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Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:55 am
by wesoda25
So headmin elections and lots of candidates have mentioned roleplay and the separation of OOC and IC. Not a headmin thingy, just wanna get admin consensus on disguised OOC terms. If other people have questions we could make this a running thread or something.
Bans
- Is referring to bans as “being fired by centcomm” acceptable
Other Servers/Bagil-Terry-Sybil
- If we mention other servers, can we refer to them like this: “Yeah I’m from the hippie sector of space” or “I come from hippie station” or can we not mention server names like that?
Admins
- Referring to the admins collectively as centcomm is generally acceptable I know, but what about the other common variant, calling them Gods?
Previous Rounds
- I know this one is pretty much against the rules, but is it even enforced? Say Joe Schmoe kills off the station as viro last round, do admins get on people for saying round start: “Oh God who let Joe be viro again”, things of that nature.
Feel free to snowball.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:58 am
by Stickymayhem
At least dressing up OOC terms like this is a modicum of effort to be honest. I'd generally be ok with any of these options.
What I'd avoid are hints at clearly OOC things in game, like the roundtype "We've found traitors already, I doubt there are any nuke ops", for example.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:18 pm
by Cobby
Why are you bringing up bans in IC, but being suspended/fired/etc is sufficient
Sybil/Terry you can use their station names or “Sybil sector”, don’t really care. Absolutely no one cares if you’re from X server
Centcomm / Gods is fine
You can refer to past rounds but you can’t act on actions done in the past. May require some creativity, IE If you want to talk about a traitor round you can open up with you were in nt intelligence or something, I wouldn’t say you’re an ex syndicate as that’s just bait that I personally won’t entertain if someone acts on.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:50 am
by bandit
These are kind of borderline, but if you absolutely have to talk about this kind of thing IC, it's better than nothing.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:26 am
by NoxVS
Cobby wrote:You can refer to past rounds but you can’t act on actions done in the past. May require some creativity, IE If you want to talk about a traitor round you can open up with you were in nt intelligence or something, I wouldn’t say you’re an ex syndicate as that’s just bait that I personally won’t entertain if someone acts on.
In my head I always just imagined Nanotrasen keeping our DNA saved and just making a new clone and sending it out to every new station. Nanotrasen saves logs of all station activity which clones can access at any time to see what their past clones, and other's past clones, have done. Antags are just "sabotaged" clones brainwashed or converted by whoever wanted the station activity interfered with. So it wasn't "you" who was a traitor in a previous round, it was a past clone who was hijacked.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:19 am
by subject217
bandit wrote:These are kind of borderline, but if you absolutely have to talk about this kind of thing IC, it's better than nothing.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:43 am
by Qbmax32
These are funny and at least putting a modicum of effort into hiding OOC terms is okay by me. "You're gonna get fired by centcomm" or something similar always makes me chuckle.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:38 pm
by BeeSting12
My favorite is arresting a guy and then he gets really salty and says "I'm talking to the gods right now, id release me if i were you."
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:53 pm
by Screemonster
BeeSting12 wrote:My favorite is arresting a guy and then he gets really salty and says "I'm talking to the gods right now, id release me if i were you."
and all I can think of is that vid of the guy on the riding mower yelling "I HAVE THE POWER OF GOD" as he points a gun at a cop car
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:18 pm
by PKPenguin321
BeeSting12 wrote:My favorite is arresting a guy and then he gets really salty and says "I'm talking to the gods right now, id release me if i were you."
this is not the same thing as it's hardly IC unless it's the chaplain or whatever
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:00 am
by RandomMarine
BeeSting12 wrote:My favorite is arresting a guy and then he gets really salty and says "I'm talking to the gods right now, id release me if i were you."
This kind of thing from non-chaplains should be grounds for sticking them in the loony ward.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:18 am
by kevinz000
"ayyy lmao" ---> "ayyy elmayo"/"ayyyy lemoh" is one of my favorite examples.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:56 am
by iamgoofball
stop getting mad over people saying dumb abbreviations, people do it IRL
source: work a job where you have to listen to shithead teenagers
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:55 am
by NikNakFlak
this is a game
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:17 pm
by iamgoofball
NikNakFlak wrote:this is a game
then why are you getting mad over people using lingo common in gamer communities?
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:19 pm
by Rustledjimm
iamgoofball wrote:stop getting mad over people saying dumb abbreviations, people do it IRL
source: work a job where you have to listen to shithead teenagers
t. teenager
Personally I actually dislike the term Gods, it's almost always used by someone as a threat.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:17 pm
by Ayy Lemoh
kevinz000 wrote:"ayyy lmao" ---> "ayyy elmayo"/"ayyyy lemoh" is one of my favorite examples.
Yeah, I always use 'ayy lemoh' so admins don't ban me.
ayy lemoh kev likes me
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 2:52 pm
by Atlanta-Ned
nothing fills me with a white-hot, seething rage more than someone telling me they're talking to the gods. fuck you, you immersion bending fucks.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 4:27 pm
by Lumbermancer
Is Despacito an OOC term?
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:15 pm
by BeeSting12
Well I've seen a lizard named Des-Pa-Cito and a human named Despa Cito so no, it's not.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 9:45 pm
by Lumbermancer
So you're saying I just have to force something, and avoid being caught in the process?
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:18 pm
by bandit
oh my god do you all have actual brain damage
"ayy elmao" = dressing up chatspeak with extra syllables is still chatspeak, don't fucking do it
"despacito" = in case you weren't aware this is an actual name of an actual song that exists and can be said, and is also literally an actual word in spanish, so why the fuck wouldn't it be okay
this has been your rda of salt
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:29 pm
by wesoda25
bandit wrote:oh my god do you all have actual brain damage
"ayy elmao" = dressing up chatspeak with extra syllables is still chatspeak, don't fucking do it
"despacito" = in case you weren't aware this is an actual name of an actual song that exists and can be said, and is also literally an actual word in spanish, so why the fuck wouldn't it be okay
this has been your rda of salt
SPEAKING OTHER LANGUAGES THAN ENGLISH IS PROBIBITED AS IT GIVES AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE TO THE MULTI-LINGUAL. THEREFORE SAYING DESPACITO = SEVERE POWERGAMING
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:17 pm
by PKPenguin321
bandit wrote:oh my god do you all have actual brain damage
"ayy elmao" = dressing up chatspeak with extra syllables is still chatspeak, don't fucking do it
but it's absolutely something you can say in real life
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:33 pm
by DemonFiren
I can also say "George Melons is griffing me" in real life
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:37 pm
by Arianya
PKPenguin321 wrote:bandit wrote:oh my god do you all have actual brain damage
"ayy elmao" = dressing up chatspeak with extra syllables is still chatspeak, don't fucking do it
but it's absolutely something you can say in real life
This has always been a shitty defense of low effort netspeak in IC.
You are playing a game that is ostensibly about roleplaying. While we don't enforce many rules as far as that goes, it's not much to ask people to please refrain from using netspeak in IC, even if they would, in fact, say "brb"/"lol"/etc. in real life.
No one's asking you to crack out a thesaurus and get all poetic about it, just use complete sentences with full words.
I realize this deprives certain people of the
extremely funny and original joke of going "ayyy lmao" but I think somehow our community will survive this challenge.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 1:42 am
by PKPenguin321
Arianya wrote:PKPenguin321 wrote:bandit wrote:oh my god do you all have actual brain damage
"ayy elmao" = dressing up chatspeak with extra syllables is still chatspeak, don't fucking do it
but it's absolutely something you can say in real life
This has always been a shitty defense of low effort netspeak in IC.
You are playing a game that is ostensibly about roleplaying. While we don't enforce many rules as far as that goes, it's not much to ask people to please refrain from using netspeak in IC, even if they would, in fact, say "brb"/"lol"/etc. in real life.
But if you would say it in real life, doesn't that make it even more like roleplaying?
I agree that we shouldn't have people going "tbh smh irl famalam lmao" IC but if some silly shit happens it's totally within the realm of reality to hit it with a sarcastic "El em ay oh" or something
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:38 am
by DemonFiren
>sarcasm
as if
no one's gonna use it that way
people will only use to be SiLlY aNd WaCkY xD
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:51 am
by PKPenguin321
Oh nooo
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:06 pm
by Lumbermancer
bandit wrote:"despacito" = in case you weren't aware this is an actual name of an actual song that exists and can be said, and is also literally an actual word in spanish, so why the fuck wouldn't it be okay
AI play despacito 2
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:56 pm
by Ayy Lemoh
Arianya wrote:
This has always been a shitty defense of low effort netspeak in IC.
You are playing a game that is ostensibly about roleplaying. While we don't enforce many rules as far as that goes, it's not much to ask people to please refrain from using netspeak in IC, even if they would, in fact, say "brb"/"lol"/etc. in real life.
No one's asking you to crack out a thesaurus and get all poetic about it, just use complete sentences with full words.
I realize this deprives certain people of the extremely funny and original joke of going "ayyy lmao" but I think somehow our community will survive this challenge.
main post
Best solution, imo, would be banning lmao or any disguised netspeak version HOWEVER you can still say 'ayy'.
Because you gotta be fucking kidding me if you say the entire phrase is banned. People even call fucking xenomorphs 'ayyliens' despite me thinking that's the wrong term.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:52 pm
by Cobby
Again, if you want to enforce this put it on a filter via code.
It doesn't make sense one can realistically (and people do) say it IRL and is perfectly allowed via message systems within the game world (pda for example) but saying it in conversation is an admin-worthy issue.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:30 pm
by bandit
Ayy Lemoh wrote:Best solution, imo, would be banning lmao or any disguised netspeak version HOWEVER you can still say 'ayy'.
Because you gotta be fucking kidding me if you say the entire phrase is banned. People even call fucking xenomorphs 'ayyliens' despite me thinking that's the wrong term.
this is literally the rule though
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:21 pm
by Arianya
Cobby wrote:Again, if you want to enforce this put it on a filter via code.
It doesn't make sense one can realistically (and people do) say it IRL and is perfectly allowed via message systems within the game world (pda for example) but saying it in conversation is an admin-worthy issue.
Code text filters almost always end up with false positives and other shit which invariably end up being worse then the thing they aim to fix.
No one's gotten banned over textspeak and I severely doubt many have even gotten notes, it's just one of those simple small things which people should do to make SS13 slightly more immersive and I don't think we need to be delineating specific words that are okay or trying to reinvent the wheel when it comes to enforcing it.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:33 pm
by bandit
Arianya wrote:No one's gotten banned over textspeak and I severely doubt many have even gotten notes
they do and they have, but they're generally 5-15 minute bans like IC in OOC would be
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:19 am
by Cobby
Arianya wrote:Cobby wrote:Again, if you want to enforce this put it on a filter via code.
It doesn't make sense one can realistically (and people do) say it IRL and is perfectly allowed via message systems within the game world (pda for example) but saying it in conversation is an admin-worthy issue.
Code text filters almost always end up with false positives and other shit which invariably end up being worse then the thing they aim to fix.
No one's gotten banned over textspeak and I severely doubt many have even gotten notes, it's just one of those simple small things which people should do to make SS13 slightly more immersive and I don't think we need to be delineating specific words that are okay or trying to reinvent the wheel when it comes to enforcing it.
I'm certain you can code it in a way that it looks for the entirety of the word and not within a word. Even then we're talking about netspeak here, it's not like you're going to commonly use a word with "rofl" or "lol" or "ayyyy" in it...
SS13 is meant to be in a setting centuries from now, I'm not sure if I think removing internet culture or "memes" makes it more immersive. Surely they would have had access to the contents of the internet. I dunno I just think it's a bit silly to get upset to the point of bwoinking/noting/banning about netspeak in a roleplay of this setting.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:13 pm
by bandit
Cobby wrote:I'm certain you can code it in a way that it looks for the entirety of the word and not within a word. Even then we're talking about netspeak here, it's not like you're going to commonly use a word with "rofl" or "lol" or "ayyyy" in it...
ironic coming from someone whose main is called
Lola Cobblestone
also good luck if you want to talk about the borg's lollipops
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:33 pm
by Cobby
Didn’t even consider my name I’ve been out-thunked.
Still the entirety of the word is plausible to my knowledge, we already use it for speech modifiers like the beret, mustache, lucha mask etc. I don’t think it’s going to be a big issue as the people on this thread suggest.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:43 pm
by Nilons
I think people threatening to call god on you as soon as their timer goes over 10 minutes is THE FUNNIEST thing please don't take it away
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:43 pm
by SpaceManiac
Code-side word filters are a terrible idea even without considering the fact that what is ok/what isn't is largely contextual and changes over time, sometimes rapidly.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:00 pm
by Cobby
SpaceManiac wrote:Code-side word filters are a terrible idea even without considering the fact that what is ok/what isn't is largely contextual and changes over time, sometimes rapidly.
For the most offensive things, particularly smileys, it would be alright as those will never be acceptable since we have me's.
For netspeak I'm of the opinion it shouldn't really be handled at all oocly as long as it's not "rofl lol tbh fam" or something so gamer-bound you can't help to smite them with brain damage, but we keep getting 5000 flavors of this dumb thread so i'd prefer the solution that doesn't get people banned/blackmar... i mean noted.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:46 pm
by Nilons
Every time I try to type an emoticon into ooc the game tries to trick me into getting banned by asking if I meant to say that IC
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:09 pm
by Cobby
With the amount of accidental ic in ooc, I take the feature with the grain of salt tbh
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:17 pm
by bandit
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:50 pm
by Cobby
Agreed, not excluding admin-enforced ones.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:19 am
by Arianya
Cobby I realize the thought of people being bwoinked breaks you out in hives but if you start allowing people to use "sry" "thx" and so on and so forth it'll be a race to the bottom to see who can put less effort in.
Ultimately as far as our rules go its a pretty minor request and one that doesn't even really come up with people other then maybe a few times when they're new to the server, and which is easy enough to correct.
Let's not make mountains out of molehills by overblowing the "omg admin bwoinking me FNR"
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:39 am
by oranges
Just don't play when dax or ari are on the server, you'll save yourself a lot of grief.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:28 pm
by Iatots
Maybe it's because I am not a native english speaker, but I don't associate the "lmao" in ayy lmao with the actual words it stands for. It's just a funny vocalization an alien makes when something amusing happens.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:03 pm
by Cobby
Arianya wrote:Cobby I realize the thought of people being bwoinked breaks you out in hives but if you start allowing people to use "sry" "thx" and so on and so forth it'll be a race to the bottom to see who can put less effort in.
Ultimately as far as our rules go its a pretty minor request and one that doesn't even really come up with people other then maybe a few times when they're new to the server, and which is easy enough to correct.
Let's not make mountains out of molehills by overblowing the "omg admin bwoinking me FNR"
Typically when someone shorthands like an idiot I say in character "what is sry?" so they automatically correct themselves, without any admin intervention required. I personally would like to see someone continue so they get sent to medical for a lobotomy or something. We should encourage self-administration (to a degree) and staying within character since *bwoink* got a moment? is just as immersion-breaking as someone dropping the evil "sry" or "thx" out of habit on rare occasion.
Re: Disguising OOC terms icly
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:47 pm
by bandit
I bwoink people regularly for this and I have very rarely gotten pushback, probably since I frame it as a reminder and not a YOU'RE IN TROUBLE NOW FAM