/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:30 pm**

I have come to suggest a policy change that other than the purpose of indefinite imprisonment, it should be bwoinkable policy to actively farm live CKEY mobs in such a way that that causes suffering to the player inside the cage, and their only purpose is to die rather than remain alive.

A prime example are the antagonistic xenomorphs, there's a arguement currently going on how to properly apply them since a larva is always drawn from a pool of player ghosts and needs player input to act like a self interested antagonist & upgrade into a queen and there on. Only the queen is actually required for the continuation of the 'hive' and scientists efforts to harvest xeno organs, while all other castes are expendable to be harvested and while antagonistic are kept in containment waiting to get out. Usually killing a hive to collect the organs requires knocking all the xenos out with anesthetic, removing control from the CKEY player in which case they might as well quit the game or torching them all on the spot. Neither is a fun or constructive use of ghost rules and creates a negative experience for the xeno player.

This also applies to scientists killing or being dicks to other gold slime mobs (or pet slimes granted intelligence) in killing them for their products or keeping them in enforced containment after deliberately making them. (you can just NOT insert the monkey/drag in the facehugger from mining)

- And obviously methodical workarounds should be encouraged that don't pertain to the ckey mobs living existance being completely meaningless.

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:36 pm**

How about you just dont select these roles if xenobio is farming them

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:42 pm**

There's that too, but firstly the ghost player might not be aware of the circumstances, and are therefore trapped there. Nobody gets anything out of it and ghosts lose their previous body.

Secondly there's always the hovering chance that people are willing to get out for 'free round ending antag' and queue up for the torture anyway. Complicit but not exactly what they want.

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:19 pm**

Say it with me now lads

"Ghost roles have absolutely no rights"

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:04 pm**

I do not feel there is any need to change the policy here. Ghosts roles are only allowed because they have no rights. A Xeno farm is started by intent of at least two players: The miner and the scientist. Your choice to play as a contained, slave Xeno may be rewarded by antags or incompetence that may allow you to escape and exact revenge. Sometimes, you may not get that chance.

Let me say it more plainly. Some ghost roles have you playing as a slave. You are property. Your fun and existence is based entirely on the whim of your master. He can kill you whenever he wants. You are a tool meant to further your master's interests. You must obey him, even if such orders require you to sacrifice your life. Your master may grace you with the chance to slaughter the crew, or he may toss you aside like the slave you are. You consent to this by accepting the prompt.

Giving ghost roles rights will lead only to their removal from the game entirely. Do not do this.

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:13 pm**

Well since we know where we stand on the issue, this is important information to foward to Wjohnston's and other coders current projects.

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:46 pm**

FantasticFwoosh wrote:Well since we know where we stand on the issue, this is important information to foward to Wjohnston's and other coders current projects.

Specifically?

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:53 pm**

Ghost roles have absolutely no rights

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:55 pm**

Encouraging the use of xenomorphs in xenobio to be farmed, meaning that large amounts of ghosts have to click yes to participate and be complicit/noncomplit but "lol" no rights. You'd probably get a better response talking to him in IRC/pm's about it with some of this thought up workarounds.

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:59 pm**

If you don't want to be part of it then don't click yes

how is this an issue

"Help, I keep volunteering myself willingly to be put in a situation I don't like!"

are you serious?

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:09 pm**

We need to save people from themselves, some people will do ANYTHING for antag.

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:12 pm**

No we dont. Are you seriously advocating a substatial rules change to protect people too fucking stupid to not keep willingly putting themselves in a sitaution they dont like?

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:13 pm**

if you say "hi yes please make me X" and complain "oh my god Y is happening to me as X (which I knew would happen)!!" then you're an idiot

I'm not a fan of a change like this because then you're ACTUALLY stepping into hugbox territory

The parable of the man stabbed is relevant here

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:15 pm**

Ghost roles have no rights.

Admins that intervene in xenobio farming by purposely causing an incident to release them should be deadminned.
Players that intevene in xenobio farming by doing ditto is antag behaviour.

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:23 pm**

J_Madison wrote:Admins that intervene in xenobio farming by purposely causing an incident to release them should be deadminned.

I disagree.

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:38 pm**

itt: fwoosh == salt

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:47 pm**

Even if im 2000% wrong we had this discussion and talked about and can use it for historical reference.

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:31 pm**

FantasticFwoosh wrote:Even if im 2000% wrong we had this discussion and talked about and can use it for historical reference.

As another in a long list of bad Fwoosh ideas?

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:38 pm**

More of a topical point im asking to affirm the notions of for a friend by testing the waters.

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:53 pm**

FantasticFwoosh wrote:We need to save people from themselves, some people will do ANYTHING for antag.

Are you fucking retarded?

WELL THEY PICKED ANTAG WHAT DO WE DO NOW?

They get to live in a box bohoo. Maybe they may escape if the power fails. Or they get harvested but its not the responisbility of admins to make FARMING XENOS illegal

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:57 pm**

A pig waiting to be turned into bacon isn't a very good antag if its a waiting game and a guranteed execution without RNGJesus causing a system shutdown or a powersink behind a impenetrable force field that can be cheesed with pacmans for infinite power. Just the same as a traitor with no TC that starts off caught in perma (a ghost role along those lines would be interesting) already will just ghost out after 10 minutes.

Its not least used in the right context, xenos should be wild and free admin dropped round ending-memes not farmed meat. The scientist is also liable for letting it get to that stage by actively encouraging the xenos to breed. I can't remember if xenos still automatically pluck players with the preferences turned on forcefully into the larva body on bursting, ill have to double check.

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:04 pm**

FantasticFwoosh wrote:A pig waiting to be turned into bacon isn't a very good antag if its a waiting game and a guranteed execution without RNGJesus causing a system shutdown or a powersink behind a impenetrable force field that can be cheesed with pacmans for infinite power. Just the same as a traitor with no TC that starts off caught in perma (a ghost role along those lines would be interesting) already will just ghost out after 10 minutes.

Its not least used in the right context, xenos should be wild and free admin dropped round ending-memes not farmed meat. The scientist is also liable for letting it get to that stage by actively encouraging the xenos to breed. I can't remember if xenos still automatically pluck players with the preferences turned on forcefully into the larva body on bursting, ill have to double check.

Its a choice now. Its a button i know this.

When i xeno farm i breed a single queen and then murder her with xray laser

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:31 pm**

J_Madison wrote:Ghost roles have no rights.

Admins that intervene in xenobio farming by purposely causing an incident to release them should be deadminned.
Players that intevene in xenobio farming by doing ditto is antag behaviour.

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:36 pm**

What exactly are you proposing scientists do? You either use them as an organ farm or you let them out and they end the round by infesting the entire station.

I'm pretty sure this thread is satire, it's flying a little too close to the level of "absolutely bananas"

Posted: **Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:38 pm**

Hamfam77 wrote:What exactly are you proposing scientists do? You either use them as an organ farm or you let them out and they end the round by infesting the entire station.

I'm pretty sure this thread is satire, it's flying a little too close to the level of "absolutely bananas"

Never underestimate the power of autism

Posted: **Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:54 pm**

We need to save people from themselves, some people will do ANYTHING for antag.

Fuck that, that's some leftie facist shit. That's the reason why taxes are through the roof on tobacco in the north. Why you can't buy a "large" soda in NYC. Why in NY you can't have a rifle where the grip is at a certain angle. Why a man in NJ went to jail for inheriting a gun when his grandfather died. Why raw milk is illegal in CA. Why beer with caffeine is illegal in some places. Why in San Francisco you can't have a wood burning fireplace and kids can't get toys in happy meals. Why hotels in CA can't have flat sheets.

Can we move this shit to the shed? I know this game is a space-themed autism simulator but sometimes man can go too far.

Posted: **Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:37 pm**

cmspano wrote:
We need to save people from themselves, some people will do ANYTHING for antag.
Fuck that, that's some leftie facist shit. That's the reason why taxes are through the roof on tobacco in the north. Why you can't buy a "large" soda in NYC. Why in NY you can't have a rifle where the grip is at a certain angle. Why a man in NJ went to jail for inheriting a gun when his grandfather died. Why raw milk is illegal in CA. Why beer with caffeine is illegal in some places. Why in San Francisco you can't have a wood burning fireplace and kids can't get toys in happy meals. Why hotels in CA can't have flat sheets.

Can we move this shit to the shed? I know this game is a space-themed autism simulator but sometimes man can go too far.

Thank you for explaining it in a language i understand. I now feel shame.

Posted: **Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:15 pm**

>leftie fascist

Posted: **Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:42 pm**

everyone yet again falls for master crafted fwoosh bait

if this goes on I'm going to have to check with the department of immigration here in australia because we might need to confer citizenship to fwoosh

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