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so what do i do if i just dont want to play cultist do i just alt+tab after pretending to care for 5 minutes or what

request a cult ban or ask an admin to replace you

request a cult ban or ask an admin to replace you

Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:31 pm request a cult ban or ask an admin to replace you

1. any good cult players are already alive (most of the time) so in reality a ghost replacement doesn't even change much (usually.)
2. not gonna let some floorlicker Ghost Player (DEAD DUE TO SKILL ISSUES) take over my character
3. i dont really care that much i usually play cult but sometimes when cult is called i just dont have the energy to deal with them so i just disengage with the round at large just to avoid getting converted and forced to play cult.
4. i think forcing players to disengage with rounds sooner is a bad call. i think you should be able to go "no i dont want to play cult" asap in the conversion process rather than being forced to Pretend To Care (you are never expected to actually contribute to the team, ever.)

high probability of a coding issue. should probably just be a way to churn folks who went comatose in the past five minutes into cultists or other cultist equipment.

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:43 pm 2. not gonna let some floorlicker Ghost Player (DEAD DUE TO SKILL ISSUES) take over my character
high probability of a coding issue. should probably just be a way to churn folks who went comatose in the past five minutes into cultists or other cultist equipment.

looks to me like it's a high probability of someone with USI about their static name

cause realistically what i will do if i dont want to play cult is just move my character ever so often while i go play like skyrim or something in the background now

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:46 pm cause realistically what i will do if i dont want to play cult is just move my character ever so often while i go play like skyrim or something in the background now

You can just ahelp, be offered to ghosts and not have to bad faith waste your time fidding with ss13 while you play skyrim waiting for the round to end.

oranges wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:44 pm

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:43 pm 2. not gonna let some floorlicker Ghost Player (DEAD DUE TO SKILL ISSUES) take over my character
high probability of a coding issue. should probably just be a way to churn folks who went comatose in the past five minutes into cultists or other cultist equipment.

looks to me like it's a high probability of someone with USI about their static name

i associate static names to people way more than i associate their ckeys to them. it's just how it goes. i put zero effort and care into my statics i just dont want the association with Floorlicker Ghost Players

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:43 pm

Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:31 pm request a cult ban or ask an admin to replace you

1. any good cult players are already alive (most of the time) so in reality a ghost replacement doesn't even change much (usually.)
2. not gonna let some floorlicker Ghost Player (DEAD DUE TO SKILL ISSUES) take over my character
3. i dont really care that much i usually play cult but sometimes when cult is called i just dont have the energy to deal with them so i just disengage with the round at large just to avoid getting converted and forced to play cult.
4. i think forcing players to disengage with rounds sooner is a bad call. i think you should be able to go "no i dont want to play cult" asap in the conversion process rather than being forced to Pretend To Care (you are never expected to actually contribute to the team, ever.)

high probability of a coding issue. should probably just be a way to churn folks who went comatose in the past five minutes into cultists or other cultist equipment.

Jacquerel wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:31 pm request a cult ban or ask an admin to replace you

it is annoying to give some rando your static name especially if theyre a clueless antag convert

conrad wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:48 pm

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:46 pm cause realistically what i will do if i dont want to play cult is just move my character ever so often while i go play like skyrim or something in the background now

You can just ahelp, be offered to ghosts and not have to bad faith waste your time fidding with ss13 while you play skyrim waiting for the round to end.

i would honestly probably just ahelp and ask the admin to randomize my character. but also i dont know how to randomize player appearance and not sure if any admins would know how. i'd feel weird asking someone to figure out how to randomize my character. idk like i'd be extremely pissed if the admin says "lolno" and i dont expect admins to bend to my requests like that

I think this is one of those situations in which all that's left to do is cope.

YOU WILL PLAY CULT

just do what TGMC does and change the last name of the mob that gets taken over

"Muh Static Name might be dragged through the mud" mfs must be coping and seething over Changeling and Paradox Clones. Like, get a grip. This is TG, not some HRP server where something like that MIGHT matter

Stop being a bitch and just have fun.

request a cult ban or ask an admin to replace you (and ask the admin to change the name)

also says wrote: This also extends to when Command/Security mindshield implanting an individual to their side in said modes. At most within team antagonist, it is expected players to not maliciously harm their team's progress and assist if they are able to the best of their abilities.

This is interesting. I feel like this part doesn't get enforced(and shouldn't imo), like if sec comes in flashbanging/teargassing medical force implanting everyone what does "assisting in the best of their abilities" look like? Does a medical doctor have to join in on the goon squad, do they have to render medical assistance even if sec are going turboshitters? This seems like a weird thing to say "You MUST be a centcom loyalist" when they were changed from loyalty implants to mindshield implants back in 2016.

zergking wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:59 pm "Muh Static Name might be dragged through the mud" mfs must be coping and seething over Changeling and Paradox Clones. Like, get a grip. This is TG, not some HRP server where something like that MIGHT matter

I hate the idea of my character being controlled by some random but I LOVE paradox clones. It is fun seeing some shitty clone of your character and being able to interact with them in character. With chanelings trying to copy you it's also not as bad as there is an IC reason for why your character is not the same. But for a random ghost role take over? What's the IC reasoning for it? Your character suddenly gets a new personality?... yeah, no. I ain't a fan of that and I'd rather not deal with that. I like playing cult though so I don't have to worry about having my character taken over for whatever reason.

I am going to be blunt here.
A lot of players see their 2D spaceman as an actual character. I play Manuel so it's way more common there. but there are actual characters with self imposed rules and personality quirks. You may see that as cringe but it's really fun to play that way and is why I don't get burned out. Try it for a while! Its like playing DnD but in a spess game.

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:15 pm idk like i'd be extremely pissed if the admin says "lolno" and i dont expect admins to bend to my requests like that

if a jannie knows how to offer you to ghosts they probably know how to change your name too (click on spessman's name in top left, it changes name, ID and PDA in a single click) so just ask, noob. You shouldn't assume admins to be evil and malicious I think. Personally, I always change the name when offering to ghosts because I get to give them a funny name.

Anyway this ruling sucks because suicide is also an OOC verb

if someone holds a grudge because they saw you do something goofy while you were being controlled by someone else then they're a shithead and should stop holding grudges, there are plenty of mechanics that play with identity and taking other people's appearance. if some dipshit gets super bent out of shape about it then you can either tell them "dude that wasn't me calm down" or they can go to scrubby and see that it wasn't you in the logs.

and sorry but the worst players of this game are those that can't cope when things don't go their way. if you want others to respect it when you win then you should be humble and play your role when you get owned and converted. it's part of the game and in all honesty it's a shitty move to just go "nah not playing" when you get converted. there is a difference between not being able to play any more because your house is on fire or the round is going on too long and you have to get up for your job fighting ghosts in the netherworld or whatever but quitting because boohoo you lost but the antag requires you to stick around and play a new role for it to work is some of the most baby shit i've ever heard.

and yeah if you want to be offered up to ghosts but want your name changed so people don't think it's you then i would have 0 issue accommodating that, it takes no effort at all

Constellado wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:06 pm I am going to be blunt here.
A lot of players see their 2D spaceman as an actual character. I play Manuel so it's way more common there. but there are actual characters with self imposed rules and personality quirks. You may see that as cringe but it's really fun to play that way and is why I don't get burned out. Try it for a while! Its like playing DnD but in a spess game.

Wait so this isn't the standard everywhere? You're saying not everyone does this? Who do they play as then, a self-insert?? Lmao.

Don't put any character into the space deathtrap character mangler whose name you aren't prepared to see dragged through the mud. This is a bad situations simulator.

Striders13 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:23 pm

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:15 pm idk like i'd be extremely pissed if the admin says "lolno" and i dont expect admins to bend to my requests like that

if a jannie knows how to offer you to ghosts they probably know how to change your name too (click on spessman's name in top left, it changes name, ID and PDA in a single click) so just ask, noob. You shouldn't assume admins to be evil and malicious I think. Personally, I always change the name when offering to ghosts because I get to give them a funny name.

To be frank if they don't the person who trained them should be fired; this is an important knowledge.

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:15 pm i dont know how to randomize player appearance and not sure if any admins would know how. i'd feel weird asking someone to figure out how to randomize my character. idk like i'd be extremely pissed if the admin says "lolno" and i dont expect admins to bend to my requests like that

Didn't you do some admin training? It's super easy to change a name. I don't know why an admin would ever deny this request. Honestly I'd kind of appreciate the request cause it gives me the licence to name you "Sir Oxford mcDumDum III Esq." (If you asked again I'd give you a more normal name).

I don't think why you think an admin would deny you such a reasonable request?

Cheshify wrote:if you want to suicide to prevent a conversion, that's a skill issue on the cult's part, since they should have had you restrained or stunned.

As Cobby pointed out, this is literally an inconsistency in our rules we now have to put up with, as the suicide verb is not a legal method for AI's to kill themselves to prevent subversion. In that instance, it is regarded as OOC.

For reference.

I really do not like these arbitrary lines being drawn like this. Why is the ghost verb OOC but the suicide verb IC (but not for AI) when they both accomplish the same thing of separating the mob from the player? Because you can do one of them restrained? Are we literally determining whether you get banned on a knowledge check to know the difference? What about the fucking signaller suicide that could be done while restrained?

This is clunky policy for both players to understand and admins to adjudicate because we'll definitely have to come back and consult headmins if this ever comes up. Especially if players work out this arbitrary loophole exists.

It's been a year (or two?) since I've gotten to play cult, but usually I would just ignore the magic part and treat it like revs. There's nothing stopping you from looting armory, bombing sec, or subverting the AI as cult. (Unless the summoning site is in sec please don't bomb it then)
Now, if you don't want to play revs, you should play it like tot without TC. If you think about it sacrifice victims are a lot like assassination objectives.
If you don't want to play tot or revs than just do your job in such a way that it benefits the cult (cut power to enemy locations, make buffs, develop a special nar-sie maxcap to be used for religious purposes.)

And if you don't want to do your job then I have no answer for you.

ALSO you don't HAVE to do anything. If you're a botanist and just want to keep growing plants, you're welcome to!

WineAllWine wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 11:23 pm ALSO you don't HAVE to do anything. If you're a botanist and just want to keep growing plants, you're welcome to!

I mean, CAN YOU THO? If I cult convert John McBarRP and he goes back to bar rp is that really assisting the team? How about the atmos or chemist working on their autism project? I mean we can say that botanist just has to change what they are growing to assist but that is doing something yeah?

Boot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 11:35 pm

WineAllWine wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 11:23 pm ALSO you don't HAVE to do anything. If you're a botanist and just want to keep growing plants, you're welcome to!

I mean, CAN YOU THO? If I cult convert John McBarRP and he goes back to bar rp is that really assisting the team? How about the atmos or chemist working on their autism project? I mean we can say that botanist just has to change what they are growing to assist but that is doing something yeah?

There's no rule about a team antag assisting their team. They just can't go AGAINST their team.

WineAllWine wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:56 pm To be frank if they don't the person who trained them should be fired; this is an important knowledge.

WaW also wrote: There's no rule about a team antag assisting their team. They just can't go AGAINST their team.

This thread is talking about another post that opens with the rule in question word for word.

Now I am retarded even at the best of times but the rule does say "At most within team antagonist, it is expected players [...] and assist if they are able to the best of their abilities." yeah? Can we agree this rule exists or am I just a new breed of stupid.

Boot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 11:50 pm

WineAllWine wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:56 pm To be frank if they don't the person who trained them should be fired; this is an important knowledge.

WaW also wrote: There's no rule about a team antag assisting their team. They just can't go AGAINST their team.

This thread is talking about another post that opens with the rule in question word for word.

Now I am retarded even at the best of times but the rule does say "At most within team antagonist, it is expected players [...] and assist if they are able to the best of their abilities." yeah? Can we agree this rule exists or am I just a new breed of stupid.

no, you're right, I'm the stupid one. What I should've said is that, in general, we don't punish people for doing their job wrong. Even if that job is a cultist.

Striders13 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 10:23 pm

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:15 pm idk like i'd be extremely pissed if the admin says "lolno" and i dont expect admins to bend to my requests like that

if a jannie knows how to offer you to ghosts they probably know how to change your name too (click on spessman's name in top left, it changes name, ID and PDA in a single click) so just ask, noob. You shouldn't assume admins to be evil and malicious I think. Personally, I always change the name when offering to ghosts because I get to give them a funny name.

King

WineAllWine wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 11:02 pm

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:15 pm i dont know how to randomize player appearance and not sure if any admins would know how. i'd feel weird asking someone to figure out how to randomize my character. idk like i'd be extremely pissed if the admin says "lolno" and i dont expect admins to bend to my requests like that

Didn't you do some admin training? It's super easy to change a name. I don't know why an admin would ever deny this request. Honestly I'd kind of appreciate the request cause it gives me the licence to name you "Sir Oxford mcDumDum III Esq." (If you asked again I'd give you a more normal name).

I don't think why you think an admin would deny you such a reasonable request?

[and strider's quote here too]

you know you're completely right i honestly forgot you could just do that LOL

WineAllWine wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 11:23 pm ALSO you don't HAVE to do anything. If you're a botanist and just want to keep growing plants, you're welcome to!

see this is something that also kinda confuses me. because you don't HAVE to do anything for your team. you just can't do anything to shaft your team. ghosting/suiciding as soon as you're captured at least makes it so that cultists don't waste their time further or waste their time bothering "Saving" you later on

You know how in table top RPGs your dickhead GM might let your character accidently get their hands on a "Helmet of Immediate and Drastic Change to morality" and it turns you into an evil scum sucking dirtbag? And if you don't want to play that way you forfeit control of your character? I see it like that.

Either play an evil dickhead or let some ghost be an evil dickhead for you. Next time don't get captured by evil cultist. Its magic.

TLDR; Cope

Double posting.
I doubt the roleplaying capabilities of anyone who can not manage to roleplay their character post demonic corruption. Get good, skill issue.

warbluke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 11:21 pm It's been a year (or two?) since I've gotten to play cult, but usually I would just ignore the magic part and treat it like revs. There's nothing stopping you from looting armory, bombing sec, or subverting the AI as cult. (Unless the summoning site is in sec please don't bomb it then)

This x 100000, if nothing else you can just drop all your cult items and treat it as a free antag knowing you cant go against the cult. Cutting comms and delamming the SM goes a long way for group antags, who can thrive under the chaos

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:15 pm

conrad wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:48 pm

iwishforducks wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:46 pm cause realistically what i will do if i dont want to play cult is just move my character ever so often while i go play like skyrim or something in the background now

You can just ahelp, be offered to ghosts and not have to bad faith waste your time fidding with ss13 while you play skyrim waiting for the round to end.

i would honestly probably just ahelp and ask the admin to randomize my character. but also i dont know how to randomize player appearance and not sure if any admins would know how. i'd feel weird asking someone to figure out how to randomize my character. idk like i'd be extremely pissed if the admin says "lolno" and i dont expect admins to bend to my requests like that

Idk man, I don't speak for all admins but I'm easy like that.

I had to dip in the middle of a revolution round when I was running blind, and everyone knew I was replaced because the first thing they asked was "Wait why am I blind".

It was honestly more funny than anything.

btw if you ahelp to offer to ghosts too much they'll secret note you then antag ban you

remember the note wasn't a punishment

the thing is some suicide verbs make sense ic like using the oxygen tank and blowing up before your able to capture them is cool
but trying to capture someone and they "get too high on life" and die is stupid
so it really depends on the verb, we should probably remove the dumb ones

>how to play cult without playing cult

>go to bar
>set cult sword on bar
>order a drink

you will notice these directions are quite similar to my instructions on how to play sec without playing sec

Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:15 am >how to play cult without playing cult

>go to bar
>set cult sword on bar
>order a drink

you will notice these directions are quite similar to my instructions on how to play sec without playing sec

long day at the NAR'SIE PRAISE!, eh?

ages ago now someone had to go, got offered to ghosts and the ghost now in their body said a bunch of freaky shit to me...asked them recently and found out it wasnt them. Funniest shit ever, thought they were a freak for a good year.

kieth4 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 7:05 am ages ago now someone had to go, got offered to ghosts and the ghost now in their body said a bunch of freaky shit to me...asked them recently and found out it wasnt them. Funniest shit ever, thought they were a freak for a good year.

never letting ghost players near my body fr fr

also ducks you are a noob if you don't want to play cult """"""""""""""""""""""""""""accidentally"""""""""""""""""""""""" die like everyone already does it's not rocket science

Have you tried roleplaying cult instead? I once kept all the shades company all round while the rest of the cult steamrolled.

BlueMemesauce wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 5:10 am the thing is some suicide verbs make sense ic like using the oxygen tank and blowing up before your able to capture them is cool
but trying to capture someone and they "get too high on life" and die is stupid
so it really depends on the verb, we should probably remove the dumb ones

the dumb ones are the whole point of having a suicide verb

massa wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 4:25 am btw if you ahelp to offer to ghosts too much they'll secret note you then antag ban you

remember the note wasn't a punishment

I don't know if this is a joke or not but this wouldn't happen. If I saw this secret note I would speak to the admin in question and ask the headmins to remove it.