/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:22 pm**

I just read one of the dumbest rulings ever made on tgstation. viewtopic.php?p=695750#p695750.

What the fuck does "can't use it to fight back" even mean? Expecting a player to just sit there and let himself be beaten is absolutely immersion-breaking. It's beyond stupid.

Even if that wording doesn't actually mean that and I just misinterpreted it, this is still an awful ruling. Something as trivial and basic as calling a ligger that resulting in something as major as a player being "valid" is absurd!

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:27 pm**

It's meant to encourage you to come up with a more original word instead of using "slur but with a letter changed".

Literal skill issue.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:28 pm**

Posting selfies, Vekter? Trying to derail the thread already?

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:29 pm**

if oyu want to be a space racist hold a meeting in dorms or something

whats the problem here

also seeing timber type the words go back to ligrifca tickled my insides

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:31 pm**

I'm hoping to get some clarity on whether Timberpoes really did make such a mind-numbingly stupid ruling (original post's paragraph 2) or instead I misinterpreted his poor phrasing (original post's paragraph 3).
I don't know if the latter is bad enough to make me regret voting for Timberpoes like I believe the former to be, I need to know which one it is.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:33 pm**

Its like speaking as a mime and makes you valid, I imagine.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:33 pm**

Another satisfied Timberpoes voter.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:35 pm**

amazing

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:35 pm**

theres a simple solution just dont say the n word with one letter replaced
if you cant rp without saying the n word with one letter replaced maybe you need to rethink your style of rp

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:35 pm**

kinnebian wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:33 pm Its like speaking as a mime and makes you valid, I imagine.

This is correct, saying the word immediately makes you valid.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:36 pm**

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:33 pm
Another satisfied Timberpoes voter.

SOMEONE FUCKING MAKE THIS INTO A BANNER

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:36 pm**

Am I overreacting, recovering from the shock of learning about this, or does Timberpoes actually just suck?

ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:31 pm I'm hoping to get some clarity on whether Timberpoes really did make such a mind-numbingly stupid ruling (original post's paragraph 2) or instead I misinterpreted his poor phrasing (original post's paragraph 3).

Why didn't he answer my question?

Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:35 pm
kinnebian wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:33 pm Its like speaking as a mime and makes you valid, I imagine.
This is correct, saying the word immediately makes you valid.

At that point, just add it to the filter...

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:39 pm**

ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:36 pm
Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:35 pm
kinnebian wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:33 pm Its like speaking as a mime and makes you valid, I imagine.
This is correct, saying the word immediately makes you valid.
At that point, just add it to the filter...

No; this is funnier.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:41 pm**

Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:39 pm No; this is funnier.

How is baiting people who don't know about a dumb ruling like this into making themselves valid "funnier"?

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:42 pm**

The ruling is if you say ligger you are free to be killed. The reason why you cannot lethally fight back is because it would be used to escalation bait. Think of it akin to tiding into a secure area where you cannot fight back lethally (to prevent escalation bait) but obviously you can like shove them or run away or some shit. You are obviously not meant to stand completely still

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:42 pm**

ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:41 pm How is baiting people who don't know about a dumb ruling like this into making themselves valid "funnier"?

Because we get threads like this out of it.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:43 pm**

ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:41 pm
Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:39 pm No; this is funnier.
How is baiting people who don't know about a dumb ruling like this into making themselves valid "funnier"?

no new player is going to independently decide to say that unless they see someone else do it, so they're only going to be tricked if they see someone get the shit kicked out of them and think "huh maybe i should do that too"

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:44 pm**

ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:41 pm
Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:39 pm No; this is funnier.
How is baiting people who don't know about a dumb ruling like this into making themselves valid "funnier"?

Any valid response I have to this would be a violation of forum rules.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:51 pm**

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:42 pm The ruling is if you say ligger you are free to be killed. The reason why you cannot lethally fight back is because it would be used to escalation bait.

Has there actually ever been an instance of someone calling a ligger a ligger to "escalation bait"?

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:53 pm**

ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:51 pm
kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:42 pm The ruling is if you say ligger you are free to be killed. The reason why you cannot lethally fight back is because it would be used to escalation bait.
Has there actually ever been an instance of someone calling a ligger a ligger to "escalation bait"?

You're doing it now, except instead of "escalation baiting", you're trolling.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:54 pm**

(also yes it has happened before I checked DB)

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:57 pm**

i should ask people to donate space cash to lizrael

also i literally just had a round on terry 30 minutes ago where the CE kept calling lizards "liggers" on radio and then they ahelped when a sec lizard (hates-the-stuns) arrested them and took their telescopic baton

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:59 pm**

This is a complete non issue if you can control your urges to do that one specific act of speciesism, or if you are skilled enough to run away. This is an overreaction unless like you have a gimmick out of calling lizards that for some reason?? And even then skill issue?

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:04 pm**

MooCow12 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:57 pm also i literally just had a round on terry 30 minutes ago where the CE kept calling lizards "liggers" on radio and then [she] ahelped when a sec lizard (hates-the-stuns) [WENT ROGUE AND KIDNAPPED] [her] and [STOLE] [her] telescopic baton

Yeah, that's me, how do you think I learned about this idiotic policy? Who wouldn't ahelp ligger sec suddenly going rogue and beating up "filthy humans" (the same sec who broke down atmos' windows FNR minutes earlier, no less).

TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:59 pm if you are skilled enough to run away

I am so not skilled at running away. I tried running away once, I ran into a ling in maint and died. I suck at running away, I'm nowhere near as good as you at being coward.

TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:59 pm unless like you have a gimmick out of calling lizards that for some reason

Calling a lizard a "ligger" is no different to me to calling a plasmaman a "plasmeme" or calling borgs "silly cones". It's a funny alternative name. Yet we have people like Vekter and Fren255 being all weird about it.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:09 pm**

they didnt kidnap you though i saw you were still in engineering via thermal vision and they full stripped you and ended up giving me your baton later which i spraypainted brown and labeled as poo covered and was gonna give it back to you.

Btw that round fucking sucked because you wouldnt keep the station consistently powered and the only reason i had thermal vision mutation was because of the rad station trait and you failing to keep that anti rad machine powered.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:10 pm**

MooCow12 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:09 pm they didnt kidnap you

What do you call cuffing and grabbing someone? I call it kidnapping.
The bozo eventually ran away when the AI bolted everything and he got outnumbered, which doesn't change what he did before that.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:11 pm**

You should have been lynched for more than just saying the L word repeatedly.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:12 pm**

MooCow12 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:09 pm Btw that round fucking sucked because you wouldnt keep the station consistently powered and the only reason i had thermal vision mutation was because of the rad station trait and you failing to keep that anti rad machine powered.

I latejoined... don't blame me...

MooCow12 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:11 pm You should have been lynched for more than just saying the L word repeatedly.

Ah, yes, I should've been lynched right off the arrivals shuttle because of the incompetence of the crew that was there before me, and because some dumbfuck ligger stopped me from doing my job by kidnapping me.
Truly a thinker, aren't you?

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:25 pm**

This is my favourite thread of 2023.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:27 pm**

I can't wait for Timberpoes to ban the terms "plasmeme" and "sillycone" next. Why not make the default lawset "crewsimov" while we're at it? And we can change the server's name to "fulp 2: non-human boogaloo"!

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:29 pm**

ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:28 pm Posting selfies, Vekter? Trying to derail the thread already?

Ah yes, the age old, timeless, refined "I'm rubber you're glue" rebuttal.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:30 pm**

ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:27 pm I can't wait for Timberpoes to ban the terms "plasmeme" and "sillycone" next. Why not make the default lawset "crewsimov" while we're at it? And we can change the server's name to "fulp 2: non-human boogaloo"!

See, now you're just being intentionally obtuse. Again, trolling - you're doing this for attention, nothing else.

You've been told multiple times that the issue with ligger is that it's literally just an IRL slur with a single letter changed. I have a feeling that you both know and understand this, you're just playing stupid because you think it'll piss people off.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:32 pm**

ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:27 pm I can't wait for Timberpoes to ban the terms "plasmeme" and "sillycone" next. Why not make the default lawset "crewsimov" while we're at it? And we can change the server's name to "fulp 2: non-human boogaloo"!

Plasmeme isnt one letter off from a slur same with sillycone

would you rather lizards be able to call humans that called them the L word the N word (i mean i would but i doubt it would happen)

actually i wonder how well someone would do if they ran for headmin and promised to unban the N word, even if its as satire.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:32 pm**

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:25 pm This is my favourite thread of 2023.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:38 pm**

ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:36 pm Am I overreacting, recovering from the shock of learning about this, or does Timberpoes actually just suck?

No. You suck.

While we're here though, Can we talk about your whole deal? Like, you behave perfectly respectably on Terry, yet you have the most weird forum takes.

In-game you're not far off admin-candidate-material, is it just you forget to take your meds when you log into the forums?

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:40 pm**

Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:30 pm Again, trolling - you're doing this for attention, nothing else.

Don't presume to know my motives. How arrogant.

Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:30 pm You've been told multiple times that the issue with ligger is that it's literally just an IRL slur with a single letter changed.

What I haven't been told is why that matters at all.
If it really was an issue, you'd be adding the word to the either the soft or hard filter. The fact that you did neither tells me you (or Timber, in this case) don't really think it is an issue, you're admittedly just doing this for shits and giggles, at the expense of players who did nothing wrong, and simply used a traditional SS13 fictional slur, but did not know a new dumb ruling, which is conduct unbecoming the authority of a headmin.

MooCow12 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:32 pm would you rather lizards be able to call humans that called them the L word the N word (i mean i would but i doubt it would happen)

This wouldn't be a compromise. The same people who are defending this ruling are the ones who wouldn't be fine with that.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:42 pm**

Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:35 pm
kinnebian wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:33 pm Its like speaking as a mime and makes you valid, I imagine.
This is correct, saying the word immediately makes you valid.

What about identify theft through genetics or a voice changer mask?

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:45 pm**

Longestarmlonglaw wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:42 pm
Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:35 pm
kinnebian wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:33 pm Its like speaking as a mime and makes you valid, I imagine.
This is correct, saying the word immediately makes you valid.
What about identify theft through genetics or a voice changer mask?

If it generates an incident, it's traceable through logs. If it's done to you, ahelp it and an admin can look it up.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:54 pm**

ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:51 pm
kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:42 pm The ruling is if you say ligger you are free to be killed. The reason why you cannot lethally fight back is because it would be used to escalation bait.
Has there actually ever been an instance of someone calling a ligger a ligger to "escalation bait"?

With all things that can be baited it has.

Posted: **Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:59 pm**

Racism skill issue. if you gotta lean on ligger you gotta up your lizard hating game.

Posted: **Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:00 am**

Lacran wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:59 pm Racism skill issue. if you gotta lean on ligger you gotta up your lizard hating game.

The thing is I don't hate liggers, the same way I don't hate plasmemes or sillycones.

ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:04 pm Calling a lizard a "ligger" is no different to me to calling a plasmaman a "plasmeme" or calling borgs "silly cones". It's a funny alternative name.

Posted: **Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:03 am**

idk how it's used as an offhand thing to say for you when it's generally been used as the nword but one letter off

Posted: **Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:05 am**

ekaterina wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:00 am
Lacran wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:59 pm Racism skill issue. if you gotta lean on ligger you gotta up your lizard hating game.
The thing is I don't hate liggers, the same way I don't hate plasmemes or sillycones.

ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:04 pm Calling a lizard a "ligger" is no different to me to calling a plasmaman a "plasmeme" or calling borgs "silly cones". It's a funny alternative name.

kind of, except its based off nigger. and if you're gonna be ingame racist be racist towards the lizard, ideally it shouldn't be based on actual real life racist terms.

If we had other RL slurs being transcribed to use against cat people, you'd see a similar kind of no-nonsense response.

Timber isn't trying to discourage ingame racism, they are trying to discourage people's actual RL racism leaking into the game.

Posted: **Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:11 am**

ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:04 pm Calling a lizard a "ligger" is no different to me to calling a plasmaman a "plasmeme" or calling borgs "silly cones". It's a funny alternative name.

Most people may think you a pretending to be dumb as rocks, but you should know i don’t discount the possibility that you are actually dumb as rocks.

Posted: **Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:16 am**

Itseasytosee2me wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:11 am
ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:04 pm Calling a lizard a "ligger" is no different to me to calling a plasmaman a "plasmeme" or calling borgs "silly cones". It's a funny alternative name.
Most people may think you a pretending to be dumb as rocks, but you should know i don’t discount the possibility that you are actually dumb as rocks.

Mistaking a different opinion for a lower intellect is a sign of someone who's "dumb as rocks". You owe yourself some introspection.

Posted: **Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:16 am**

did you really say "im calling gods" after they took your shoes and make you step on glass... (a torment that lizards are normally faced with)

Posted: **Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:18 am**

Lacran wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:05 am Timber isn't trying to discourage ingame racism, they are trying to discourage people's actual RL racism leaking into the game.

It's good to see a reasonable argument presented at last.
There's nothing wrong with this goal, but there is something very wrong with the way he's going about it.

WineAllWine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:38 pm While we're here though, Can we talk about your whole deal? Like, you behave perfectly respectably on Terry, yet you have the most weird forum takes.
In-game you're not far off admin-candidate-material, is it just you forget to take your meds when you log into the forums?

I don't know how to answer that, other than finding it weird that you think people's personal opinions have any bearing on whether they're "admin-candidate-material" or not.

MooCow12 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:16 am did you really say "im calling gods" after they took your shoes and make you step on glass... (a torment that lizards are normally faced with)

No, I said something similar after he, a security officer, grossly violated job expectations by going rogue (read: self-antagging), and kidnapping and assaulting command staff.

Posted: **Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:22 am**

ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:41 pm
Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:39 pm No; this is funnier.
How is baiting people who don't know about a dumb ruling like this into making themselves valid "funnier"?

this is a valid point, it should probably be put into the welcome text when a player joins the lobby screen

edit: vekters right though this is way funnier

Posted: **Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:23 am**

Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:44 pm
ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:41 pm
Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:39 pm No; this is funnier.
How is baiting people who don't know about a dumb ruling like this into making themselves valid "funnier"?
Any valid response I have to this would be a violation of forum rules.

this is easily the best response ive seen from vekter to anything in my time here on tg

Posted: **Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:24 am**

Jacquerel wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:43 pm
ekaterina wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:41 pm
Vekter wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:39 pm No; this is funnier.
How is baiting people who don't know about a dumb ruling like this into making themselves valid "funnier"?
no new player is going to independently decide to say that unless they see someone else do it

You mean like in the thousand SS13 videos that people can watch on YouTube from before this ruling?
And that's not even mentioning returning players or even existing players who don't read the policy threads.

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