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he's the one who organized an OOC in IC shitfest.

i do not want this person to be a part of this community

edit: this should remain in place for at least a full year at minimum

Scriptis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:25 am

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Jonashx/(Jimmy Quark) (DEAD) "you are a 30 year old porn fetishist that steals felinids shoes in a online game"
Jonashx/(Jimmy Quark) (DEAD) "you should honestly get the rope"

i do not want this person to be a part of this community

edit: this should remain in place for at least a full year at minimum

i'd rather have jonashx over the said 30 year old porn fetishist whose entire bit was sexually harassing other players which is really common in tg players for some reason.

Chimpston wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:29 am

Scriptis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:25 am

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Jonashx/(Jimmy Quark) (DEAD) "you are a 30 year old porn fetishist that steals felinids shoes in a online game"
Jonashx/(Jimmy Quark) (DEAD) "you should honestly get the rope"

i do not want this person to be a part of this community

edit: this should remain in place for at least a full year at minimum

i'd rather have jonashx over the said 30 year old porn fetishist whose entire bit was sexually harassing other players which is really common in tg players for some reason.

good news, i permabanned them as well. it turns out we don't have to tolerate one kind of poor behavior in order to get rid of another.

Chimpston wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:29 am i'd rather have jonashx over the said 30 year old porn fetishist whose entire bit was sexually harassing other players which is really common in tg players for some reason.

i seriously put high-risk directed kys speech like this at the same level of as doxxing threats. that shit really hurts people. take it from anyone who's had a family member follow through with it. keep it the fuck out of this community. i don't care who it's directed at, it's never okay

also see tbm post

i understand where you're coming from and i can sort of see it as a bit fair on a scale, but sexual harassment should be on the same level if that's what you believe.

Scriptis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:32 am

Chimpston wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:29 am i'd rather have jonashx over the said 30 year old porn fetishist whose entire bit was sexually harassing other players which is really common in tg players for some reason.

i seriously put high-risk directed kys speech like this at the same level of as doxxing threats. that shit really hurts people. take it from anyone who's had a family member follow through with it. keep it the fuck out of this community. i don't care who it's directed at, it's never okay

also see tbm post

preach brother

TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:31 am

Chimpston wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:29 am

Scriptis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:25 am

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Jonashx/(Jimmy Quark) (DEAD) "you are a 30 year old porn fetishist that steals felinids shoes in a online game"
Jonashx/(Jimmy Quark) (DEAD) "you should honestly get the rope"

i do not want this person to be a part of this community

edit: this should remain in place for at least a full year at minimum

i'd rather have jonashx over the said 30 year old porn fetishist whose entire bit was sexually harassing other players which is really common in tg players for some reason.

good news, i permabanned them as well. it turns out we don't have to tolerate one kind of poor behavior in order to get rid of another.

The behaviour he was presenting had been going on for years within the full knowledge of admins. I'm not entirely sure that your comment is accurate considering the last time someone ahelped it they got off with a minor note. It took people getting angry in the discord to finally get action taken which was a direct result of this. Without this he would not be banned.

So yes, the people who were experiencing that behaviour did have to tolerate basically forever, with admins fully knowing, until this drama hit. If you were uncomfortable by it you did have to tolerate it.

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:26 am

TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:31 am

Chimpston wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:29 am

Scriptis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:25 am

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Jonashx/(Jimmy Quark) (DEAD) "you are a 30 year old porn fetishist that steals felinids shoes in a online game"
Jonashx/(Jimmy Quark) (DEAD) "you should honestly get the rope"

i do not want this person to be a part of this community

edit: this should remain in place for at least a full year at minimum

i'd rather have jonashx over the said 30 year old porn fetishist whose entire bit was sexually harassing other players which is really common in tg players for some reason.

good news, i permabanned them as well. it turns out we don't have to tolerate one kind of poor behavior in order to get rid of another.

The behaviour he was presenting had been going on for years within the full knowledge of admins. I'm not entirely sure that your comment is accurate considering the last time someone ahelped it they got off with a minor note. It took people getting angry in the discord to finally get action taken which was a direct result of this. Without this he would not be banned.

So yes, the people who were experiencing that behaviour did have to tolerate basically forever, with admins fully knowing, until this drama hit. If you were uncomfortable by it you did have to tolerate it.

if you were aware of him, i am surprised he survived your entire term. i think he was a terry main, wasn't he?

TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:40 am

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:26 am

TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:31 am

Chimpston wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:29 am

Scriptis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:25 am

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Jonashx/(Jimmy Quark) (DEAD) "you are a 30 year old porn fetishist that steals felinids shoes in a online game"
Jonashx/(Jimmy Quark) (DEAD) "you should honestly get the rope"

i do not want this person to be a part of this community

edit: this should remain in place for at least a full year at minimum

i'd rather have jonashx over the said 30 year old porn fetishist whose entire bit was sexually harassing other players which is really common in tg players for some reason.

good news, i permabanned them as well. it turns out we don't have to tolerate one kind of poor behavior in order to get rid of another.

The behaviour he was presenting had been going on for years within the full knowledge of admins. I'm not entirely sure that your comment is accurate considering the last time someone ahelped it they got off with a minor note. It took people getting angry in the discord to finally get action taken which was a direct result of this. Without this he would not be banned.

So yes, the people who were experiencing that behaviour did have to tolerate basically forever, with admins fully knowing, until this drama hit. If you were uncomfortable by it you did have to tolerate it.

if you were aware of him, i am surprised he survived your entire term. i think he was a terry main, wasn't he?

He was not very active during my term nor did he get ahelped during it.

The ban is related to him getting a minor note and drama being caused because people thinking the note was unjust and thus making discord drama and pinging chesh(?) Who escalated it

So you told Justice to kill himself instead of the person you were mad at? Am I understanding this right?

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:43 am

TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:40 am if you were aware of him, i am surprised he survived your entire term. i think he was a terry main, wasn't he?

He was not very active during my term nor did he get ahelped during it.

The ban is related to him getting a minor note and drama being caused because people thinking the note was unjust and thus making discord drama and pinging chesh(?) Who escalated it

this is the first i've heard of either of these shitheads and now they're both gone.

you don't need something ahelped to take out the trash.

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:43 am
He was not very active during my term nor did he get ahelped during it.

The ban is related to him getting a minor note and drama being caused because people thinking the note was unjust and thus making discord drama and pinging chesh(?) Who escalated it

you did seem pretty aware of his motif though

TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:56 am

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:43 am
He was not very active during my term nor did he get ahelped during it.

The ban is related to him getting a minor note and drama being caused because people thinking the note was unjust and thus making discord drama and pinging chesh(?) Who escalated it

you did seem pretty aware of his motif though

I'd like to think I was a different person in 2021 and these messages actively make me cringe but hey at least you're not bringing up 7 year old logs this time.

I was not actively thinking of him during my term and does not change why he got banned nor what actually led to it (chesh getting informed after someone ahelped and a minor note got left)

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:59 am

TheBibleMelts wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:56 am

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:43 am
He was not very active during my term nor did he get ahelped during it.

The ban is related to him getting a minor note and drama being caused because people thinking the note was unjust and thus making discord drama and pinging chesh(?) Who escalated it

you did seem pretty aware of his motif though

I'd like to think I was a different person in 2021 and these messages actively make me cringe but hey at least you're not bringing up 7 year old logs this time.

I was not actively thinking of him during my term and does not change why he got banned nor what actually led to it (chesh getting informed after someone ahelped and a minor note got left)

yeah, i think he got caught in a loop of doing things ambiguously minor enough that it was caught by different admins each time and not treated with the severity it needed to be, were they presented the big picture. i did a thorough investigation into the ticket you mentioned and found enough history to link together for his ban the day after the ban regarding this thread came up. (some of my investigation involved your posts above which is why they came to mind, it is absolutely bonkers how many people talked about him doing things with their shoes in the discord.)

Headmin candidate fight!

Collect your stones at the entrance and proceed into your glass houses.

Last house standing wins.

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:12 am Headmin candidate fight!

Collect your stones at the entrance and proceed into your glass houses.

Last house standing wins.

and don't forget to take your shoes off first.

i really don't understand what you're getting at in this thread, kieth. you should stop insinuating things and just say what you mean.

i don't get why what tbm posted would make you respond like this. two losers are out of the community and we're better off for it. you're critical of those who have been supposedly putting up with it for years, but apparently so have you?

unless you're suggesting they were ignored on purpose and they're not just one of the many cretins that find a way to slip through the cracks for too long, maybe we should just be glad they're out of here?

dendydoom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:16 am i really don't understand what you're getting at in this thread, kieth. you should stop insinuating things and just say what you mean.

i don't get why what tbm posted would make you respond like this. two losers are out of the community and we're better off for it. you're critical of those who have been supposedly putting up with it for years, but apparently so have you?

unless you're suggesting they were ignored on purpose and they're not just one of the many cretins that find a way to slip through the cracks for too long, maybe we should just be glad they're out of here?

I have said exactly what I mean. The ban was the escalation of discord drama. They got ahelped and minorly noted. This was brought up in the discord as drama because people did not feel it was enough and then they got banned for it. The drama was caused by this ban. If this did not happen there would be no ban.

You are free to say I tolerated it because of my 2021(lol) chat logs if you want but that was a different kind of behaviour. Sometimes drama is the only way to remove people as opposed to not tolerating their behaviour.

Does this make more sense?

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:47 am

dendydoom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:16 am i really don't understand what you're getting at in this thread, kieth. you should stop insinuating things and just say what you mean.

i don't get why what tbm posted would make you respond like this. two losers are out of the community and we're better off for it. you're critical of those who have been supposedly putting up with it for years, but apparently so have you?

unless you're suggesting they were ignored on purpose and they're not just one of the many cretins that find a way to slip through the cracks for too long, maybe we should just be glad they're out of here?

I have said exactly what I mean. The ban was the escalation of discord drama. They got ahelped and minorly noted. This was brought up in the discord as drama because people did not feel it was enough and then they got banned for it. The drama was caused by this ban. If this did not happen there would be no ban.

You are free to say I tolerated it because of my 2021(lol) chat logs if you want but that was a different kind of behaviour. Sometimes drama is the only way to remove people as opposed to not tolerating their behaviour.

Does this make more sense?

sorry, not really. this is not some callout i'm trying to make on you, if i was then i would just say it.

i'm literally just trying to understand.

i've asked around for more of the story and been shown the threads that illuminated what was going on here which lead to their ban.

in none of them do i see anything about someone needing to tell someone else to "get the rope" being integral to this process.

i will agree that sometimes players need to make noise around another player to get their behaviour noticed. it is unfortunate and i wish these things would not slip through the cracks like this.

in the appeal it is only one of two times he's told people to kill themselves. i am fine with both of these users being gone.

dendydoom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:04 am

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:47 am

dendydoom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:16 am i really don't understand what you're getting at in this thread, kieth. you should stop insinuating things and just say what you mean.

i don't get why what tbm posted would make you respond like this. two losers are out of the community and we're better off for it. you're critical of those who have been supposedly putting up with it for years, but apparently so have you?

unless you're suggesting they were ignored on purpose and they're not just one of the many cretins that find a way to slip through the cracks for too long, maybe we should just be glad they're out of here?

I have said exactly what I mean. The ban was the escalation of discord drama. They got ahelped and minorly noted. This was brought up in the discord as drama because people did not feel it was enough and then they got banned for it. The drama was caused by this ban. If this did not happen there would be no ban.

You are free to say I tolerated it because of my 2021(lol) chat logs if you want but that was a different kind of behaviour. Sometimes drama is the only way to remove people as opposed to not tolerating their behaviour.

Does this make more sense?

sorry, not really. this is not some callout i'm trying to make on you, if i was then i would just say it.

i'm literally just trying to understand.

i've asked around for more of the story and been shown the threads that illuminated what was going on here which lead to their ban.

in none of them do i see anything about someone needing to tell someone else to "get the rope" being integral to this process.

i will agree that sometimes players need to make noise around another player to get their behaviour noticed. it is unfortunate and i wish these things would not slip through the cracks like this.

in the appeal it is only one of two times he's told people to kill themselves. i am fine with both of these users being gone.

Sorry, I was not talking about the "get the rope part" I was just talking about the making the noise part. After this ban there was noise made in the discord and that is what led to the ban of the other dude.

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:08 am

dendydoom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:04 am

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:47 am

dendydoom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:16 am i really don't understand what you're getting at in this thread, kieth. you should stop insinuating things and just say what you mean.

i don't get why what tbm posted would make you respond like this. two losers are out of the community and we're better off for it. you're critical of those who have been supposedly putting up with it for years, but apparently so have you?

unless you're suggesting they were ignored on purpose and they're not just one of the many cretins that find a way to slip through the cracks for too long, maybe we should just be glad they're out of here?

I have said exactly what I mean. The ban was the escalation of discord drama. They got ahelped and minorly noted. This was brought up in the discord as drama because people did not feel it was enough and then they got banned for it. The drama was caused by this ban. If this did not happen there would be no ban.

You are free to say I tolerated it because of my 2021(lol) chat logs if you want but that was a different kind of behaviour. Sometimes drama is the only way to remove people as opposed to not tolerating their behaviour.

Does this make more sense?

sorry, not really. this is not some callout i'm trying to make on you, if i was then i would just say it.

i'm literally just trying to understand.

i've asked around for more of the story and been shown the threads that illuminated what was going on here which lead to their ban.

in none of them do i see anything about someone needing to tell someone else to "get the rope" being integral to this process.

i will agree that sometimes players need to make noise around another player to get their behaviour noticed. it is unfortunate and i wish these things would not slip through the cracks like this.

in the appeal it is only one of two times he's told people to kill themselves. i am fine with both of these users being gone.

Sorry, I was not talking about the "get the rope part" I was just talking about the making the noise part. After this ban there was noise made in the discord and that is what led to the ban of the other dude.

i think i understand a lot more of this now.

sorry if this got a lil heated. i picked up on a tone i thought you were using when responding initially to what tbm said and i feel like it has impacted my tone as a result when i wasn't really thinking about it, and this has sort of become more antagonistic than it needed to be. no hard feelings.

dendydoom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:14 am

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:08 am

dendydoom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:04 am

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:47 am

dendydoom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:16 am i really don't understand what you're getting at in this thread, kieth. you should stop insinuating things and just say what you mean.

i don't get why what tbm posted would make you respond like this. two losers are out of the community and we're better off for it. you're critical of those who have been supposedly putting up with it for years, but apparently so have you?

unless you're suggesting they were ignored on purpose and they're not just one of the many cretins that find a way to slip through the cracks for too long, maybe we should just be glad they're out of here?

I have said exactly what I mean. The ban was the escalation of discord drama. They got ahelped and minorly noted. This was brought up in the discord as drama because people did not feel it was enough and then they got banned for it. The drama was caused by this ban. If this did not happen there would be no ban.

You are free to say I tolerated it because of my 2021(lol) chat logs if you want but that was a different kind of behaviour. Sometimes drama is the only way to remove people as opposed to not tolerating their behaviour.

Does this make more sense?

sorry, not really. this is not some callout i'm trying to make on you, if i was then i would just say it.

i'm literally just trying to understand.

i've asked around for more of the story and been shown the threads that illuminated what was going on here which lead to their ban.

in none of them do i see anything about someone needing to tell someone else to "get the rope" being integral to this process.

i will agree that sometimes players need to make noise around another player to get their behaviour noticed. it is unfortunate and i wish these things would not slip through the cracks like this.

in the appeal it is only one of two times he's told people to kill themselves. i am fine with both of these users being gone.

Sorry, I was not talking about the "get the rope part" I was just talking about the making the noise part. After this ban there was noise made in the discord and that is what led to the ban of the other dude.

i think i understand a lot more of this now.

sorry if this got a lil heated. i picked up on a tone i thought you were using when responding initially to what tbm said and i feel like it has impacted my tone as a result when i wasn't really thinking about it, and this has sort of become more antagonistic than it needed to be. no hard feelings.

I could have probably presented my own ideas better but we all have weaknesses. Regarding this whole situation I'm pretty chill, no hard feelings at all. Sorry to you and @TBM for my less than ideal initial presentation.

Kieth is like
YOU SUUUCK GRRR
Then tbm is like
YOU ALSO SUUUCK GRRR [screenshots of sucking]
Kieth responds with
I was a different person back then but YOU STILL SUCK GRRRRR
The Dendi comes with
Kieth you're sucking bro lol
Kieth responds with
You know what I sucked but tbm ALSO SUCKED GRRRRRR

Kieth are you more concerned with your presentation and inconsistency of previous terms (yours included) or with the fact these, you included, were people organizing an event telling Justice to kill themselves because of a note they put on someone almost a year ago?

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:19 am

dendydoom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:14 am

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:08 am

dendydoom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:04 am

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:47 am

dendydoom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:16 am i really don't understand what you're getting at in this thread, kieth. you should stop insinuating things and just say what you mean.

i don't get why what tbm posted would make you respond like this. two losers are out of the community and we're better off for it. you're critical of those who have been supposedly putting up with it for years, but apparently so have you?

unless you're suggesting they were ignored on purpose and they're not just one of the many cretins that find a way to slip through the cracks for too long, maybe we should just be glad they're out of here?

I have said exactly what I mean. The ban was the escalation of discord drama. They got ahelped and minorly noted. This was brought up in the discord as drama because people did not feel it was enough and then they got banned for it. The drama was caused by this ban. If this did not happen there would be no ban.

You are free to say I tolerated it because of my 2021(lol) chat logs if you want but that was a different kind of behaviour. Sometimes drama is the only way to remove people as opposed to not tolerating their behaviour.

Does this make more sense?

sorry, not really. this is not some callout i'm trying to make on you, if i was then i would just say it.

i'm literally just trying to understand.

i've asked around for more of the story and been shown the threads that illuminated what was going on here which lead to their ban.

in none of them do i see anything about someone needing to tell someone else to "get the rope" being integral to this process.

i will agree that sometimes players need to make noise around another player to get their behaviour noticed. it is unfortunate and i wish these things would not slip through the cracks like this.

in the appeal it is only one of two times he's told people to kill themselves. i am fine with both of these users being gone.

Sorry, I was not talking about the "get the rope part" I was just talking about the making the noise part. After this ban there was noise made in the discord and that is what led to the ban of the other dude.

i think i understand a lot more of this now.

sorry if this got a lil heated. i picked up on a tone i thought you were using when responding initially to what tbm said and i feel like it has impacted my tone as a result when i wasn't really thinking about it, and this has sort of become more antagonistic than it needed to be. no hard feelings.

I could have probably presented my own ideas better but we all have weaknesses. Regarding this whole situation I'm pretty chill, no hard feelings at all. Sorry to you and @TBM for my less than ideal initial presentation.

I'm making this quote block longer too.

ive played with andrew for years (on terry) and i genuinely had no idea that they were going around massively sniffing peoples feet

so andrew was the use case for olfaction, i've been trying to figure out why that gene power existed ever since my fulp days

Donglesplonge wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 12:06 pm so andrew was the use case for olfaction, i've been trying to figure out why that gene power existed ever since my fulp days

actually very useful tracking people
only thing that can track people without suit sensors

imagine being last head alive during revolution and having 30 sniffas hot on your tail

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 8:12 am Headmin candidate fight!

I think its pretty fair for jonashx to be mad at Andrew who's been sexually harassing people for years

I was the one who ahelped him over the note that got him banned, he made remarks about Lucia Valdez's IC character, saying shit like "Oh, I don't have nice feet and big boobs like her" after I mistook him for Lucia.

I don't believe the whole stuff about his infractions being minor, this alone should have been a ban, not sure why Vekter gave him a note over this (especially considering there must be a paper trail of this behaviour on his history).
I netted a permaban with no history over abusing the (at the time) new jump emote and TTS, as some might remember.

Here is a collage from that round: https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/round/211 ... e=game.txt So yeah, Jimmy's anger is justified, considering this behaviour has been constant for a very long time with little to no administrative action.

I still don't know who this Andrew Drake guy is, I don't think I ever interacted with them on a player or administrative side. I'm glad TBM at least took action when it came to his attention. On a sidenote can we still keep this jonasx guy banned this appeal is like "I'm sorry but I didnt do anything wrong".

As an aside in his announcement it says "end his suffering after releasing the infamous novel “My Struggle against the Space Janitors”. True reasons are unknown as of now.", I wonder who the janitors he is referring to are :clueless:

TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 2:38 pm As an aside in his announcement it says "end his suffering after releasing the infamous novel “My Struggle against the Space Janitors”. True reasons are unknown as of now.", I wonder who the janitors he is referring to are :clueless:

whats your point here

Prussen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 2:43 pm

TheRex9001 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 2:38 pm As an aside in his announcement it says "end his suffering after releasing the infamous novel “My Struggle against the Space Janitors”. True reasons are unknown as of now.", I wonder who the janitors he is referring to are :clueless:

whats your point here

That its targeted towards admins Prussen, thats the point. The announcement already starts this off as reaching into OOC in IC.

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:43 am
He was not very active during my term nor did he get ahelped during it.

The ban is related to him getting a minor note and drama being caused because people thinking the note was unjust and thus making discord drama and pinging chesh(?) Who escalated it

I hadn't known of this guy's existence, when it was finally (not really ahelped) reported to me, I took action to review their interactions, establish a history, and then the headmin team made a ruling in if they should be a part of the community.

I had absolutely no idea this guy exists because nobody had ever reported them to me. Shit happens when you work with the admin team to get rid of creeps.

Timonk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 12:18 pm

Donglesplonge wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 12:06 pm so andrew was the use case for olfaction, i've been trying to figure out why that gene power existed ever since my fulp days

actually very useful tracking people
only thing that can track people without suit sensors

Wait does it actually work now?

tattle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:33 pm

Timonk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 12:18 pm

Donglesplonge wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 12:06 pm so andrew was the use case for olfaction, i've been trying to figure out why that gene power existed ever since my fulp days

actually very useful tracking people
only thing that can track people without suit sensors

Wait does it actually work now?

always has worked
you only need to be in a clean area (i believe without even trace amounts of miasma in the air)

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:43 am He was not very active during my term nor did he get ahelped during it.

The ban is related to him getting a minor note and drama being caused because people thinking the note was unjust and thus making discord drama and pinging chesh(?) Who escalated it

Aren't you a proponent of not ahelping? Or at the very least on discord, telling people not to ahelp?

tbm you really need to check the dates of logs you post. this isn’t the first time you’ve done this, either. like c’mon.

tattle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:47 pm

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:43 am He was not very active during my term nor did he get ahelped during it.

The ban is related to him getting a minor note and drama being caused because people thinking the note was unjust and thus making discord drama and pinging chesh(?) Who escalated it

Aren't you a proponent of not ahelping? Or at the very least on discord, telling people not to ahelp?

I don't think Kieth4 is a proponent of not ahelping sexual harassment

tattle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 4:47 pm

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:43 am He was not very active during my term nor did he get ahelped during it.

The ban is related to him getting a minor note and drama being caused because people thinking the note was unjust and thus making discord drama and pinging chesh(?) Who escalated it

Aren't you a proponent of not ahelping? Or at the very least on discord, telling people not to ahelp?

When I speak about my experiences and stances on ahelping it's more regarding minor issues or ic conflicts that can be dealt with without needing admin intervention. Ahelping does have a purpose and for particularly egregious cases I have directed people to ahelp in the discord.

would be nice if there was a page outlining ahelp cases, what is a ahelp-able case and isnt. so many times i ahelp rule breaks and get told to deal with it ICly, which is fun, but this varys from admin to admin, which isnt very fun

EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:52 pm would be nice if there was a page outlining ahelp cases, what is a ahelp-able case and isnt. so many times i ahelp rule breaks and get told to deal with it ICly, which is fun, but this varys from admin to admin, which isnt very fun

I think even with a huge page this would not change. Ultimately, the game is a sandbox so every single interaction has a different scenario around it and every admin has their view on the rules which also contributes to the uncertainty.

kieth4 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 6:12 pm

EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:52 pm would be nice if there was a page outlining ahelp cases, what is a ahelp-able case and isnt. so many times i ahelp rule breaks and get told to deal with it ICly, which is fun, but this varys from admin to admin, which isnt very fun

I think even with a huge page this would not change. Ultimately, the game is a sandbox so every single interaction has a different scenario around it and every admin has their view on the rules which also contributes to the uncertainty.

Even that said, context always matters. IC interaction is king over OoC. Hence why rule 0 is that admin can forgo that rule break as that was a funny, or a real moment, or a surprise by the player or admin.

The other day, I would have noted 4 engineers that started the SM with a kiss and no interest to saving. I then dropped those flies and blue swirlie that turned the SM into a delaming cascade. The RP and the watching from folks was absolutely gold, but that cannot be a common occurrence.

The problem with being told IC issue is that we often - and some of us intentionally so - omit a helpful bit of information to help you solve it IC.

"IC issue" is useless. "If you believe they're acting like an antag, you may treat them like one" is useful.
"IC issue" is useless. "They had a valid reason to arrest you, no rules are being broken, you'll have to handle it IC" is useful.
"IC issue" is useless. "It was all valid escalation, no rules are being broken, you'll have to handle it IC" is useful.

You get the idea. The prompt helps not just inform players they need to handle it ICly, but gives them guidance on which path they should take.

That prompt is important because the player ahelped due to thinking someone just broke the rules. They don't know if the other player is an antag, a shitter, or if an antag framed them, or sometimes they just don't know that non-antags can do bad deeds with enough IC reason. It nudges them down the most sensible direction to actually solve their IC issue.

i dislike the kys phrase, even though ive used it several times in moments of anger, however i do think its odd that someone can come at you full force with insults, but once you step it up to that its an instant rule-11 violation, and the person that was slinging other insults at you in usually in the clear, even if they were the one that caused you to say what you said

nobody can cause you to tell someone to kill themselves, that's always your choice

EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:52 am i dislike the kys phrase, even though ive used it several times in moments of anger, however i do think its odd that someone can come at you full force with insults, but once you step it up to that its an instant rule-11 violation, and the person that was slinging other insults at you in usually in the clear, even if they were the one that caused you to say what you said

you're right in that you shouldn't have to put up with someone spewing insults at you in OOC or dchat or w/e. i mute people when they get too salty, cooldown ban them if they say something too far, and i punish both if someone retaliates with something just as or even more abhorrent. there's a limit here. yeah, sure, if someone is being an asshole, tell them to fuck off. you don't have to dig deep and find the most vile thing possible to say to someone who upsets you.

but i'm not sure what it solves by retaliating with even more vile things. other people around you hear this shit when you say it, how do you know what kinda mental state they're in? is it worth it over a video game? what if, god forbid, someone you say that to actually goes and hurts themselves? are you gonna take responsibility for that?

"but dendy, that doesn't happen, it's just a joke"

i wish that were true, imaginary person i just invented. yes it does.

we are all (supposedly) adults here, and we are responsible for the things we say and do. shocking to expect accountability from full grown adults, i know.

EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:52 am i dislike the kys phrase, even though ive used it several times in moments of anger, however i do think its odd that someone can come at you full force with insults, but once you step it up to that its an instant rule-11 violation, and the person that was slinging other insults at you in usually in the clear, even if they were the one that caused you to say what you said

I know the feeling. The moment you realize that this game is evil and brings out the worst sometime. You can start catching yourself before those frustrated outbursts, that you probably didn't mean to. Getting Banbaited, which I have stopped a few of those folks with ooc/ic mutes and chattered to say "hey, you are good. you are being played and they trying to get you tilt. Let me handle this." Not every admin will catch those moments to calm that situation down, physically impossible to read all the text one and see the interactions in real-time.

dendydoom wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:22 am you're right in that you shouldn't have to put up with someone spewing insults at you in OOC or dchat or w/e. i mute people when they get too salty, cooldown ban them if they say something too far, and i punish both if someone retaliates with something just as or even more abhorrent. there's a limit here. yeah, sure, if someone is being an asshole, tell them to fuck off. you don't have to dig deep and find the most vile thing possible to say to someone who upsets you.

but i'm not sure what it solves by retaliating with even more vile things. other people around you hear this shit when you say it, how do you know what kinda mental state they're in? is it worth it over a video game? what if, god forbid, someone you say that to actually goes and hurts themselves? are you gonna take responsibility for that?

"but dendy, that doesn't happen, it's just a joke"

i wish that were true, imaginary person i just invented. yes it does.

we are all (supposedly) adults here, and we are responsible for the things we say and do. shocking to expect accountability from full grown adults, i know.

I have had a long history of gamers that come and gone in all online communities I have been. I hope and pray in my heart, that folks I was in touch with, are doing alive and well. I can't do too much else for them other than be an ear or give a joke.
I personally don't wish for anyone to take their own life, because I always feel like I am living on my own borrowed time. I do realize that not everyone will think come to that truth. To answer your question, I have quit games entirely, as someone close to me suicided by their frustration with the world.

dendydoom wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:22 am

EmpressMaia wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 4:52 am i dislike the kys phrase, even though ive used it several times in moments of anger, however i do think its odd that someone can come at you full force with insults, but once you step it up to that its an instant rule-11 violation, and the person that was slinging other insults at you in usually in the clear, even if they were the one that caused you to say what you said

you're right in that you shouldn't have to put up with someone spewing insults at you in OOC or dchat or w/e. i mute people when they get too salty, cooldown ban them if they say something too far, and i punish both if someone retaliates with something just as or even more abhorrent. there's a limit here. yeah, sure, if someone is being an asshole, tell them to fuck off. you don't have to dig deep and find the most vile thing possible to say to someone who upsets you.

but i'm not sure what it solves by retaliating with even more vile things. other people around you hear this shit when you say it, how do you know what kinda mental state they're in? is it worth it over a video game? what if, god forbid, someone you say that to actually goes and hurts themselves? are you gonna take responsibility for that?

"but dendy, that doesn't happen, it's just a joke"

i wish that were true, imaginary person i just invented. yes it does.

we are all (supposedly) adults here, and we are responsible for the things we say and do. shocking to expect accountability from full grown adults, i know.

I think a really nice addition that would help some people is a mute button in the dchat. Instead of having to dig through the mute verb