/tg/Station 13

So with the large amount of suicides during nuke ops, and a policy thread related to that, what if we simply reduced the chance nuke ops can spawn?

All Game Mode Odds:
traitorchan 7.1%
traitor 33.3%
nuclear 19%
cult 9.5%
secret_extended 4.8%
revolution 14.3%
wizard 11.9%

Surely nuclear could be bumped down to 10% or so? Traitor could be bumped up a bit, as it seems to be the most popular gamemode. Every 1/5 games seems a tad much, and war seems to be declared 50% of the time or more.

Basically: Less nuke ops, more traitor/traitorchan.

The bigger problem is how often people do War Ops, people do it basically for the meme now.

I wouldn't mind having it kicked down to about 10% tbh

delete the war ops beacon at roundstart

Remember that the Game Odds from Check Server Revision scales depending on population and that it may not be as simple as "lower it to about 10%"

Headmins will have to chime in with how it's listed in the config, I believe it uses weights?

Nuke ops is too often for how short those round get. put the extra percentages in extended or something.

Nuke op shouldn't be more than wizard. I'd be in favor of dropping Ops and Wiz to a flat 10% and add those points directly to Traitor. If they're weighted based on server pop I'd say make it so that on high pop Nuke Ops/Wiz have around 10% chance. I dunno how the pop based weighting mechanics work.

Nuke ops themselves aren't even that bad, it's just that war ops is fucking aids and causes everyone to suicide.

War ops is the opposite of fun for the crew, it is stressful and frustrating for many people involved and as soon as the ops arrive a bunch of people will just die instantly. Nuke ops in general is not very fun for the crew because it's 20 minutes of nothing followed by mad panic and then the round is over before the 30 minute mark. It is a nice change of pace from traitor, but reducing the odds of it happening wouldn't be a bad idea. War ops could be removed, but that makes a lot of the more expensive gear basically unobtainable, which isn't as interesting.

subject217 wrote:War ops is the opposite of fun for the crew, it is stressful and frustrating for many people involved and as soon as the ops arrive a bunch of people will just die instantly. Nuke ops in general is not very fun for the crew because it's 20 minutes of nothing followed by mad panic and then the round is over before the 30 minute mark. It is a nice change of pace from traitor, but reducing the odds of it happening wouldn't be a bad idea. War ops could be removed, but that makes a lot of the more expensive gear basically unobtainable, which isn't as interesting.

Outside the realm of this topic but what if war-ops kept the delay, gave a reduced TC payout, but gave no GIANT ROUNDSTART MESSAGE stating the roundtype.

Fluff it as the syndicate scrounging up more support for the operatives.

Might make war-ops a more interesting choice. Do you attack quickly and catch the crew unprepared, or do you wait a bit and fight a crew with more stuff unlocked from natural round progression.

People would just declare war every time, or never at all. If you make the delay long enough to be meaningful (I'd say at least 30 minutes) it becomes incredibly boring for the people playing, who are basically twiddling their thumbs for 20 minutes so that they can kill the crew with extra TCs. The vast majority of players do not rush to develop maximum gamer validhunt gear the moment the round starts. The crew doesn't really get much stronger until more like the 50 minute mark, and at that point a bunch of people are dead or braindead anyway.

it's not necessarily about war ops reducing any roleplay pretense (although I do agree that it does that)

war ops is pretty fun for the nukies and it's nice to have a whole fuckload of tcs to spend on extremely expensive stuff

as i've said already regular nuke ops isn't that much more fun for the crew anyway, at least war ops let you know it's a joke round nice and early so you don't waste your time

Simply making everyone on the team have to war to enable it would curb it severely (so long as we tell people to not retaliate if someone decides not to war).

I can’t count how many times ops wouldn’t have warred if it wasn’t for one guy