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I know a thread about this already exists, but it's from 2015 and I ahelped about this recently and was told not to attack the holoparasite at all. Due to this, I've been very leery about following what's been stated in that thread.

Can we just make it so that if someone consciously elects to bind a holoparasite to them, anything that happens to the holoparasite (and consequently, to them) is essentially regarded as self-harm (which is the only form of harm that can be disregarded)? If someone chooses to get a holoparasite, I'm assuming they know the potential risks as well as the benefits of having one. Attempting to disable a holoparasite without killing the host is actually very difficult, especially if other people join in and start attacking the holoparasite/host. My concern is if I decided to attack a holoparasite that was hurting people/myself, and somehow end up landing the killing blow which then immediately kills the host whom my laws obligate me to protect from harm, have I contravened those laws?

Rather than making the host non-human, which was suggested in the original thread, regarding it as self-harm would still give them the same protections as any other human until they actually used the holoparasite in a harmful manner.

Alternatively, can I get an up-to-date, final ruling on whether it's kosher to attack holoparasites as an asimov or otherwise harm-preventing borg that I can refer back to for posterity? Thank you! ^^

I've always seen borgs attacking holoparasites without issue, as they're non-human.

That's what I thought too! So I was a bit confused when I was told to not attack the holopara. I just found the headmin rulings page on the wiki regarding this, so I'm gonna go with that:

"Holoparasites aren't human- a cyborg can attack the holoparasite but not the human. If the parasite recalls and the human is in critical, the borg must give him medical attention."

Guess this is addressed. ^^

kind of a strange ruling tbh since attacking a stand directly harms the human controlling that stand

DemonFiren wrote:kind of a strange ruling tbh since attacking a stand directly harms the human controlling that stand

I think the idea is that asimov borgs just aren't aware it hurts the human. At least that's the hand-wavy explanation.

It'd make stands too effective if they were both unstunnable and forced to be treated as Human in my eyes.

I remember chaos holos being picked every single round and I do not miss them

DemonFiren wrote:kind of a strange ruling tbh since attacking a stand directly harms the human controlling that stand

It's more due to the frustrating fact that this thing that isn't human can cause massive amount damage and harm, but you can't stop it. In a way you can only try to remove people from it...oh and stop people attacking it as they're causing human harm.

Asimov borgs and AIs are free to harm holoparasites as much as they damn well please. IC reasoning for this as that previous thread said is because borgs and AIs don't know that damaging the parasite damages the human. OOC reasoning is that outside of direct damage borgs and AIs have no way to deal with holoparasites and banning them from being able to fight back would be rather unfair.

I'll admit that personally I'd prefer to see holoparasites straight up removed from the code so we didn't need to have a snowflake policy like this to balance an item that is just a reference to some flavor of the month anime from a few years ago.

i was gonna post soemthing but owegno took the words out of my mouth (keyboard)

why do you have a keyboard in your mouth

DemonFiren wrote:why do you have a keyboard in your mouth