Assistant makes nutty call, puts the virologist in quarantine
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:52 am
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100%. what im looking for when im investigating this sort of shit is intent. this dude acted with such self assurance that he was right that he made no attempt to check in case he wasn't. if someone did everything the same as this player, but the only difference is that they went out and investigated and still got it wrong, i would let it go because the intent to do right was there and followed, they just got bamboozled through the course of the game. their reasoning is decent, but in a roleplaying game this ooc behaviour has to translate somehow to ic. "has anybody checked on the viro?" "i think the viro made that, i will investigate" "did you make a virus?" "if you didn't then who's responsible for the level 7" etc etc literally anything like this will lead me to believe they're doing a cool IC investigation even if they totally whiff it and get the wrong guy anyway. is this asking for a lot?Jacquerel wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:49 pm I think level 7 biohazard alert is the message for both sapient and non-sapient diseases (this one was not sentient)
if you walk into someone's department and murder them over a hunch and drag them out of the medbay and tell other people not to revive them, without speaking a single word, it's hard to argue you were in the right when it turns out you were wrong
How the fuck is he supposed to know what you are there for? You didn't confront them and ask anything. Some random assistant silently breaks in and the virologist is supposed to make the mental connection that the assistant clearly is here because of the random disease that got out earlier and has already been cured? Why is the virologist expected to see someone breaking into their department and respond with "Salutations my good fellow! May I inquire as to why you are currently approaching me? Shall we discuss this over a spot of tea?" while the assistant's sole word that entire round so far had been "H"?Thonk wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:18 pm for starters when he was confronted he never tried to say it wasn't him that released it, instead, he opted for speaking like every other shitter that gets caught, and has their "fun" ruined by valid hunters. had he actually tried to explain that it was a random virus instead of acting like he got caught red-handed, it probably would have actually done him some favors.
I am dishearted that I did poorly, I did commit to keeping the appeal short. Sadly, thonk never could take the blame for virologist till axle and them learned taking the appeal to headmin is a bad call.iwishforducks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:21 pm cant say im a huge fan of ian’s demeanor. both to the appealer and to the other folks. i get that the second one is just straight up a peanut post but the backhanded aggression towards sinful was just completely uncalled for.
this is the first time i’ve heard of random advanced viruses having names. idk i feel like i’d make the same mistake so i guess i have a little sympathy here. i feel like the best thing that ya could’ve done here is just revive the viro and just tell em they didn’t release the virus in the ahelp- but i guess the viro ahelped pretty late?
they were banned because there literally wasn't a crime being commited
If there's a metagaming group like you claim, the evidence should immediately be sent to the head admins and the players metacomming should be banned.iansdoor wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:00 pm I personally don't see or think you are in the newly found Sybil group discord, that I mistaken for the Terry group. But yeah, I wasn't too please that Thonk was being played with as a proxy for some cheap anti-admin laughs by sinful, dakka, and pegius (the peanut poster). I saw 5 screenshots of what they typed in their little back discord.
As for the snarky, would you find strange that I have seen that tactic before by axle lead metagroup. I saw the axle post in the timing of what he did with Maxeoss and his appeal, (pre-perma). I do request forgiveness on this stumble, sir.
It's "metagroup" not "metagaming group", no one accuses anyone of metagaming.Pepper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:28 pmIf there's a metagaming group like you claim, the evidence should immediately be sent to the head admins and the players metacomming should be banned.iansdoor wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:00 pm I personally don't see or think you are in the newly found Sybil group discord, that I mistaken for the Terry group. But yeah, I wasn't too please that Thonk was being played with as a proxy for some cheap anti-admin laughs by sinful, dakka, and pegius (the peanut poster). I saw 5 screenshots of what they typed in their little back discord.
As for the snarky, would you find strange that I have seen that tactic before by axle lead metagroup. I saw the axle post in the timing of what he did with Maxeoss and his appeal, (pre-perma). I do request forgiveness on this stumble, sir.
I'm not going to investigate what happened around the RR or much beyond the instigation (because if it was a mistake then that should be rectified in the note), but I think it's pretty disingenuous to say that the onus for communication fell on him when he clearly had been communicating over the radio. Coming in to someone else's department when they have no idea who you are and what you're doing there, when they themselves are doing their job, and beating them to death (or at least to crit)... they weren't acting like an antag at all, they were acting like a virologist.Thonk wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:18 pm for starters when he was confronted he never tried to say it wasn't him that released it, instead, he opted for speaking like every other shitter that gets caught, and has their "fun" ruined by valid hunters. had he actually tried to explain that it was a random virus instead of acting like he got caught red-handed, it probably would have actually done him some favors.
I read this and said oh dear out loud.iansdoor wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:00 pm I am dishearted that I did poorly, I did commit to keeping the appeal short. Sadly, thonk never could take the blame for virologist till axle and them learned taking the appeal to headmin is a bad call.
I personally don't see or think you are in the newly found Sybil group discord, that I mistaken for the Terry group. But yeah, I wasn't too please that Thonk was being played with as a proxy for some cheap anti-admin laughs by sinful, dakka, and pegius (the peanut poster). I saw 5 screenshots of what they typed in their little back discord.
As for the snarky, would you find strange that I have seen that tactic before by axle lead metagroup. I saw the axle post in the timing of what he did with Maxeoss and his appeal, (pre-perma). I do request forgiveness on this stumble, sir.
"metagroup" is shorthand for "meta gaming/comming group". Sometimes it's used in jest like metafriending but this is clearly not a joke.Maxipat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:34 pmIt's "metagroup" not "metagaming group", no one accuses anyone of metagaming.Pepper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:28 pmIf there's a metagaming group like you claim, the evidence should immediately be sent to the head admins and the players metacomming should be banned.iansdoor wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:00 pm I personally don't see or think you are in the newly found Sybil group discord, that I mistaken for the Terry group. But yeah, I wasn't too please that Thonk was being played with as a proxy for some cheap anti-admin laughs by sinful, dakka, and pegius (the peanut poster). I saw 5 screenshots of what they typed in their little back discord.
As for the snarky, would you find strange that I have seen that tactic before by axle lead metagroup. I saw the axle post in the timing of what he did with Maxeoss and his appeal, (pre-perma). I do request forgiveness on this stumble, sir.
fair enough that's a solid way of putting itTimberpoes wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:51 pm Incomplete information is a sliding scale defence. The more supporting evidence and IC investigation you have, the more IC issue it gets if you fuck up and the more severe your IC actions can be in response.
There is a bare minimum level of information to which attacking another player is within the rules even if you got the wrong target. "There's a bad virus" isn't it.
A bad virus is a good justification for arresting the virologist pending evidence gathering.
Finding evidence the viro was dealing in negative symptoms, especially the symptoms on the virus, can justify a more severe response. Finding the virus itself in the Viro's labs or possession can also justify a more severe response.
Even on LRP you have to put in the legwork to earn your valids. If you incorrectly attack or kill a player, the best way to get an IC issue if you're wrong is telling the admin all the additional stuff you did to make your assumptions and guesses more reasonable. The best way to get a note or ban is to show you took more serious actions on the least information possible.
Stealing timegreen's WHAT NOW?Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:06 am Local assistant beats coderbus to the punch, faces vengeful wrath for stealing timegreens thunder.
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