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What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:09 am
by Melonmancer
After an incident earlier today involving the bar shuttle I have been wondering; how are the ghost role bar staff (consisting of a drone and lusty xenomorph maid) expected act towards antagonists, the situations they create on the shuttle, and the crew in general?
The drone itself, as far as I'm aware, does not have standard drone laws, nor does the xenomorph maid have any. So, what is the bar staff expected to do when antagonists arrive at the bar? If they cause damage, such as attempting to blow up or depressurize the shuttle, is the drone expected to repair that damage? Can the bar staff (mainly the drone, as xenomorph maids are largely incapable of damage) attack antagonists in self defence? Pull/push them off the shuttle? If an antagonist plants a bomb, grenade, singularity beacon and so on, are the bar staff able to remove it? Are the staff expected to try and heal crew, and bring them out of dangerous areas of the shuttle? Should the staff try and intervene in situations to prevent harm, such as restraining crew? Should the drone simply act as any other drone, and if yes then how should the maid be treated?
What exactly is the role of these bar staff?
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:17 am
by PKPenguin321
Have you seriously not considered just serving drinks?
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:24 am
by CPTANT
I don't find bar staff preventing their bar from blowing up disproportionate at all.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:43 am
by Dax Dupont
laws = "1. Serve drinks.\n\
2. Talk to patrons.\n\
3. Don't get messed up in their affairs."
I'd look carefully at the 3rd law there.
Maybe it should be reworded, but the spirit of the law seems not to fuck with carbons.
The maid however has no laws, but is bound to server rules and regular escalation against the crew and the crew have relaxed escalation towards them as they are a ghost role.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:02 am
by kevinz000
they're both invulnerable and godmode, the drone should let antags do their antagging. even if that means the shuttle getting blown up. the maid should do the same. do your roles and don't interfere with fights with your godmode 10k health or whatever.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:42 am
by DemonFiren
oh no, the antags are about to escape on the shuttle
better spawn as ghostrole and get my valids before they greentext
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:49 am
by Saegrimr
DemonFiren wrote:oh no, the antags are about to escape on the shuttle
better spawn as ghostrole and get my valids before they greentext
Pretty much this and what Kevinz said.
You're invincible who fucking cares just watch the bar fight and try to get some dude still buckled in a chair drunk.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:08 pm
by Melonmancer
Hey, I'm as much against bar staff taking action as you all are. Thanks for all the responses, though.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:17 pm
by Bluespace
what a distressing thread
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:17 pm
by Dax Dupont
kevinz000 wrote:they're both invulnerable and godmode, the drone should let antags do their antagging. even if that means the shuttle getting blown up. the maid should do the same. do your roles and don't interfere with fights with your godmode 10k health or whatever.
We should probably flavor text this incode though.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:25 pm
by kevinz000
Dax Dupont wrote:kevinz000 wrote:they're both invulnerable and godmode, the drone should let antags do their antagging. even if that means the shuttle getting blown up. the maid should do the same. do your roles and don't interfere with fights with your godmode 10k health or whatever.
We should probably flavor text this incode though.
yeah we honestly should. someone do that after freeze please.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:38 pm
by iamgoofball
i'm going to just take away their godmode and replace the xeno with a human
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:52 pm
by cedarbridge
PKPenguin321 wrote:Have you seriously not considered just serving drinks?
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:05 pm
by kevinz000
iamgoofball wrote:i'm going to just take away their godmode and replace the xeno with a human
or they can just be rule bound to not interfere like drones how about that?
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:11 pm
by DemonFiren
code is something goof can fuck up, though
he doesn't know how rules work
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:23 pm
by iamgoofball
kevinz000 wrote:iamgoofball wrote:i'm going to just take away their godmode and replace the xeno with a human
or they can just be rule bound to not interfere like drones how about that?
>problem easily fixable from code
>lets add a rule instead
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:47 pm
by Rustledjimm
iamgoofball wrote:kevinz000 wrote:iamgoofball wrote:i'm going to just take away their godmode and replace the xeno with a human
or they can just be rule bound to not interfere like drones how about that?
>problem easily fixable from code
>lets add a rule instead
Who will stop the goof.
But seriously not every problem requires a hardcode fix.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:02 pm
by Atlanta-Ned
something something don’t trust the admins
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 11:01 pm
by Cobby
iamgoofball wrote:kevinz000 wrote:iamgoofball wrote:i'm going to just take away their godmode and replace the xeno with a human
or they can just be rule bound to not interfere like drones how about that?
>problem easily fixable from code
>lets add a rule instead
Surprisingly good post. I don't think admins exist to handle problems you can easily fix by code but choose not to because ???
I'm surprised this post doesn't have something linking Xeno MAID and MAID cafe & the shuttle being a vector for fetish content.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:14 am
by iamgoofball
Didnt feel like repeating myself again
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:29 am
by cedarbridge
Oh hey, its another "Goof trolls the policy threads to threaten PRs nobody asked for and nobody wants just to stir the pot" episode. Change the fucking channel.
Literally nothing needs to change in the code for something that isn't an issue in the first place.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:32 am
by Stickymayhem
In a line up that includes a giant fucking asteroid that kills a dozen people, disco inferno and two supermatters, we can have a godmoded bartender you have to behave yourself in front of for the last 3 minutes. It's not the end of the world.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:33 am
by Saegrimr
Honestly I never understood why they had godmode anyway.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:07 am
by Ayy Lemoh
Saegrimr wrote:Honestly I never understood why they had godmode anyway.
Tell an admin to spawn an animal with a lot of health, make it sentient, and see what happens.
People really love killing friendly animals.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:27 am
by oranges
Mostly people just killed it because it was an xeno and a maid and literally fetish bait and our players are ruthless as shit against anything that is valid
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:42 pm
by bandit
we have pacifist traits in the code now, why not just give them pacifist
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:31 pm
by iamgoofball
cedarbridge wrote:Oh hey, its another "Goof trolls the policy threads to threaten PRs nobody asked for and nobody wants just to stir the pot" episode. Change the fucking channel.
Literally nothing needs to change in the code for something that isn't an issue in the first place.
if this isnt an issue WHY IS THERE A FUCKING POLICY DISCUSSION THREAD FOR IT
STOP PRETENDING THAT THINGS YOU LIKE CAN'T POSSIBLY BE A PROBLEM
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:50 am
by Gigapuddi420
PKPenguin321 wrote:Have you seriously not considered just serving drinks?
Really all there is to it. A while back I'd be surprised this is even a problem, but I've seen experienced players fail to understand basic ghost roles so whatever.
The three main solutions I've seen seem fair enough, just pick one or all; slap players who abuse the bar drone role, big red obnoxious text on accepting the role telling them to just serve fucking drinks, code them so they can only do their role or remove godmode.
I'm fine with any of that. I don't see Xeno Maid being a problem, pretty sure all they can do is clean people and maybe push/block people, Xeno Maid is a non-issue. Bar Drone being immune to damage and having hands but no drone laws means it can be abused but our retarded playerbase should know exactly what a bar drone is meant to do. Just fucking ghost role ban the idiot, fuck rules lawyering they should know better.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:06 am
by Dax Dupont
I still think clarifying it in their flavor text is a good thing regardless.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:41 pm
by bandit
bandit wrote:we have pacifist traits in the code now, why not just give them pacifist
not to empty quote but is this possible for simple mobs
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:38 pm
by cedarbridge
iamgoofball wrote:cedarbridge wrote:Oh hey, its another "Goof trolls the policy threads to threaten PRs nobody asked for and nobody wants just to stir the pot" episode. Change the fucking channel.
Literally nothing needs to change in the code for something that isn't an issue in the first place.
if this isnt an issue WHY IS THERE A FUCKING POLICY DISCUSSION THREAD FOR IT
STOP PRETENDING THAT THINGS YOU LIKE CAN'T POSSIBLY BE A PROBLEM
Short answer? Because sometimes people are just dumb and make threads about it. If something needs to be changed or removed we'll let you know.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:49 pm
by Rustledjimm
Drones shouldn't interact with players we should just code it in so they can't touch humans or drag mob bodies.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:19 pm
by somerandomguy
Rustledjimm wrote:Drones shouldn't interact with players we should just code it in so they can't touch humans or drag mob bodies.
But then that interferes with free drones, hacked drones (if those ever get implemented), and cogscarabs.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:12 pm
by ohnopigeons
somerandomguy wrote:But then that interferes with free drones, hacked drones (if those ever get implemented), and cogscarabs.
If only there was some way to create exceptions for these cases...
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:45 pm
by Rustledjimm
Drones shouldn't interact with players we should just code it in so they can't touch humans or drag mob bodies.
/s
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:00 pm
by ohnopigeons
You can /s all you want but it's actually a good solution for standard drones.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:03 am
by somerandomguy
ohnopigeons wrote:You can /s all you want but it's actually a good solution for standard drones.
actually yeah, if (laws = initial(laws))
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:19 am
by Wyzack
Serve drinks didn't read the thread hope this helps
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:50 pm
by Anonmare
This thread has started to talk in circles. If you want a code solution, make a PR and see what happens, otherwise I think this thread should be locked as it's patently clear there's no debate on what they should be doing.
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:40 am
by The Clowns Pocket
PKPenguin321 wrote:Have you seriously not considered just serving drinks?
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:16 pm
by Denton
The Clowns Pocket wrote:PKPenguin321 wrote:Have you seriously not considered just serving drinks?
Re: What Should the Emergency Bar Staff be Doing?
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:37 pm
by Armhulen
Pkp is right think for yourself sheep!