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Framing others using "ligger"
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 10:27 pm
by Epoc
Bottom post of the previous page:
In a recent round, a changeling used their voice change ability to impersonate the HoS.
They then sent radio messages as the HoS, using the word "ligger", which as per
viewtopic.php?f=33&t=34353, renders them valid.
The HoS was then killed by a lizard who believed they were valid, when in fact, it was the changeling who used the term while framing the HoS.
It could be argued that this sort of situation is natural in a game that revolves around deception.
To me, this seems like a blatant abuse of policy. This sort of strategy has no bearing in-character.
Thoughts?
Re: Framing others using "ligger"
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:41 pm
by CPTANT
Why don't we just go back to the situation we had before where the word was merely insulting IC and there was no problem whatsoever.....
Re: Framing others using "ligger"
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:54 pm
by Screemonster
CPTANT wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:41 pm
Why don't we just go back to the situation we had before where the word was merely insulting IC and there was no problem whatsoever.....
the situation that led to the ruling being made didn't even involve the dude being valided, he just got beaten horizontal and dragged to medbay by the guy he decided to insult for no reason (fine under escalation policy) and medbay decided, having also dealt with this asshole earlier in the shift, not to bother going out of their way to revive him (also fine)
it wasn't some magical talisman of "use of this word makes the person valid to anyone that hears it" but like killing Ian you're a pussy-ass bitch if you ahelp someone kicking your ass for doing it
if someone gets framed for saying it and gets their ass kicked, then the pussy-ass bitch doctrine obviously doesn't apply and they are free to hit f1
Re: Framing others using "ligger"
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 1:01 pm
by kieth4
Timberpoes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:54 am
MSO has stated in the admin channels on this topic:
MrStonedOne — 02/08/2023 12:42
[ligger validity is] an ooc ruling so abusing it as a tator is metagaming
for the wgw one at least that was what the logic was. there is only ooc rule reasons to want to do it
its a murky line
one of the benefits to the previous non-committal stance of not explicitly saying they were valid valid =P
This isn't a particularly novel situation in that regard and older admins would remember the situation back from when WGW reading was a thing.
As always, admin discretion on if and/or when this is enforced continues to be a thing; we should never let the rules get in the way of a good story and I don't want to box the admin team into a specific mandatory ruling. I expect them to be sensible and use their entire admin toolbox - from ahelp tickets to IC announcements to deathsquads to Godly revivals - to resolve these issues.