain for breaking into the Captain's office or something, or selling them off as slaves to the highest bidder after they break into Tech Storage to be used in cruel experiments (Remember, my crime was tax evasion. Literally not even as bad as b and e.). Not how I thought Security was going to work, but this incident has really opened my eyes to the possibilities of what you can do as Security. Feel free to close this, I would much rather ascend to a new higher tier of shitsec than ever before than see some random noted.
Anyone who says or does something like this deserves to immediately be hurled in the sun. It’s so infuriating and it happens all the time. We get it, stripping a ruling of all context and broadly applying it to every possible situation gives you freedom to run around the halls shooting people and it’s not your fault it’s the admin’s. Gold star for your original and creative thought that no one else has ever thought of in the entire history of tgstation. You truly are an innovator.
Wow never would've expected that behavior from this player.
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