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kendrick, this take is correct. you are correct.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 3:36 pm grow the fuck up and work on building a longer table instead of a taller fence.
The thing is, this is kinda true and that sucks. The only political stuff you are allowed to do is stuff that admins support.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 3:36 pm admins and coders have repeatedly put political shit into IC
the fact is that you can express all the political or societal opinions that you like, as long as they are Admin Approved Opinions™
if you drop the politics you still end up with:
scriptis wrote: The ban reason is: As an assistant, spray-painted low-effort politically-charged drivel on the chapel floor to bait OOC confrontation. In the ensuing ticket, attempted to bait the admin into politically-charged confrontation over said drivel instead of recognizing the root of the problem. Has a small novella's worth of Centcom notes, and has already been permanently banned prior for similar (sexually charged) drivel.
He's so brave for saying something so controversial.lol wrote: 2023-10-25 04:05:39: Reply from zipzipzapityzoo: call me a relic but I thought people needed thick skin to use the internet
I have never seen this happen. Are there any examples? Either ways, most political topics are probably not a concern in the 26th century, so it's kinda cringe to see it in this game. Fail RP.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 3:36 pm admins and coders have repeatedly put political shit into IC
the fact is that you can express all the political or societal opinions that you like, as long as they are Admin Approved Opinions™
Yeh that's true I suppose. But my point about politics still stands rllyScriptis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:30 pmif you drop the politics you still end up with:
scriptis wrote: The ban reason is: As an assistant, spray-painted low-effort politically-charged drivel on the chapel floor to bait OOC confrontation. In the ensuing ticket, attempted to bait the admin into politically-charged confrontation over said drivel instead of recognizing the root of the problem. Has a small novella's worth of Centcom notes, and has already been permanently banned prior for similar (sexually charged) drivel.
Yeah so theoretically trans rights have been completely solved and everyone has super gender-swap surgery that completely converts all your cells to XX or XY on the genetic level so you can be perfectly transgender, but yet there's trans pins and graffiti. I'm not saying (for my own safety!) that I don't like trans pride or whatever, but this is clearly "an[] example" of political topics that are DIRECTLY supported by admins, and the removal of such warrants a ban.
Writing "you are a pedophile" on a trans flag is hate speech while drawing a trans flag isn't, I hope this helpsSoyoboyo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:26 pmYeah so theoretically trans rights have been completely solved and everyone has super gender-swap surgery that completely converts all your cells to XX or XY on the genetic level so you can be perfectly transgender, but yet there's trans pins and graffiti. I'm not saying (for my own safety!) that I don't like trans pride or whatever, but this is clearly "an[] example" of political topics that are DIRECTLY supported by admins, and the removal of such warrants a ban.
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I literally never heard of NAMBLA before this note but here's an example of something political (trans pride flag) that an admin DOES support and something political (NAMBLA graffiti) that and admin DOESN'T support, even though both of these things are 21st century "Fail RP."
That's entirely fair.TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:47 pm he makes a lot of rape jokes ingame for a pro-lifer. or maybe not enough. i don't know. he's quality control banned from my perspective and I have no temptations to abort that action.
See this doesn't because what he did first was simply start erasing the flags. Based on Vekter's quote:Jacquerel wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:40 pmWriting "you are a pedophile" on a trans flag is hate speech while drawing a trans flag isn't, I hope this helpsSoyoboyo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:26 pmYeah so theoretically trans rights have been completely solved and everyone has super gender-swap surgery that completely converts all your cells to XX or XY on the genetic level so you can be perfectly transgender, but yet there's trans pins and graffiti. I'm not saying (for my own safety!) that I don't like trans pride or whatever, but this is clearly "an[] example" of political topics that are DIRECTLY supported by admins, and the removal of such warrants a ban.
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=34827
I literally never heard of NAMBLA before this note but here's an example of something political (trans pride flag) that an admin DOES support and something political (NAMBLA graffiti) that and admin DOESN'T support, even though both of these things are 21st century "Fail RP."
simply the act of removing the political symbol is in itself a rule violation, not to mention the NAMBLA sprays. If I spray paint the American flag or something on the floor, the janitor's probably not going to catch shit from admins for wiping it up with soap or something. But since he started removing trans pride floor tiles and gets shit for it, this implies that trans pride flag has a meta protection. Therefore, validating the argument that certain political symbols have protections by the admins.Had things simply stayed as "I was ordered to get rid of them", it would be on the CMO, not the both of you.
If you ahelp them making rape jokes I'll give you a Gyroget pistol to do it with before I ban themJonathan Gupta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:53 pm Oh my fuck everytime someone makes a rape joke I have to circumvent my round to kill them.
I have the crew beat them to death, the gyroget would be used to kill myself and others.Cheshify wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:07 pmIf you ahelp them making rape jokes I'll give you a Gyroget pistol to do it with before I ban themJonathan Gupta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:53 pm Oh my fuck everytime someone makes a rape joke I have to circumvent my round to kill them.
we don't ban political speech sir we ban bigotry and low-effort trolling
Gender identity is not political. This is a "you" problem.Soyoboyo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:26 pmYeah so theoretically trans rights have been completely solved and everyone has super gender-swap surgery that completely converts all your cells to XX or XY on the genetic level so you can be perfectly transgender, but yet there's trans pins and graffiti. I'm not saying (for my own safety!) that I don't like trans pride or whatever, but this is clearly "an[] example" of political topics that are DIRECTLY supported by admins, and the removal of such warrants a ban.
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=34827
I literally never heard of NAMBLA before this note but here's an example of something political (trans pride flag) that an admin DOES support and something political (NAMBLA graffiti) that and admin DOESN'T support, even though both of these things are 21st century "Fail RP."
Gender Identity is political in the current reality. This isn't even a question right now. American society is currently tackling the trans issue with what are they? To what extent do they exist? How welcoming ought we be to people who arn't gender conforming? I get that you think that these are all very simple and fall along morally good/bad lines but the fact of the matter is that they are a hot button issue that people are going to use to help guide them in who they are voting for in the political process.Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:19 pmGender identity is not political. This is a "you" problem.Soyoboyo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:26 pmYeah so theoretically trans rights have been completely solved and everyone has super gender-swap surgery that completely converts all your cells to XX or XY on the genetic level so you can be perfectly transgender, but yet there's trans pins and graffiti. I'm not saying (for my own safety!) that I don't like trans pride or whatever, but this is clearly "an[] example" of political topics that are DIRECTLY supported by admins, and the removal of such warrants a ban.
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=34827
I literally never heard of NAMBLA before this note but here's an example of something political (trans pride flag) that an admin DOES support and something political (NAMBLA graffiti) that and admin DOESN'T support, even though both of these things are 21st century "Fail RP."
I'm not entertaining the "what if I just want to clean it up" argument. It's a vibe check. If you clean up all graffiti and don't act like a shithead about it, you pass. If you clean up only the pride flags and get pissy about it when I ask you why, you fail.
Must get pretty tiring killing all those ais.Jonathan Gupta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:53 pm Oh my fuck everytime someone makes a rape joke I have to circumvent my round to kill them.
The right is trying to make it into a political matter, but what is in someone's pants is not the business of the government or anyone but that person. You can argue until you're blue in the face, but it's not a good faith argument to say it's political just because there are people in our government who are pushing the matter.Boot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:36 pm Gender Identity is political in the current reality. This isn't even a question right now. American society is currently tackling the trans issue with what are they? To what extent do they exist? How welcoming ought we be to people who arn't gender conforming? I get that you think that these are all very simple and fall along morally good/bad lines but the fact of the matter is that they are a hot button issue that people are going to use to help guide them in who they are voting for in the political process.
sir we don't ban political speech we ban bigotry hereBoot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:36 pm Gender Identity is political in the current reality. This isn't even a question right now. American society is currently tackling the trans issue with what are they? To what extent do they exist? How welcoming ought we be to people who arn't gender conforming? I get that you think that these are all very simple and fall along morally good/bad lines but the fact of the matter is that they are a hot button issue that people are going to use to help guide them in who they are voting for in the political process.
This is true. Staff members get away with a lot of shit just by virtue of being a staff member.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 3:36 pm admins and coders have repeatedly put political shit into IC
the fact is that you can express all the political or societal opinions that you like, as long as they are Admin Approved Opinions™
for context as the banning adminKendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 3:36 pm stairmaster was recently banned from discord over calmly explaining a differing opinion and was then called a piece of shit after the fact by the banning admin
(this also just happened in a very recent ban appeal)
I dont know if you mean ai's as in ai players or ai's as in people who are botsBoot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:37 pmMust get pretty tiring killing all those ais.Jonathan Gupta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:53 pm Oh my fuck everytime someone makes a rape joke I have to circumvent my round to kill them.
I 100% agree that nothing that goes on in ones pants is a political question. What is a political question is if my tax money is going to pay for any medicine of surgery to alleviate their mental issues. Even just calling it a mental issue is a political problem now because some people just want self ID.Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:43 pmThe right is trying to make it into a political matter, but what is in someone's pants is not the business of the government or anyone but that person. You can argue until you're blue in the face, but it's not a good faith argument to say it's political just because there are people in our government who are pushing the matter.Boot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:36 pm Gender Identity is political in the current reality. This isn't even a question right now. American society is currently tackling the trans issue with what are they? To what extent do they exist? How welcoming ought we be to people who arn't gender conforming? I get that you think that these are all very simple and fall along morally good/bad lines but the fact of the matter is that they are a hot button issue that people are going to use to help guide them in who they are voting for in the political process.
We will not be banning people who want to display support for trans people or any other part of the LGBT spectrum. If you really want to call it hypocritical because we ban all other references to current day politics, then go right ahead. It's not going to change anything, but if it makes you feel better to think I'm a big ol' meanie, then by all means.
So you think there's this big conspiracy where the evil transgenders want to steal your tax money for...reasons, idk.Boot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:11 pmI 100% agree that nothing that goes on in ones pants is a political question. What is a political question is if my tax money is going to pay for any medicine of surgery to alleviate their mental issues. Even just calling it a mental issue is a political problem now because some people just want self ID.Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:43 pmThe right is trying to make it into a political matter, but what is in someone's pants is not the business of the government or anyone but that person. You can argue until you're blue in the face, but it's not a good faith argument to say it's political just because there are people in our government who are pushing the matter.Boot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:36 pm Gender Identity is political in the current reality. This isn't even a question right now. American society is currently tackling the trans issue with what are they? To what extent do they exist? How welcoming ought we be to people who arn't gender conforming? I get that you think that these are all very simple and fall along morally good/bad lines but the fact of the matter is that they are a hot button issue that people are going to use to help guide them in who they are voting for in the political process.
We will not be banning people who want to display support for trans people or any other part of the LGBT spectrum. If you really want to call it hypocritical because we ban all other references to current day politics, then go right ahead. It's not going to change anything, but if it makes you feel better to think I'm a big ol' meanie, then by all means.
your tax money should absolutely pay into a social healthcare systemBoot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:11 pm I 100% agree that nothing that goes on in ones pants is a political question. What is a political question is if my tax money is going to pay for any medicine of surgery to alleviate their mental issues. Even just calling it a mental issue is a political problem now because some people just want self ID.
"x isn't political"Scriptis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:47 pmsir we don't ban political speech we ban bigotry hereBoot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:36 pm Gender Identity is political in the current reality. This isn't even a question right now. American society is currently tackling the trans issue with what are they? To what extent do they exist? How welcoming ought we be to people who arn't gender conforming? I get that you think that these are all very simple and fall along morally good/bad lines but the fact of the matter is that they are a hot button issue that people are going to use to help guide them in who they are voting for in the political process.
edit: though we mostly just banned the guy in op for being an asshole
edit 2: if your political ideology includes "be an asshole to <insert group here>" or "be bigoted towards <insert group here>" then yes those politics are not allowed in this community thank you
edit 3: you can still have them but not here
edit 4: you can find our official policy on political speech here
So are you going to pretend like the existence of a vast and expensive "social healthcare system" isn't a political question or can you just cede this point?Scriptis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:15 pmyour tax money should absolutely pay into a social healthcare systemBoot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:11 pm I 100% agree that nothing that goes on in ones pants is a political question. What is a political question is if my tax money is going to pay for any medicine of surgery to alleviate their mental issues. Even just calling it a mental issue is a political problem now because some people just want self ID.
all health services should be covered by that social healthcare system
mental health is health
therefore
mental health should be funded with your taxes
this shit is being mixed up with freedom of speech/political alignment/censorship/whatever. at the end of the day political leanings should just be blacked out with a marker to decide whether something breaks the rules
my response was political and i'm not ceding to it because i literally left this shithole for this "shithole" because one of the two of them destroyed their economy. you'll never guess which oneBoot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:17 pmSo are you going to pretend like the existence of a vast and expensive "social healthcare system" isn't a political question or can you just cede this point?Scriptis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:15 pmyour tax money should absolutely pay into a social healthcare systemBoot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:11 pm I 100% agree that nothing that goes on in ones pants is a political question. What is a political question is if my tax money is going to pay for any medicine of surgery to alleviate their mental issues. Even just calling it a mental issue is a political problem now because some people just want self ID.
all health services should be covered by that social healthcare system
mental health is health
therefore
mental health should be funded with your taxes
Ok, I know you just like throwing a link towards the rules in discussions that arn't even talking about them.Scriptis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:19 pmthis shit is being mixed up with freedom of speech/political alignment/censorship/whatever. at the end of the day political leanings should just be blacked out with a marker to decide whether something breaks the rules
i'm not threatening you
???
I think we're just using this guy's case as a litmus test to see how fucked we are for expressing our own opinions because we're so radically on the other side of the spectrum from the admin team. Again, I feel the need to defend myself by saying that I still don't agree with this guy, but if we were all plotted on a political spectrum I'd be like 1/4 to the right which is only 3/4 away from this guy (at the farthest right) compared to 4/4 to the admin team (I'm guessing around 3/4 to the left based on what I see).conrad wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:54 pmThis is true. Staff members get away with a lot of shit just by virtue of being a staff member.Kendrickorium wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 3:36 pm admins and coders have repeatedly put political shit into IC
the fact is that you can express all the political or societal opinions that you like, as long as they are Admin Approved Opinions™
However, those two things aren't related. You're peddling someone who makes jokes about raping people with the social justice of /tg/ of "down with the admins".
Bad flag to raise if you ask me.
It's not that anyone's trying to "ban[] people who want to display support for trans people or any other part of the LGBT spectrum," it's that expressing any ideas outside of the expected and vetted opinions nets you a sniper scope to the forehead from the admins. The Intern John ban seems to be such a case but I didn't actually read it that closely so I could be wrong.Vekter wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:43 pm We will not be banning people who want to display support for trans people or any other part of the LGBT spectrum. If you really want to call it hypocritical because we ban all other references to current day politics, then go right ahead. It's not going to change anything, but if it makes you feel better to think I'm a big ol' meanie, then by all means.
Oh yeah I'm sure everyone is leaving those red states in droves to California. Oh wait what's that its the other way around, what a wacky world.Scriptis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:20 pmmy response was political and i'm not ceding to it because i literally left this shithole for this "shithole" because one of the two of them destroyed their economy. you'll never guess which oneBoot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:17 pmSo are you going to pretend like the existence of a vast and expensive "social healthcare system" isn't a political question or can you just cede this point?Scriptis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:15 pmyour tax money should absolutely pay into a social healthcare systemBoot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:11 pm I 100% agree that nothing that goes on in ones pants is a political question. What is a political question is if my tax money is going to pay for any medicine of surgery to alleviate their mental issues. Even just calling it a mental issue is a political problem now because some people just want self ID.
all health services should be covered by that social healthcare system
mental health is health
therefore
mental health should be funded with your taxes
vote for what you want, just remember that when everyone packs their shit and leaves (read: m'ssippi) it's probably your fault mate