/tg/Station 13

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:24 am silicons need to be whitelisted

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:24 am silicons need to be whitelisted

also lol

also fucking zero out of ten for thread title

i'm going to start keeping track of peoples scores

you have all been warned

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:24 am silicons need to be whitelisted

also lol

also fucking zero out of ten for thread title

i'm going to start keeping track of peoples scores

you have all been warned

Lacran wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 1:16 am The intellicard wiping was fucking dumb, not changing the laws was fucking dumb, refusing to hand over the intellicard to the C.E with the shuttle inbound was pretty questionable.

That being said the A.I didn't know how the disk worked and refused to hand it over. Then had the most LRP baby dick tantrum over being justifiably carded over interpreting their laws in the most conflict goading manner available.

Jeff really struggles to resolve situations in anything but the most direct and brainless manner. In this situation though the A.I deserved to be RR'd for how they interpreted and roleplayed their lawset imo.

If you fail to adequately roleplay your lawset and instead use it to fight the HoS for the nuke disk and express explicit hostility you deserve to be scrapped by a HoS like Jeff.

BrolyButterfingers wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:53 am

Lacran wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 1:16 am The intellicard wiping was fucking dumb, not changing the laws was fucking dumb, refusing to hand over the intellicard to the C.E with the shuttle inbound was pretty questionable.

That being said the A.I didn't know how the disk worked and refused to hand it over. Then had the most LRP baby dick tantrum over being justifiably carded over interpreting their laws in the most conflict goading manner available.

Jeff really struggles to resolve situations in anything but the most direct and brainless manner. In this situation though the A.I deserved to be RR'd for how they interpreted and roleplayed their lawset imo.

If you fail to adequately roleplay your lawset and instead use it to fight the HoS for the nuke disk and express explicit hostility you deserve to be scrapped by a HoS like Jeff.

Jeff has absolutely zero conflict management skills as a human being and regularly does stupid shit like this, the fact that it's the first time I've seen him cop a ban for being shitcurity is wild considering how quickly and easily he massively overescalates.

2023-06-15 04:41:46
Warned not to jump to extreme lethals as an initial escalation. In this case, as a clown they used an esword to crit someone who had stolen pies from them. Understanding once the ideas were explained to them, along with the limits and timings of escalation.

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 11:59 am Sound ban — what I want to call attention to is WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS NOTE???

2023-06-15 04:41:46
Warned not to jump to extreme lethals as an initial escalation. In this case, as a clown they used an esword to crit someone who had stolen pies from them. Understanding once the ideas were explained to them, along with the limits and timings of escalation.

Searched up the round out of curiosity and — HE WAS A BLOOD BROTHER. An antagonist clown can’t fucking esword someone for stealing from him??? Whatever admin gave this note should be batcaved, christ almighty is that bad.

This note is everyone who makes fun of Manuel’s wet dream.

[2023-06-15 02:46:07.493] GAME-COMPAT: ADMIN: Cheshify/(Veekas-Olik) has removed Brother antagonist status from JupiterJaeden/(Comms Agent).

[2023-06-15 02:46:58.889] GAME-COMPAT: ADMIN: Cheshify/(Veekas-Olik) has removed Brother antagonist status from Iwharris07/(Marvin Stubb The II).
[2023-06-15 02:47:01.768] GAME-COMPAT: ADMIN: Cheshify/(Veekas-Olik) made Iwharris07/(Marvin Stubb The II) into Traitor.

[2023-06-15 04:15:50.603] ATTACK: Azura Chitin/(Marz-Witseidutsei) fired at [floor] with the pie cannon (Genetics Lab (144,100,2))
[2023-06-15 04:15:50.608] ATTACK: Azura Chitin/(Marz-Witseidutsei) threw and hit JupiterJaeden/(Comms Agent) with the banana cream pie (NEWHP: 82.5)  (Genetics Lab (144,100,2))
[2023-06-15 04:15:51.034] ATTACK: Azura Chitin/(Marz-Witseidutsei) fired at [floor] with the pie cannon (Genetics Lab (144,100,2))
[2023-06-15 04:15:55.268] ATTACK: Azura Chitin/(Marz-Witseidutsei) fired at [floor] with the pie cannon (Genetics Lab (144,100,2))
[2023-06-15 04:15:55.273] ATTACK: Azura Chitin/(Marz-Witseidutsei) threw and hit JupiterJaeden/(Comms Agent) with the banana cream pie (NEWHP: 82.5)  (Genetics Lab (144,100,2))
[2023-06-15 04:16:08.212] ATTACK: JupiterJaeden/(Comms Agent) attacked Azura Chitin/(Marz-Witseidutsei) with energy sword (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 16.4)  (Research Division (143,95,2))
[2023-06-15 04:16:09.115] ATTACK: JupiterJaeden/(Comms Agent) attacked Azura Chitin/(Marz-Witseidutsei) with energy sword (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -13.3)  (Research Division (143,95,2))
[2023-06-15 04:16:10.113] ATTACK: JupiterJaeden/(Comms Agent) attacked Azura Chitin/(Marz-Witseidutsei) with energy sword (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -43.3)  (Research Division (144,94,2))
[2023-06-15 04:16:10.942] ATTACK: JupiterJaeden/(Comms Agent) attacked Azura Chitin/(Marz-Witseidutsei) with energy sword (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -73.4)  (Research Division (144,93,2))

Isratosh wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 12:22 pm

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 11:59 am Sound ban — what I want to call attention to is WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS NOTE???

2023-06-15 04:41:46
Warned not to jump to extreme lethals as an initial escalation. In this case, as a clown they used an esword to crit someone who had stolen pies from them. Understanding once the ideas were explained to them, along with the limits and timings of escalation.

Searched up the round out of curiosity and — HE WAS A BLOOD BROTHER. An antagonist clown can’t fucking esword someone for stealing from him??? Whatever admin gave this note should be batcaved, christ almighty is that bad.

This note is everyone who makes fun of Manuel’s wet dream.

https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/round/208255

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[2023-06-15 02:46:07.493] GAME-COMPAT: ADMIN: Cheshify/(Veekas-Olik) has removed Brother antagonist status from JupiterJaeden/(Comms Agent).

[2023-06-15 02:46:58.889] GAME-COMPAT: ADMIN: Cheshify/(Veekas-Olik) has removed Brother antagonist status from Iwharris07/(Marvin Stubb The II).
[2023-06-15 02:47:01.768] GAME-COMPAT: ADMIN: Cheshify/(Veekas-Olik) made Iwharris07/(Marvin Stubb The II) into Traitor.

[2023-06-15 04:16:08.212] ATTACK: JupiterJaeden/(Comms Agent) attacked Azura Chitin/(Marz-Witseidutsei) with energy sword (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 16.4)  (Research Division (143,95,2))
[2023-06-15 04:16:09.115] ATTACK: JupiterJaeden/(Comms Agent) attacked Azura Chitin/(Marz-Witseidutsei) with energy sword (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -13.3)  (Research Division (143,95,2))
[2023-06-15 04:16:10.113] ATTACK: JupiterJaeden/(Comms Agent) attacked Azura Chitin/(Marz-Witseidutsei) with energy sword (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -43.3)  (Research Division (144,94,2))
[2023-06-15 04:16:10.942] ATTACK: JupiterJaeden/(Comms Agent) attacked Azura Chitin/(Marz-Witseidutsei) with energy sword (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -73.4)  (Research Division (144,93,2))

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:24 am silicons need to be removed

ekaterina wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 1:35 pm This HOS is pretty based but I'll accept that it's not what you're looking for in MRP. This leaves the question: why is a guy that clearly wants to act LRP playing in MRP?
Come to Terry, man, we'll be glad to have you!

ekaterina wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 1:35 pm This HOS is pretty based but I'll accept that it's not what you're looking for in MRP. This leaves the question: why is a guy that clearly wants to act LRP playing in MRP?
Come to Terry, man, we'll be glad to have you!

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:12 pm its understandable jeff doesn't communicate well with text in game considering his prior ban for metacomming in discord voice chat

ekaterina wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 1:35 pm This HOS is pretty based but I'll accept that it's not what you're looking for in MRP. This leaves the question: why is a guy that clearly wants to act LRP playing in MRP?
Come to Terry, man, we'll be glad to have you!

Yulice wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:35 am People should be killed for being annoying more often; death means fuck all in this game so maybe if you get fucking murdered for being a little shit people will stop being a little shit.

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:47 am I like Jeff a lot as a HOS, he knows his shit and he's pretty proficient. He seems like a cool guy as well from the brief interactions I've had with him ingame (cargo and security don't tend to cross paths too much on Manuel) Probably the only HOS main on Manuel that actually knows how to best use their position to prepare the station for nukies.

However, I'm not gonna lie; I was expecting Jeff to get a ban like this earlier, he tends to default to stunbaton and lots and lots of flashbangs at the slightest bit of conflict. It's not exactly unusual for him to wordlessly baton someone even suspected of a crime and sort it out at the brig (if the station is perfectly stable, then there's no real reason to do this, at least on MRP) He tends to default into unga bunga-ing issues very quickly. I didn't even read the name of the IC character of the person, and I figured it was Jeff, just based on the description of what happened.

POV: You are within one square kilometer of Jeff:

conrad wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:46 pm "Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in TGlee: 'The Sec of Manuel must be delivered over to the hands of forumites, be bannified and on the triple post be based again"

JupiterJaeden wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:04 pm

conrad wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:46 pm "Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in TGlee: 'The Sec of Manuel must be delivered over to the hands of forumites, be bannified and on the triple post be based again"

actually it's a QUADRUPLE post you just interrupted me lol

JupiterJaeden wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:00 pm

I used to wordlessly baton a lot more. Nowadays I almost always use my sec hailer + spam pointing first and if they stop, attempt to ask someone to come in quietly, except in cases where I believe the person is already actively hostile, or if they are an antag I would expect to always be overtly hostile (pirates, nukies, etc.). And I do tons of searches like this without issue, even many arrests without issue. But no one ever cares about that, it's not interesting and no one ever talks about it in round end discussions lol. So it doesn't get noticed.

Here is the thing though, a lot of the time, you can sec hail and spam point and people keep running away. If I go chasing them down with stun weapons after that, I don't think it's fair to call this "wordless" because it's impossible to type at someone who is actively running away from you. And if someone has already refused one attempt to talk I don't feel obligated to try again later, although sometimes I still will, but again I feel it's not fair to call this "wordless" without context.

So I feel like the reputation I sometimes have for doing wordless arrests or acting wordlessly in general is not really fair. Even in the case of this round I got banned for here, I was clearly trying to talk to the AI first before I attempted to break in to the sat. Just a bit before that, when simon ran away from the disk I was trying to talk to him to give it back (it was a threat, but it was talking nonetheless). I tried to talk to the CE before shooting at him. In many rounds as HOS I even find myself reprimanding OTHER security for being too wordless and instantly batonning people.

Also I didn't even start using flashbangs a lot until recently lol

EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:42 am I can fall victim to it from time to time

Lacran wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:29 am It's their first one be nice kendick

TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:27 am

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:24 am silicons need to be whitelisted

also lol

also fucking zero out of ten for thread title

i'm going to start keeping track of peoples scores

you have all been warned

Compared to you everyone is Jesus Christ of Nazareth when it comes to naming threads

Archie700 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:16 am To be honest the whole issue with Jeff and the AI was a case of "everyone is stupid" with Jeff almost immediately trying to break in and not tell the AI why the disk needs to be held by someone and the AI immediately threatening him and not playing by DM ruleset.

JupiterJaeden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:17 am

Archie700 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:16 am To be honest the whole issue with Jeff and the AI was a case of "everyone is stupid" with Jeff almost immediately trying to break in and not tell the AI why the disk needs to be held by someone and the AI immediately threatening him and not playing by DM ruleset.

I did tell the AI why the disk needs to be held by someone, I even very explicitly mentioned lone operatives lol

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:45 am For the record, if the goal is to check the AI’s laws because you think it’s compromised, you don’t “use your words.” Imagine asking a malf AI to let you into its SAT and turn off its turrets.

Using your words only works when the AI is fine to begin with which means you might as well not even card them! Breaking in is the only option that makes sense if you need to check laws cause you distrust them.

Archie700 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 3:09 am

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:45 am For the record, if the goal is to check the AI’s laws because you think it’s compromised, you don’t “use your words.” Imagine asking a malf AI to let you into its SAT and turn off its turrets.

Using your words only works when the AI is fine to begin with which means you might as well not even card them! Breaking in is the only option that makes sense if you need to check laws cause you distrust them.

I don't think that was the case here, at first. The original concern was that the nuke disk was in the AI room, not that the laws were compromised. Jeff even ordered the AI to open the door and then the AI called him out for deconstructing something only 9 seconds later.

Dax wrote:The AI was understanbly irate because someone just barged into it's satellite, deconstructed walls instead of doing the medium RP thing of using words.

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 4:09 am

Archie700 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 3:09 am

sinfulbliss wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:45 am For the record, if the goal is to check the AI’s laws because you think it’s compromised, you don’t “use your words.” Imagine asking a malf AI to let you into its SAT and turn off its turrets.

Using your words only works when the AI is fine to begin with which means you might as well not even card them! Breaking in is the only option that makes sense if you need to check laws cause you distrust them.

I don't think that was the case here, at first. The original concern was that the nuke disk was in the AI room, not that the laws were compromised. Jeff even ordered the AI to open the door and then the AI called him out for deconstructing something only 9 seconds later.

Dax wrote:The AI was understanbly irate because someone just barged into it's satellite, deconstructed walls instead of doing the medium RP thing of using words.

This is what I'm responding to. Deconstructing walls and breaking into the SAT is how you're supposed to check laws if you suspect the AI of being fucky.
Because the alternative is asking it nicely, being let in, and then it turns tasers on and merks you. Has happened dozens and dozens of times.