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This is related to Paprika's ban for saying the infamous phrase.

As a quick point of clarification, the current rules for IC in OOC say:

The Rules wrote: IC in OOC can be a no warning ban of 15 minutes, it can be longer if the IC in OOC is severe. To clarify, this is revealing anything about the current round that others can use in the OOC channel. If you are unsure do not say it.

This didn't happen here. (the whole ayy lmao thing is OOC in IC, if anything)

The closest rule actually broken was rule 7:

The Rules wrote: 7. Speak like a normal person while in character. Don’t spam, either IC or OOC. Don’t use smileys, netspeak, etc. in IC speech.

And even there, it's a bit questionable. As a real live human, I can say "Ayyy lamayo" out loud. And references to stupid memes aren't just allowed, they're built right into the game(renault, for example).

So why are people getting IC in OOC bans for saying this once? I don't particularly like Paprika, but he/she/it still deserves fair treatment. It just seems kinda heavy handed. I could see bans getting applied for people spamming it, but just for saying it once?

Netspeak in-character will get you in trouble. I don't see what's so hard to understand about this.
The complaint was that instead of a stern talking to, he got a slap on the wrist, but that slap was TOO MUCH because of "muh antag round!"

My usual go-to for people saying retarded things in-character was to make them actually retarded with crippling brain damage. I was then told it'd just be a blanket 15 minute ooc in ic ban, so thats how i've been handling it since.

Saegrimr wrote:Netspeak in-character will get you in trouble. I don't see what's so hard to understand about this.

Stop meming.

All the references SS13 is made of are actual references - Gygax, the Voidsuit, Asimov's laws, redshirt security, tricord, and so on. Just because your average high schooler thinks ayy lmao is the pinnacle of humor and spouts it off, doesn't mean normal people say it in casual conversation. Also, doesn't mean people won't think you're a retarded memespouter for it. This is doge-tier, just don't.

Saegrimr wrote:The complaint was that instead of a stern talking to, he got a slap on the wrist, but that slap was TOO MUCH because of "muh antag round!"

I've NEVER been banned for something like this before. You're telling me you'd ban an antag, mid-round, for saying netspeak? With no admin PM? It's like you don't even know what you're implying when you try to defend this shit.

My complaint had NOTHING to do with the fact that I used netspeak, but aran's administration. I want people who use netspeak to be warned, at least 2 or 3 times, before getting bans. OOC in IC isn't even nearly as severe as needing slaps on the wrist like 15 minute bans that ruin rounds. That's given to IC in OOC people because IC in OOC can ruin OTHER people's rounds. If you do not see the fucking stupidity in applying bans to antags (or ANYONE) for such a minor thing then you are a fucking idiot and a hypocrite because I've seen several people walk around harmlessly in their round after reporting them for using netspeak. This implies either a) admins really don't give a shit or b) they got a warning in an admin PM because the admin handling the case isn't always drooling at the chance to use his ban hammer.

I know you're a new admin and you're really excited to justify overusing ban hammers and banning people which will usually lead to more drama and strife than actually talking to them in admin PMs would but you don't have to go and shit up threads and try to pretend like this is a normal thing all admins do because that's simply not true.

As I said in the other thread, i've done it before and I have no problem doing it again. Antag status is not a defining point in that.

This is doge-tier, just don't.

Admins have renamed ian to 'such corgi' and we've even had an april fools event that lasted MONTHS that made ian say shit like 'wow' 'such corgi' and shit on loop. Your point?

Oh, this is your point: We're allowed to say some memes but not others, otherwise you'll get a 15 minute ban!

Defending this shit is horrible and just makes you look bad. I'm giving you fair warning before you go and make yourself look like even more of an fuckass.

paprika wrote:I'm giving you fair warning before you go and make yourself look like even more of an fuckass.

ayyyyy

I dunno, I thought that if someone was going to make "lmao" a proper name it would be "Le Mao". But that's just me I guess.

the no netspeak rule is really stupid when you consider 1. you can literally say "ayy lamow" "lawl" "roffle" etc in real life 2. there are people who do those things in real life
i used to know a guy who would say "lol" instead of laughing. too much is probably bad but banning people for saying it once is ridiculous

miggles wrote:i used to know a guy who would say "lol" instead of laughing.

By "used to" that means you threw him off a bridge, right?

no because unlike the administration of /tg/station i dont have a massive fixation on shilling out harsh punishments to people who use netspeak

Well that's a shame.

... Well I had a thought. What about actually typing out the pronunciation to sound like a tool IC.


Like "El Oh El. Gee Gee No Arr Eh, Nub."

But it's still netspeak. Rules state "no netspeak".

CreationPro wrote:But it's still netspeak. Rules state "no netspeak".

Well if someone wants to type out "Gee gee no re", let them. If someone wants to type out "Ayy el-em-eh-oh" and sound like a complete tool, let them.

miggles wrote:no because unlike the administration of /tg/station i dont have a massive fixation on shilling out harsh punishments to people who use netspeak

How do you even get this BTFO

Is it that fucking difficult not to use chatspeak in IC chat? The difference between references and chatspeak is that one is actual speech and one is not. Is this seriously the fucking hill you want to die on? A 15-minute ban for chatspeak, which has been in the rules forever?

>15 minute ban
>15
>minute
>ban
>I'm pretty sure I've jacked off for longer at a time than this ban

Also, the Ian doge thing was an April Fool's joke that was reverted too late and unilaterally hated, it's really not a good comparison. (It was also days, not months.)

I'm not dying on any hill, I'd just like admins to stop being so wound up tight when it comes to things that are seriously pretty harmless

OOC in IC has never ruined anyone's round, ever, and unlike IC in OOC (which we have fittingly strict punishments for) this doesn't deserve instant 15 minute bans.

Plus, the rules don't even say this applies under the same banning format as IC in OOC. The rules say IC in OOC is banned for 15 minutes no matter what, and then over time it stacks up. It does not repeat this nor imply this is the case for chatspeak or emoticons or memes in IC.

If you're seriously saying it's fair for admins to slap 15 minute bans on people in the middle of antag rounds for saying memes when they were unaware or made a mistake (THAT DOESN'T EVEN AFFECT THE GAME, AT ALL) when it isn't even an established thing to ban people for 15 minutes right off the bat for this is fucking seriously stupid.

People are too dumb and blur IC in OOC with OOC in IC and that's bad administrating because they're two entirely different things, even if they sound similar. That's still YOUR fuckup. If you don't see why this is both bad administrating and admins need to wake the fuck up then you seriously need to improve your reading comprehension because last I checked we weren't anally retentive on our servers about OOC in IC.

Aran has no excuse for this, and neither does any other admin who bans people outright. I wouldn't want it to happen to me, or anyone else. The most people deserve for this is a warning PM and a note. I got neither of those things and had a round ruined because of it, and while you can say "LOL M-MUH ANTAG ROUND" and disregard the fact that antag rounds are what make playing the rest of the game even more fun that doesn't make it right nor 'public knowledge' just because you feel like defending a shitty ban over and over because of another crappy unwritten policy and bad ban by Aran.

paprika wrote:crappy unwritten policy

The Rules wrote:7. Speak like a normal person while in character. Don’t spam, either IC or OOC. Don’t use smileys, netspeak, etc. in IC speech.

I've gotten warned for this shit before, everyone makes mistakes, but you can't claim it's an unwritten policy when it is right there in the rules, has been for ages, and the only difference in this case is that it is a new forced meme.

Would you say "Open the airlock pls idc if im not allowed in ty" out loud in real life? No.

Its a role playing game. It isnt allowed here. This is honestly a rule that just hasn't been enforced until now.

Usually I am pro freedom, but I think having some standards doesn't hurt.

Maybe in the actual future on space station there will be total retards that memespeak, but that doesn't mean that we can't have a decent environment for roleplay.
Like, it is just nice to play without feeling I am on a station that is populated by /s4s/ posters.

i dont want to reiterate the argument anon made in the name thread but basically theres already people who talk in memes, in the future theres probably even more people that do.

miggles wrote:i dont want to reiterate the argument anon made in the name thread but basically theres already people who talk in memes, in the future theres probably even more people that do.

You should be able to kill people at random in the game, there's already serial killers in the world!!

Anyway, the rule is only partially about muh immersion or whatever. If we cut out the rule about netspeak because people can talk that way irl tho, now you can say AYYY LMAO all you want!
people see this all over, they say "ok i guess this is acceptable now"
now evry1 is talking like thls its k this is jus my irl accent plz dont oprss me adminz this isf so much fastr then tpying it out ne way

At least if you want to take the time to type out netspeak-type lingo in actual English like ThanatosRa suggested, then it's silly but still up to some standard.

you cant phonetically pronounce "lmao" outside of saying "la mow" or "la mayo" etc so yeah thats what i was talking about
and i already said

miggles wrote:too much is probably bad but banning people for saying it once is ridiculous

Can I talk in memes and netspeak as a spider clan ninja?

I remember once I had a few centcomm messages with spider clan that an admin orchestrated and it was all memes and L337 stuff. I figured that was their fluff... Weeabu 'so hacker' ninjas.

Cheridan wrote:You should be able to kill people at random in the game, there's already serial killers in the world!!

People who say memes = serial killers I understand now

Actually it's funny you say that, because I got banned for being an antag serial killer who said a meme

Holy shit can we like spawn a renamed tube of ointment next to someone who gets bant for Netspeaking and then bitching about it when the 15 minute ban wears off? Cause goddamn the amount of ass pain coming from people being told not to be autistic digg tard meme spouters is fucking hilarious.

Seriously Paprika. You can't expect NOT to be banned due to either OOC in IC or IC in OOC JUST because you are an antag.

miggles wrote:the no netspeak rule is really stupid when you consider 1. you can literally say "ayy lamow" "lawl" "roffle" etc in real life 2. there are people who do those things in real life
i used to know a guy who would say "lol" instead of laughing. too much is probably bad but banning people for saying it once is ridiculous

And those people are retards that should be shunned, SHUNNED!!

but you can roleplay a retard

You can also roleplay mass murderer.

nah
thats against the rules
rping a retard isnt

I hate people that do it, but if you're literally typing la mayo, I wouldn't think that's any grounds for banning, even if it is obnoxious. It's different from literally typing 'lmao look at that unrobust scrub'.

Mat13295 wrote:Holy shit can we like spawn a renamed tube of ointment next to someone who gets bant for Netspeaking and then bitching about it when the 15 minute ban wears off? Cause goddamn the amount of ass pain coming from people being told not to be autistic digg tard meme spouters is fucking hilarious.

Except this has never been a thing admins have applied immediate bans for until now.

firecage wrote:Seriously Paprika. You can't expect NOT to be banned due to either OOC in IC or IC in OOC JUST because you are an antag.

Except OOC in IC is completely different from IC in OOC and one of them is actually completely harmless towards the round and should be punished as such but admins have been increasingly overzealous with their banning towards it just because they're assmad and apparently you think this is an okay thing to do. I even tried to explain multiple times that while they sound the same only people with a brain will realize that they're completely different and yet WOW YOU EXPECT ANTAG PROTECTION FOR IC IN OOC? which is something I never even implied was what I wanted.

I dislike OOC in IC. I said it as a harmless joke that nobody but 2 people in atmospherics heard. This was not worthy of the same ban for something that can potentially ruin entire rounds and get the OOC muted (IC in OOC). Admins should be warning people in admin PMs, muting them from IC chat temporarily, or doing other shit to dissuade them from doing it, not applying bans.

If you don't realize how administration is done properly (punishment fitting the crimes) then you're actually retarded. Kneejerk banning for things without thinking through what the impact will be is something shitty admins do on bad servers. All this has done is made me bitter because I just see people saying memes IC all the time without getting banned the same way I did, and more often than not they aren't even antag.

If the objective behind the ban was to get me to be bitter and upset, then it's even worse than I thought. I wouldn't put that past Aran or the new trialmin putting down bans for saying 'ayy lmao' because neither of them seem to be thinking through their administration because their entire excuse for it in my admin complaint was 'you broke the rurus get bant lol' when the rules don't even say OOC in IC (netspeak, emoticons) is punished like IC in OOC. In fact it doesn't even imply that's a thing.

Also, 'autistic'? Coming from Mat13295? That's a bigger joke than my ban...

paprika wrote:All this has done is made me bitter because I just see people saying memes IC all the time without getting banned the same way I did, and more often than not they aren't even antag.

So ahelp it.

Saegrimr wrote:

paprika wrote:All this has done is made me bitter because I just see people saying memes IC all the time without getting banned the same way I did, and more often than not they aren't even antag.

So ahelp it.

I do. And they get a warning in adminPM or a note about it. It makes me feel like I was intentionally picked on by shitty admins. NOTHING in the rules nor the past (or current) behavior of admins eludes to these kinds of bans for this being normal.

What it looks like to me is shit admins looking for petty excuses to hand out bans because they can't tell the difference between IC in OOC and something usually completely harmless. Considering you're a new admin who apparently does this a lot, and Aran's track record, anyone with a brain that you ban for this shit is just going to be bitter about it. I've learned nothing but that people like to abuse their power over minor shit.

Psyentific wrote:

Mat13295 wrote:Cause goddamn the amount of ass pain coming from people being told not to be autistic digg tard meme spouters is fucking hilarious.

>psyentific emptyquoting and calling people autistic

Even more ironic than mat doing it. Just stop.

http://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic. ... 701#p33701

In the rounds I played this weekend, there was quite a bit of 'ayyyy lmao' over the radio.
An admin even said it a few times in OOC.

This seems like a policy that's being driven from 1 new admin. It sort of seems like TG wants to be like the absolute worst of bay and goon combined with the recent direction... freedom to be a complete asshole, except you must not break random specific rules enforced, created, and documented at random, that the playerbase itself doesn't even seem to want.

We discussed this and came to a consensus, including HBL, that it was not allowed and never has been allowed under the rules. It's in fashion to spam it on singulo and in OOC (because of me) but that's the extent of what's allowed. Why speculate when you have absolutely no idea?

damiac wrote:In the rounds I played this weekend, there was quite a bit of 'ayyyy lmao' over the radio.

And the three that I saw got bopped right away. I can't undo the chatspeak, but I encourage them to not do it again.
Its fine in OOC, nobody gives a shit about it in OOC.

Saegrimr wrote:And the three that I saw got bopped right away.

Can you elaborate? What were their actual punishments?

The same 15 minutes you got, one of which even got me a nice complaint since you're still in disbelief that nobody else has ever gotten this punishment. http://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=1606

If HBL was curious as to why you're making these kinds of bans just to prove a point you should probably stop. You're a new admin and just because admins aren't accountable to anyone that doesn't mean it's totally okay to make up your own rules and policies just because you personally don't like things. Nothing in the rules points to this being that serious of a rule that breaking earns this kind of banning. And you wonder why people are pissed off/confused when you make bans like this, it's fucking baffling.

paprika wrote:just because admins aren't accountable to anyone that doesn't mean it's totally okay to make up your own rules and policies just because you personally don't like things.

Please, tell me more about how i'm above all the other admins and how i'm going rogue without anybody around to stop me.
Soon enough i'll be overthrowing HBL and then taking my truck down to lift the servers off scaredy to sell them off for ad hosting.

Oh shit, why did I monologue about my evil plan. Damn you paprika, i'll get you for this!

>implying overthrowing HBL when he never bothers punishing any admins for fucking up would be hard
Is this a new meme?

Saegrimr wrote:OOC: HotelBravoLima: I literally can't be removed from power.

I'm suing you for abuse of my signature.


Wait, wasn't this a policy thread or something? Hm, yes.

Warnings exist, we don't have to ban on first offense. I mean, I have literally never seen anyone get banned for saying 'round' or 'lol' in game until now, at most it would be a bwoink warning.

Again, originally I just made people super retarded for spouting retarded things IC. A thread popped up in the seekrit club discussing what to do with these people and it was almost unanimously agreed for 15 minute bans, so I moved to that treating it like IC in OOC. (Which nobody seems to care THAT is a no-warning ban)

So after talking with hibbs, i've moved back down to warnings first, then bans.

IC in OOC should be a no warning ban like I've been explaining for a WEEK now that can ACTUALLY RUIN ROUNDS by someone giving away the round type.

OOC in IC is harmless, the worst it can do is ruin immersions more often than not and there's a MUCH bigger grey area with it.

"I broke the rules and the law won" - Paprika 2014

Really pap, is an inability to spout retarded memes that important?

Have you even been paying attention to what I've been saying, at all

Holy shit I'm not repeating myself again because you can't read you fuckass.