Local crackhead yelling at a lizard for eating a moth
Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:27 pm
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If their beef was him being abusive during ahelps the general playerbase wouldn't know but I think they should release the ahelp logs so we could see for ourselves.Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 12:55 am I feel like if this guy was as much of a shitter as the headmins say in order to justify a rule 0 ban, their name would be a lot more notorious in the community
Then again I haven't been around lately but it wasn't the impression I got
Also rare Vekter disagreeing with the administration......
Please listen to the players. Show that you are listening. Closing ban appeals, peanuts, and complaints like that will make outsiders think: oh they are not listening.Constellado wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 3:12 am The problem is not everybody looks in the players club. They might see the appeal and think that the headmin team is not being communicative enough or is not giving players a fair treatment or ways to explain themselves or get clarification. That can cause a sour taste.
I agree, saying KYS to an admin is pretty bad. However, anybody looking at this appeal without reading the players club would have no idea that even happened.
a sound take.Constellado wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 1:34 am I am sort of glad that complaint happened. The things I said in another thread in another players club thread is my opinion on it:
Please listen to the players. Show that you are listening. Closing ban appeals, peanuts, and complaints like that will make outsiders think: oh they are not listening.Constellado wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 3:12 am The problem is not everybody looks in the players club. They might see the appeal and think that the headmin team is not being communicative enough or is not giving players a fair treatment or ways to explain themselves or get clarification. That can cause a sour taste.
I agree, saying KYS to an admin is pretty bad. However, anybody looking at this appeal without reading the players club would have no idea that even happened.
Even if you are.
You folks don't see what goes on in the smokey back-rooms of admin-bus; this isn't the first time I've disagreed with other admins on a matter and it won't be the last.Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 12:55 am Also rare Vekter disagreeing with the administration......
I've seen Vekter doing some monumental slaps on admin faces when he sees bullshit or incorrect behaviour, and I haven't seen him either being wrong or, when he is, dying on a hill.Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 12:55 am Also rare Vekter disagreeing with the administration......
I'm respectful about it. I wouldn't say I slap people's faces as much as I throw my hat on the ground and wag my finger.conrad wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:14 amI've seen Vekter doing some monumental slaps on admin faces when he sees bullshit or incorrect behaviour, and I haven't seen him either being wrong or, when he is, dying on a hill.Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 12:55 am Also rare Vekter disagreeing with the administration......
I think there's a very easy middleground on it.Vekter wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:48 amYou folks don't see what goes on in the smokey back-rooms of admin-bus; this isn't the first time I've disagreed with other admins on a matter and it won't be the last.Bawhoppennn wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 12:55 am Also rare Vekter disagreeing with the administration......
Worth noting that I definitely agree with Xemo's decision to ban Skiwasser - they were given a warning that this might be coming and did nothing to change their playstyle. I just disagree with saying that the ruling about not being able to complain about a banning admin's conduct applies here.
As for whether or not to leave the appeal open, it's not an easy decision. Leaving it open looks better from an optics standpoint, but it's effectively dangling a rope over someone's head as they hang on to a cliffside. There's not much point in giving someone a chance to talk themselves out of it when they don't actually have that chance. I think it would've been nice to leave it open, but I'm not sure what it would've accomplished other than giving Ski more time to talk.
from what i've understood, sk1wass3r was warned about the OOC IC notes he had been racking up. personally i wouldn't say he "did nothing to change" considering he hadn't gotten any more of these ever since iain0 talked to him about it. there doesn't seem to have been any clear communication about his playstyle in specific either from what i can tell from his appeal.Vekter wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:48 am Worth noting that I definitely agree with Xemo's decision to ban Skiwasser - they were given a warning that this might be coming and did nothing to change their playstyle. I just disagree with saying that the ruling about not being able to complain about a banning admin's conduct applies here.
Possibly; I'm not familiar with him beyond what I've been told, so I have to go off of what other admins have experienced with him.Lizardistaken wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 1:46 pmfrom what i've understood, sk1wass3r was warned about the OOC IC notes he had been racking up. personally i wouldn't say he "did nothing to change" considering he hadn't gotten any more of these ever since iain0 talked to him about it. there doesn't seem to have been any clear communication about his playstyle in specific either from what i can tell from his appeal.Vekter wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:48 am Worth noting that I definitely agree with Xemo's decision to ban Skiwasser - they were given a warning that this might be coming and did nothing to change their playstyle. I just disagree with saying that the ruling about not being able to complain about a banning admin's conduct applies here.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35231Vekter wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:26 pmPossibly; I'm not familiar with him beyond what I've been told, so I have to go off of what other admins have experienced with him.Lizardistaken wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 1:46 pmfrom what i've understood, sk1wass3r was warned about the OOC IC notes he had been racking up. personally i wouldn't say he "did nothing to change" considering he hadn't gotten any more of these ever since iain0 talked to him about it. there doesn't seem to have been any clear communication about his playstyle in specific either from what i can tell from his appeal.Vekter wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:48 am Worth noting that I definitely agree with Xemo's decision to ban Skiwasser - they were given a warning that this might be coming and did nothing to change their playstyle. I just disagree with saying that the ruling about not being able to complain about a banning admin's conduct applies here.
Yes, I read the appeal, I just am not personally familiar with his playstyle because I don't play on Terry.Lizardistaken wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2023 10:54 pm viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35231
there's not much to read considering it got instantly locked, but that is what i got from this. the man seems genuinely confused here and just wants to get some info