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It should be actionable for people who don't even try to do their abductee objectives, because no one is. The entire point of abductors is to have crew members acting strange, not to be quasi-wizard with everyone knowing exactly what the ayys are and trying to valid them.

Discuss.

I don't know about making it actionable if someone doesn't do their objectives, because we don't do that for other antags (for the most part)

However yeah it's kinda frustrating to see people ignore it entirely in favor of trying to get the ayys

Ayys are an antag with additional restrictions imposed upon them.
It makes sense for the antags they create - which may turn on them - to also have restrictions.

Create a clause saying abductee "doesn't remember" abduction. There's already precedence for this.

the objectives seems like forced roleplay to me, people should act like they've been probed on their on volition

I support a "don't remember abduction" clause, it would really improve things. I'm not sure we can do much to force players to play out the objectives, but if they cannot try to valid the ayys back they may put more focus on those, since they give them a little bit of grief leeway.

XDTM wrote:I support a "don't remember abduction" clause, it would really improve things. I'm not sure we can do much to force players to play out the objectives, but if they cannot try to valid the ayys back they may put more focus on those, since they give them a little bit of grief leeway.

This, too.

I mean the objectives are written with that in mind, one of them is "find out who did this to you" which is kind of pointless when immediately after someone is dropped on station they yell I'VE BEEN ABDUCTED WE HAVE ABDUCTORS over comms

Abductor's are a side-antag with restrictions imposed upon them. If i recall correctly, and last i'd heard, they are not allowed to; strip command of their IDs, strip people completely and send them back naked, purposefully spam recall the shuttle, raid the armory, murder the crew outside of self-defense, and the like.

Abductee's are fairly similar. After an abduction they get a line akin to "Your mind snaps" followed by a random, often RP objective from a list.
In my opinion, players shouldn't be punished for not doing their objectives as, some can be finicky and intimidating to people who don't know how to "Roleplay" it or simply don't feel like breaking all the windows, preventing people from being cloned, etc.

I don't think they should be permitted to instantly call out that they'd been abducted or seek to have the organ removed. It defeats the purpose of stealthy abductions and observation of the effects. At the very least.
As it makes it extremely difficult for Abductors to catch people off-guard without raising alarm when everyone knows the moment one guy comes back and starts screaming about it.

bandit wrote:I mean the objectives are written with that in mind, one of them is "find out who did this to you" which is kind of pointless when immediately after someone is dropped on station they yell I'VE BEEN ABDUCTED WE HAVE ABDUCTORS over comms

If one of the objectives is "find out who did this to you" it should be open shut you don't remember it because that's the attitude the coders had in mind when they coded it.

Make sure to put it in big red text so they can't claim that they didn't see the 'no memory' clause

I thought there already WAS a non memory clause lol

If there is no one follows it

People are supposed to use their creativity and like maybe hazily remember bits of the experience, or none at all. We don't need a dumb OOC piece of text yelling at them on how they're supposed to act.

Apparently we do

Bawhoppennn wrote:People are supposed to use their creativity and like maybe hazily remember bits of the experience, or none at all. We don't need a dumb OOC piece of text yelling at them on how they're supposed to act.

Lazengann wrote:Apparently we do

How are people supposed to know they're supposed to do what you describe if the game doesn't tell them

Most people don't read things they don't have to, and many will try to rules lawyer around shit

This is why I (or technically cobby) added the GIANT RED LETTERS saying "fuck you don't be a shit" to drones

Bawhoppennn wrote:People are supposed to use their creativity and like maybe hazily remember bits of the experience, or none at all. We don't need a dumb OOC piece of text yelling at them on how they're supposed to act.

disgrace

Bawhoppennn wrote:People are supposed to use their creativity

"I got antag objectives, I kill people now"

Bawhoppennn wrote:and like maybe hazily remember bits of the experience

"IT'S ABDUCTORS"

Yeah no, we need the text.

I think sometimes we forget that SS13 is a space-themed autism simulator(simulating both having and dealing with autism). I think we need the text.

The PR already got merged, we have the text