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damn this is just like when they reworked my favorite champion in league of legends

yes im stealing this from kendrick because i am EVIL and BAD and an AD MIN

why would somah leave because of a combat overhaul he needs something like that i would be jumping for joy if i was him

i really want to add a SJ joke in here but i cant think of anything that fits

TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 5:18 pm why would somah leave because of a combat overhaul he needs something like that i would be jumping for joy if i was him

This inexperienced noob incessantly accosts me, saying I'm bad at the game. Yet never accepts a 1v1. Lisa, My pixel clicking transcends anything you could apprehend.

all those hours spent in the simulations... clicking on pixels and ignoring all medical advice about carpal tunnel... WASTED!!


i'm hype as fuck. i can't wait for the warden to summon blue swords to their side when i invade the armoury, i've got my full havels and dark wood grain ring READY

dendydoom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 6:29 pm all those hours spent in the simulations... clicking on pixels and ignoring all medical advice about carpal tunnel... WASTED!!


i'm hype as fuck. i can't wait for the warden to summon blue swords to their side when i invade the armoury, i've got my full havels and dark wood grain ring READY

all anyone will need to do to defend armory after swing combat is summon dark magician

It's going to be hilarious when this gets merged and after a few weeks they come back and act like nothing happened

And here I thought the one where somebody asked to be banned until someone else was unbanned was petty.

as someone who has taken advantage of voluntary bans to prevent burnout i say lets not make fun of him for it, if he gets curious and wants to try it we can let him back in

NoxVS wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:00 pm It's going to be hilarious when this gets merged and after a few weeks they come back and act like nothing happened

this is exactly what i did they got rid of intents
(still not seeing a whole lot of uses for that right click, guys)

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:33 pm

NoxVS wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:00 pm It's going to be hilarious when this gets merged and after a few weeks they come back and act like nothing happened

this is exactly what i did they got rid of intents
(still not seeing a whole lot of uses for that right click, guys)

A number of weapons are getting alternative swing patterns for their right click, so I think it'll become more useful now than before.

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:27 pm as someone who has taken advantage of voluntary bans to prevent burnout i say lets not make fun of him for it, if he gets curious and wants to try it we can let him back in

I see no issue with it in general, but I don't think I'd be dunking on him if he said he just wanted to take a break.

Indie-ana Jones wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 8:06 pm

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:33 pm

NoxVS wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:00 pm It's going to be hilarious when this gets merged and after a few weeks they come back and act like nothing happened

this is exactly what i did they got rid of intents
(still not seeing a whole lot of uses for that right click, guys)

A number of weapons are getting alternative swing patterns for their right click, so I think it'll become more useful now than before.

that's awesome to hear. really looking forward to seeing it in action

What the fuck is swing combat are assistants swapping toolboxes with each other or something

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 8:48 pm What the fuck is swing combat are assistants swapping toolboxes with each other or something

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/76928

dark souls combat update it's gonna rule

dendydoom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:39 pm

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 8:48 pm What the fuck is swing combat are assistants swapping toolboxes with each other or something

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/76928

dark souls combat update it's gonna rule

I'm watching. But what the fuck melbert a baseball bat is three times longer (ie three tiles) than a person now? Jfc. A knockback swing is already pretty powerful.

oh well

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:27 pm as someone who has taken advantage of voluntary bans to prevent burnout i say lets not make fun of him for it, if he gets curious and wants to try it we can let him back in

While normally I would 100% agree with you here, Somah rage quit 'cos the game is becoming too casual.

I'm sorry, but this is too damn funny.

s a shame cause from what I understand he was doing better
that said current combat is garbage and it's sad that he likes it so much

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:26 pm

dendydoom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:39 pm

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 8:48 pm What the fuck is swing combat are assistants swapping toolboxes with each other or something

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/76928

dark souls combat update it's gonna rule

I'm watching. But what the fuck melbert a baseball bat is three times longer (ie three tiles) than a person now? Jfc. A knockback swing is already pretty powerful.

there are going to be a near endless amount of balance changes needed before swing combat integrates properly into ss13 combat, i predict by the end of 2024 it should be somewhat serviceable

me enjoying swing combat coming in 2022

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:51 pm

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:26 pm

dendydoom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:39 pm

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 8:48 pm What the fuck is swing combat are assistants swapping toolboxes with each other or something

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/76928

dark souls combat update it's gonna rule

I'm watching. But what the fuck melbert a baseball bat is three times longer (ie three tiles) than a person now? Jfc. A knockback swing is already pretty powerful.

there are going to be a near endless amount of balance changes needed before swing combat integrates properly into ss13 combat, i predict by the end of 2024 it should be somewhat serviceable

oh yeah? endless? name some then

conrad wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:09 pm

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:27 pm as someone who has taken advantage of voluntary bans to prevent burnout i say lets not make fun of him for it, if he gets curious and wants to try it we can let him back in

While normally I would 100% agree with you here, Somah rage quit 'cos the game is becoming too casual.

I'm sorry, but this is too damn funny.

i think its becoming less casual its becoming the dark souls of byond games

TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:46 am

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:51 pm

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:26 pm

dendydoom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:39 pm

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 8:48 pm What the fuck is swing combat are assistants swapping toolboxes with each other or something

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/76928

dark souls combat update it's gonna rule

I'm watching. But what the fuck melbert a baseball bat is three times longer (ie three tiles) than a person now? Jfc. A knockback swing is already pretty powerful.

there are going to be a near endless amount of balance changes needed before swing combat integrates properly into ss13 combat, i predict by the end of 2024 it should be somewhat serviceable

oh yeah? endless? name some then

Really the only issue I see is that most weapons are probably just going to hit 'the same.' It would be neat if shit like the desword had a larger arc but longer cooldown and whatnot.

when will powerstancing be added

TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:46 am

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:51 pm

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:26 pm

dendydoom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:39 pm

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 8:48 pm What the fuck is swing combat are assistants swapping toolboxes with each other or something

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/76928

dark souls combat update it's gonna rule

I'm watching. But what the fuck melbert a baseball bat is three times longer (ie three tiles) than a person now? Jfc. A knockback swing is already pretty powerful.

there are going to be a near endless amount of balance changes needed before swing combat integrates properly into ss13 combat, i predict by the end of 2024 it should be somewhat serviceable

oh yeah? endless? name some then

ok well for starters
you need to make sure all the click weapons dont just get instantly BTFO'd by any swing weapon (it'll be a lot easier to hit with swing over click)
you need to figure out how the block/stamina system is going to work. gotta adjust the stamina damage taken for every single parry for every type of weapon (from fork to desword) and make sure it's balanced with all the other weapons
need to figure out how batons are going to interact with the block system
need to balance the block option to make sure it isn't OP but also not useless
etc

We can make those changes over time. Nothing is going to be a perfect translation, but obviously, melbert is hoping for parity, and where there cannot be parity, that's a good place for reworks (I'm especially interested in martial arts and maybe finding a way to make combos no longer hit reliant but input reliant, imagine that! You just need to do a sequence of swings in a row to get a combo! Just like a proper video game would do combos :U)

I think some things being funky while contributors get to work on improving our content is fine. Growing pains are expected. And our best testbed for these changes is live.

When I heard "swing combat", I was apprehensive. It felt like trying to imitate the steaming pile of trash that is SS14. Now that I actually saw the PR, though, it seems quite cool!

a lot of people will be very apprehensive, these are big changes that we're asking people to accept to a game that we all care very much about. it will take time to get right, but in the end it will lead to a better experience. pushback on a PR puts a lot of strain on the contributor who has to manage it and fix it, and every testmerge which reveals issues will instigate people further into that "revert now this sucks game is ruined!!!!!!" mindset. but melbert is a good dude who does good work and is very resilient, i have absolute faith that his vision of combat will be an excellent foundation that will change the game for the better.

yeah melbert made soup so i trust him

it seems fun but making the only way to block attacks clicking the resist button is weird and dumb, basically forces people to set a keybind for it if they wanna play

yeah i cant take it anymore time without my baby is killing me

Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:01 pm it seems fun but making the only way to block attacks clicking the resist button is weird and dumb, basically forces people to set a keybind for it if they wanna play

It has a keybind by default.

Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:01 pm it seems fun but making the only way to block attacks clicking the resist button is weird and dumb, basically forces people to set a keybind for it if they wanna play

You don't have mousebindings set by now?

NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:17 am Growing pains are expected. And our best testbed for these changes is live.

that sounds painful for a dubious reward

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:29 am

NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:17 am Growing pains are expected. And our best testbed for these changes is live.

that sounds painful for a dubious reward

What is dubious about the potential for broader design possibilities if it is successful? If it fails, we're at the status quo, but if if succeeds, the game is changed completely for the better. If the game is made more accessible to players (especially with regards to latency), and more interesting content can be created as a result of utilizing this new system, which inevitably it will, then any uncomfortable amount of bugs you are subjected to as a player and the discomfort that creates is worth the cost. We are in a live development cycle and we are, the entire community, the testers. This is the concession we have to work with as an entirely open-source volunteer-based game development. We can't afford a testing team like proper development studios benefit from. If you want more content, you must accept that you have to help bugtest.

If the dubious reward is forcing you out of your comfort zone to relearn the game once the issues are ironed out, then that is a wholly personal issue. Change can be uncomfortable, but you would be quite shortsighted to believe what we have had to design around leading up to this change has been anything else but second-rate. No matter how much somah thinks otherwise, there is no skill in pixel hunting.

theREALsomah69 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:35 pm yeah i cant take it anymore time without my baby is killing me

Didn't you take a year off previously?
Seems kind of odd that you can't go a couple days away but you managed to avoid playing for a year prior.

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:45 am

theREALsomah69 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:35 pm yeah i cant take it anymore time without my baby is killing me

Didn't you take a year off previously?
Seems kind of odd that you can't go a couple days away but you managed to avoid playing for a year prior.

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dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:45 am

theREALsomah69 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:35 pm yeah i cant take it anymore time without my baby is killing me

Didn't you take a year off previously?
Seems kind of odd that you can't go a couple days away but you managed to avoid playing for a year prior.

lmao 1v1 me thunderdome melee only toolboxes

theREALsomah69 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 7:12 am

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:45 am

theREALsomah69 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:35 pm yeah i cant take it anymore time without my baby is killing me

Didn't you take a year off previously?
Seems kind of odd that you can't go a couple days away but you managed to avoid playing for a year prior.

lmao 1v1 me thunderdome melee only toolboxes

Fight a fair fight? That's a challenge I won't accept.

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:13 am

Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:01 pm it seems fun but making the only way to block attacks clicking the resist button is weird and dumb, basically forces people to set a keybind for it if they wanna play

You don't have mousebindings set by now?

mouse has 3 buttons and theyre all in use

LMAOOO JUST USE CQQQCCC

NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:30 am

Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:01 pm it seems fun but making the only way to block attacks clicking the resist button is weird and dumb, basically forces people to set a keybind for it if they wanna play

It has a keybind by default.

one hand on mouse, one hand on movement keys, no hands left to press ctrl-b or whatever the setup for people who use hotkey mode is

Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:38 am

NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:30 am

Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:01 pm it seems fun but making the only way to block attacks clicking the resist button is weird and dumb, basically forces people to set a keybind for it if they wanna play

It has a keybind by default.

one hand on mouse, one hand on movement keys, no hands left to press ctrl-b or whatever the setup for people who use hotkey mode is

Well, figure out a new binding, you got a whole set of keys near the arrow keys to use.

Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:32 am

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:13 am

Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:01 pm it seems fun but making the only way to block attacks clicking the resist button is weird and dumb, basically forces people to set a keybind for it if they wanna play

You don't have mousebindings set by now?

mouse has 3 buttons and theyre all in use

$20 for an offbrand gamer mouse, just saying: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08SJ5Z8JL/re ... w_detail_0?

dirk_mcblade wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:13 am

Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:01 pm it seems fun but making the only way to block attacks clicking the resist button is weird and dumb, basically forces people to set a keybind for it if they wanna play

You don't have mousebindings set by now?

game doesnt recognize my mouse bindings

NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:54 am

Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:38 am

NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:30 am

Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:01 pm it seems fun but making the only way to block attacks clicking the resist button is weird and dumb, basically forces people to set a keybind for it if they wanna play

It has a keybind by default.

one hand on mouse, one hand on movement keys, no hands left to press ctrl-b or whatever the setup for people who use hotkey mode is

Well, figure out a new binding, you got a whole set of keys near the arrow keys to use.

tried this it didnt work

There's some cool potential here to actually expand combat further. Looking at the way this works, it would be cool to bake in a counter attack to Carp/CQC where if you're struck in melee you slap them with their own weapon or something if you're blocking. Or a perfect parry if you hit the block after the swing starts but before it hits you or something.

Having a block button will also be so much better than empty hand throwing for carp projectile blocking, imo.

Cool stuff, looking forward to it as someone who always opts for melee over ranged.

Ziiro wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:12 pm There's some cool potential here to actually expand combat further. Looking at the way this works, it would be cool to bake in a counter attack to Carp/CQC where if you're struck in melee you slap them with their own weapon or something if you're blocking. Or a perfect parry if you hit the block after the swing starts but before it hits you or something.

Having a block button will also be so much better than empty hand throwing for carp projectile blocking, imo.

Cool stuff, looking forward to it as someone who always opts for melee over ranged.

there is a block in cqc where theres a 70% chance to not get batonned or stun batoned or any melee stun weapon quite good could add the block into that ig

you use it by being in throw mode