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Horrific Heist of the Hellfoam Harbinger
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:19 pm
by Archie700
Re: Horrific Heist of the Hellfoam Harbinger
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:22 pm
by PapaMichael
eorg brings out the worst in all of us
(except me)
Re: Horrific Heist of the Hellfoam Harbinger
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:22 pm
by Cheshify
He should be unbanned, he totally bombed the shuttle but he took a trump supporter with him.
Re: Horrific Heist of the Hellfoam Harbinger
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:48 pm
by Timonk
i think it tracks the last one who touched it as the one to prime it (correct me if im wrong) and pulsing it with a multitool or similar doesnt count as touching it?
Re: Horrific Heist of the Hellfoam Harbinger
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:50 pm
by dragomagol
Yup! It credits the wrong person for triggering it, which is a bug.
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/issues/82623
Re: Horrific Heist of the Hellfoam Harbinger
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:53 pm
by Timonk
works like this with TTVs too. last one to touch is the one to trigger it. (i think)
Re: Horrific Heist of the Hellfoam Harbinger
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:55 pm
by britgrenadier1
This is why you need shadowplay while playing ss13. Logs are great but man do people just take them at face value without thinking much about it.
Re: Horrific Heist of the Hellfoam Harbinger
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 6:02 pm
by dragomagol
After seeing the appellant post logs that worked against them and taking responsibility for making the grenades at all, I had an inkling that something was off about the logs. Not to mention our bombing logs have a history of being a little wonky in places.
Honestly, props to the player for being so mature about the whole thing, and to Fatal for giving them the benefit of the doubt after we determined that the logs weren't totally reliable.
Re: Horrific Heist of the Hellfoam Harbinger
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 6:50 pm
by Timonk
we can track what buttons get pressed on the TGUI right? why arent we tracking who is pulsing?
Re: Horrific Heist of the Hellfoam Harbinger
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 7:15 pm
by Fatal
britgrenadier1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:55 pm
This is why you need shadowplay while playing ss13. Logs are great but man do people just take them at face value without thinking much about it.
This is the first time in my 5 years of being an admin the logs I've used have been wrong, and this is what appeals are for, the whole thing was sorted very quickly
Replays would be nice but yeah, we don't have those
Re: Horrific Heist of the Hellfoam Harbinger
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 7:26 pm
by Timonk
Fatal wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 7:15 pm
britgrenadier1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:55 pm
This is why you need shadowplay while playing ss13. Logs are great but man do people just take them at face value without thinking much about it.
This is the first time in my 5 years of being an admin the logs I've used have been wrong, and this is what appeals are for, the whole thing was sorted very quickly
Replays would be nice but yeah, we don't have those
skill issue
Re: Horrific Heist of the Hellfoam Harbinger
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 7:42 pm
by Not-Dorsidarf
For anyone wondering if something like this can be detected in-round before the (multiple) bugs that made this invisible on logs are fixed, the admin Secrets tool "list signalers" logs all signal pulses and their sender in a round, though like most Investigate tools I don't believe it's added to the stored game logs. There's a surprising amount of tracking data/lists/etc that's not available to admins beyond the round they happen in, because they arent worth storing in 99.9% of rounds.
Re: Horrific Heist of the Hellfoam Harbinger
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:48 pm
by Timonk
Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 7:42 pm
For anyone wondering if something like this can be detected in-round before the (multiple) bugs that made this invisible on logs are fixed, the admin Secrets tool "list signalers" logs all signal pulses and their sender in a round, though like most Investigate tools I don't believe it's added to the stored game logs. There's a surprising amount of tracking data/lists/etc that's not available to admins beyond the round they happen in, because they arent worth storing in 99.9% of rounds.
i believe one of those stats is which tgui elements you click, right?
Re: Horrific Heist of the Hellfoam Harbinger
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:46 pm
by Archie700
Timonk wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 8:48 pm
Not-Dorsidarf wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2024 7:42 pm
For anyone wondering if something like this can be detected in-round before the (multiple) bugs that made this invisible on logs are fixed, the admin Secrets tool "list signalers" logs all signal pulses and their sender in a round, though like most Investigate tools I don't believe it's added to the stored game logs. There's a surprising amount of tracking data/lists/etc that's not available to admins beyond the round they happen in, because they arent worth storing in 99.9% of rounds.
i believe one of those stats is which tgui elements you click, right?
Turns out, yes, but most people wouldn't look into that the first time
Re: Horrific Heist of the Hellfoam Harbinger
Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2024 12:54 am
by NecromancerAnne
A good thread to demonstrate the issue of signal pulsing and logs.
Thankfully, hrefs is a pretty good way to check some of these things.