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Bottom post of the previous page:

Good points:

1) emergency shuttles are opt in
2) people seem to like the crazy ones
3) some people seem to disagree with the ruling

Imitates-The-Lizards wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 1:20 pm

Arianya wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 8:42 amFor every person who finds it very funny to be murdered on the shuttle there will be someone who prefers to try and stay alive at any cost even if the round is going to end in 30 seconds.

Why wouldn't this person just take a pod?

A variety of reasons:

a) They latejoined/weren't paying attention and didn't see the shuttle purchase
b) Pods may be destroyed/unreachable/non-livable without a space suit (heavy station damage/meteors/etc.)
c) Roleplaying-wise, most people would expect to evacuate by the shuttle rather than pods - its the one that goes to Centcomm after all.

And from a more OOC point of view - the shuttle is the main way to leave the station at the end of a round - the fact that pods exist shouldn't really negate its safety in the same way we shouldn't destroy the station just because lavaland exists for people who don't want to die.

Arianya wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 8:11 pm
A variety of reasons:

a) They latejoined/weren't paying attention and didn't see the shuttle purchase
b) Pods may be destroyed/unreachable/non-livable without a space suit (heavy station damage/meteors/etc.)
c) Roleplaying-wise, most people would expect to evacuate by the shuttle rather than pods - its the one that goes to Centcomm after all.

And from a more OOC point of view - the shuttle is the main way to leave the station at the end of a round - the fact that pods exist shouldn't really negate its safety in the same way we shouldn't destroy the station just because lavaland exists for people who don't want to die.

You can view what shuttle is coming by examining the monitors. The pods being destroyed is pretty rare and space suits usually aren't that hard to get.

Arianya wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 8:11 pm And from a more OOC point of view - the shuttle is the main way to leave the station at the end of a round - the fact that pods exist shouldn't really negate its safety in the same way we shouldn't destroy the station just because lavaland exists for people who don't want to die.

People actually spend the entire round on the station interacting with people or doing their job content or whatever it is they do in a given round, on the station. If you ruined the station people have to stop doing that and are forced to worry about survival first and foremost (which is enjoyable in its own right and wouldn't be an issue to me either, but that's a different topic). Whether or not you leave the station as a crispy piece of long pork or strapped to your seat doing nothing really has no impact on your gameplay, your ability to do your job or the round as a whole, because the round is over.

I wrote shuttle instead of station at the top and my post looked retarded oops!

yes, fun should be allowed at the expense of people who are killed or marooned by the fun shuttles because they're bad

Personally, shuttles aren't fun right now. It is just time spent afking most of the time and sometimes I just go ssd 5 mins before a shuttle arrivals because all value is lost in the round when you know its going to end soon. I think having griefly shuttles is a nice shake up to watch the shit show go down as long as it is not spammed.

This thread brought up a lot of valid points.

It made me realize that I plainly dislike grief shuttles on a fundamental / game level,
but that's an issue with the codebase itself, and it's not worth attempting to handle administratively due to this nature.

As a result, we've decided to revert the ruling back to its prior form, with some very minor tweaks for clarification's sake.

In summation:

• Buying a grief shuttle is allowed, but lynchable / liable to mutiny.

• Buying a shuttle when most of the station has agreed to another shuttle (such as BYOS) may be cause for mutiny.

• Inciting a lynch mob and defending yourself lethally is self-antagging. Non-lethal self defense is generally fine, in the same vein as resisting a valid arrest.

• Buying a grief shuttle when the station / the pods are destroyed is a dick move and may also get you in trouble with admins.

This policy may expand beyond the captain as well, obviously, and serves as a general "grief shuttle" guideline.

Melbert - Agree with reversion
Mothblocks - Agree with reversion
Timberpoes - Agree with reversion