/tg/Station 13

(no idea to post this since i didn't find a suggestion topic in the forum)

ok soo i ahelped once a admin to ask if i could do some antag gimmicks and he said "but u gotta be antag" and that led me to think, why would i do antag gimmicks if i already get a uplink waiting to be spent, wasting my time doing single caps when i can just buy a syndicate bomb and delam the sm would be a waste of time, soo heres my idea

it can be on roundstart, midround or lateround

you get nothing, no uplink, no powers, you are sick, you age way faster than other lifeforms, every X ticks and in around 1 hour will die from old age, when examined you have "void eyes and a blank expression", the only way to hide that is to wear glasses or something, what you get however is the ability to cause chaos on the station, its basically a traitor but with no uplink, powers or distractions such as main, secondary and delta objectives, just raw license to unleash your will with a great drawback, however you can be deconverted by the same means as a rev, by mindshield implant or brain damage, its basically a dark god possessing you as a deteriorating shell to cause chaos on the station

id say make it less rare than traitor because my luck has been awful and also make it a ruin reward soo miners can get possessed by the dark energy and it even could be a canon lore thing or something i dont know but im tired of playing 5, 2 hour shifts a day and rolling like traitor 2 tiems, in my 300 gameplay hours ive only rolled nukies 2 times and lone ops 1 time

also imagine the exchange as this, the evil god needs a veil to drain lifeforce from and in return he gives you freedom from the gods restraints temporarily, as once you die you go directly to hell, im also thinking on a chemical that extends further your lifetime though with a limit of like 1 hour and 30 minutes of life, mostly based on ratvar and the tf2 comics because they use australium to become immortal of age

Why would someone want to roll this antag instead of heretic or traitor or changeling??

What’s stopping you from being outted immediately due to a random examination from a passerby or a department coworker?

Is there any upside to rolling this antag other than a time limit on yourself?

Hardmode antag sounds cool, and I never spend TC anyways.
Not sure I'm a fan of the Dark Entity lore though, plus I think there's a moratorium on adding more magic based antags.

Antags that punish you for playing them like obsessed are bad and they should be obliterated from the code

Not to shoot down your suggestion, but this is just any solo antag on LRP, except it sounds like blood brothers without the brother.

This sounds just bad, why would anyone want to be this, maybe it could be a thing on Manuel?

my advice is to simply use your free will and volition to choose not to purchase anything from your uplink or heretic menu or whathaveyou

Yeah, you can just kinda turn most antags into this antag by just deciding to play it that way. Admin assistance if you want to be 'deantaged' by a mindshield but I'm not sure what value this adds. What the LRP freedoms are all about, you can do any number of crazy things as any antag with or without any antag tools.

As for "why would I want to give up my uplink", well, if you added this as a formal antag you're just doing that in code. Every antag that rolls is at the expense of another type of antag ; that is, the game rolls antags by picking options from a list ; you add an option to the list so when it's picked, it's picked /instead/ of something else.

This also makes it largely irrelevant in terms of your "how often i roll antags", adding more types doesn't create more threat in a round, it just spreads out the way it spends threat in more ways, as a standard lone antag the resultant number of antags per round will be largely unchanged, i.e. every existing antag type becomes /slightly/ less common in order to acommodate the new option

Doesn't sound like a great idea, dilution of the threat spend + the opportunity cost of an antag roll is why I didn't like thief - it took away from other things rather than /just/ adding some flavour (my preference was adding another minor-antag-roll timer/threat spend)

(Ruin antags are a bad thing and have been removed previously)

TheLoLSwat wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:19 am Why would someone want to roll this antag instead of heretic or traitor or changeling??

What’s stopping you from being outted immediately due to a random examination from a passerby or a department coworker?

Is there any upside to rolling this antag other than a time limit on yourself?

not really i was thinking more on making soo it has a small chance of being rolled when you dont roll an antag, shifts would most time have atleast 1-2 or in some very rare cases 3-4+, maybe make soo its a sleeper agent thign where u awaken it out of nowhere, because lore wise syndicate posters are made to demoralize the crew and make them turn agains't nanontransen soo it could be a thing

warbluke wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:21 am Hardmode antag sounds cool, and I never spend TC anyways.
Not sure I'm a fan of the Dark Entity lore though, plus I think there's a moratorium on adding more magic based antags.

ehhh its more like a magic disease that can only be extended and not really cured but i admit its a brute suggestion and needs more feedback before it can either become acceptable or get discarded

WineAllWine wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:56 pm This sounds just bad, why would anyone want to be this, maybe it could be a thing on Manuel?

it would be nice if u didn't roll antag to have the chance to become a antag if maybe the code was tweaked to fit that in, soo lets say i dont roll antag and the shift is 30 min in and i randomly roll it, but from feedback ive also tought on the possibility of making it like a "devil's bargain" soo u can either accept or reject it

Jacquerel wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:58 pm my advice is to simply use your free will and volition to choose not to purchase anything from your uplink or heretic menu or whathaveyou

my point is, you have played many shifts to obtain traitor and when you finnaly do you get a uplink to complete your tasks soo why wouldn't you spend it, its like getting superpowers and a house but u choose to keep the house and not use the superpowers, but why not just get the house without the superpowers? also traitors arent really creative these days nor do any gimmicks soo i believe it would be a extra challenge to them, having to do what they love most (grief) at the cost of being perma round removed in X time (like hereditary manifold sickness but comes with a grief license) and not having any advantages having to use their own raw knowledge from the game to best everyone else

iain0 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:51 pm Yeah, you can just kinda turn most antags into this antag by just deciding to play it that way. Admin assistance if you want to be 'deantaged' by a mindshield but I'm not sure what value this adds. What the LRP freedoms are all about, you can do any number of crazy things as any antag with or without any antag tools.

but that wastes the point of antags, having a rare chance of getting a license to grief with some advantages to make you achieve your objectives better, when mine is just, having a med chance of getting a license to grief but you get disadvantages and no superpowers or anything

iain0 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:51 pm As for "why would I want to give up my uplink", well, if you added this as a formal antag you're just doing that in code. Every antag that rolls is at the expense of another type of antag ; that is, the game rolls antags by picking options from a list ; you add an option to the list so when it's picked, it's picked /instead/ of something else.

thats why im sayin if you roll none of them you should get a second chance to get that sweet sweet permission to grief

iain0 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:51 pm This also makes it largely irrelevant in terms of your "how often i roll antags", adding more types doesn't create more threat in a round, it just spreads out the way it spends threat in more ways, as a standard lone antag the resultant number of antags per round will be largely unchanged, i.e. every existing antag type becomes /slightly/ less common in order to acommodate the new option

thats why if you roll none of them it should be a diff chance to also roll it if u dont roll an antag

iain0 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:51 pm Doesn't sound like a great idea, dilution of the threat spend + the opportunity cost of an antag roll is why I didn't like thief - it took away from other things rather than /just/ adding some flavour (my preference was adding another minor-antag-roll timer/threat spend)

(Ruin antags are a bad thing and have been removed previously)

thats why acommodate the current code into making 2 diff antag rolls, gg ez

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when you code it (I wil reject it)

I was not ready for five posts in a row.

these sort of posts happen when you let a 10 year old access the parents' computer

when you code it

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