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Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:55 am
by wesoda25

Bottom post of the previous page:

So headmin elections and lots of candidates have mentioned roleplay and the separation of OOC and IC. Not a headmin thingy, just wanna get admin consensus on disguised OOC terms. If other people have questions we could make this a running thread or something.

Bans
- Is referring to bans as “being fired by centcomm” acceptable

Other Servers/Bagil-Terry-Sybil
- If we mention other servers, can we refer to them like this: “Yeah I’m from the hippie sector of space” or “I come from hippie station” or can we not mention server names like that?

Admins
- Referring to the admins collectively as centcomm is generally acceptable I know, but what about the other common variant, calling them Gods?

Previous Rounds
- I know this one is pretty much against the rules, but is it even enforced? Say Joe Schmoe kills off the station as viro last round, do admins get on people for saying round start: “Oh God who let Joe be viro again”, things of that nature.

Feel free to snowball.

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:03 pm
by Cobby
Arianya wrote:Cobby I realize the thought of people being bwoinked breaks you out in hives but if you start allowing people to use "sry" "thx" and so on and so forth it'll be a race to the bottom to see who can put less effort in.

Ultimately as far as our rules go its a pretty minor request and one that doesn't even really come up with people other then maybe a few times when they're new to the server, and which is easy enough to correct.

Let's not make mountains out of molehills by overblowing the "omg admin bwoinking me FNR"
Typically when someone shorthands like an idiot I say in character "what is sry?" so they automatically correct themselves, without any admin intervention required. I personally would like to see someone continue so they get sent to medical for a lobotomy or something. We should encourage self-administration (to a degree) and staying within character since *bwoink* got a moment? is just as immersion-breaking as someone dropping the evil "sry" or "thx" out of habit on rare occasion.

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:47 pm
by bandit
I bwoink people regularly for this and I have very rarely gotten pushback, probably since I frame it as a reminder and not a YOU'RE IN TROUBLE NOW FAM

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:06 pm
by Cobby
bandit wrote:I bwoink people regularly for this and I have very rarely gotten pushback, probably since I frame it as a reminder and not a YOU'RE IN TROUBLE NOW FAM
Thank you for your service bgo (not sarcasm).

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:28 pm
by Dax Dupont
Stickymayhem wrote:At least dressing up OOC terms like this is a modicum of effort to be honest. I'd generally be ok with any of these options.

What I'd avoid are hints at clearly OOC things in game, like the roundtype "We've found traitors already, I doubt there are any nuke ops", for example.
this

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:30 pm
by obscolene
"Shut up, Jim. It's revs, there can't be nuke ops. There can only be one antag type per round, idiot. Hold on, the faggot gods are chewing me out for some bullshit idk xD"

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:02 am
by PKPenguin321
obscolene wrote:"Shut up, Jim. It's revs, there can't be nuke ops. There can only be one antag type per round, idiot. Hold on, the faggot gods are chewing me out for some bullshit idk xD"
this is not what is being discussed in this thread but WOW that rustled me

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:20 am
by wesoda25
PKPenguin321 wrote:
obscolene wrote:"Shut up, Jim. It's revs, there can't be nuke ops. There can only be one antag type per round, idiot. Hold on, the faggot gods are chewing me out for some bullshit idk xD"
this is not what is being discussed in this thread but WOW that rustled me
Tfw this is closer to the beginning of the thread than the current code filter discussion. Yet another policy discussion turns to code :(

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:05 am
by PKPenguin321
wesoda25 wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:
obscolene wrote:"Shut up, Jim. It's revs, there can't be nuke ops. There can only be one antag type per round, idiot. Hold on, the faggot gods are chewing me out for some bullshit idk xD"
this is not what is being discussed in this thread but WOW that rustled me
Tfw this is closer to the beginning of the thread than the current code filter discussion. Yet another policy discussion turns to code :(
no no, the thread is about disguising OOC terms, like saying "Centcomm put me on leave" when you mean "I was banned". what he posted wasn't even a little bit disguised. but yeah

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:36 am
by subject217
he said gods instead of admins so clearly mystery ooc in ic man here is actually a master of roleplay

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:52 pm
by WarbossLincoln
PKPenguin321 wrote:
obscolene wrote:"Shut up, Jim. It's revs, there can't be nuke ops. There can only be one antag type per round, idiot. Hold on, the faggot gods are chewing me out for some bullshit idk xD"
this is not what is being discussed in this thread but WOW that rustled me

Shit like that bugs me more than it probably should. I like when admins mix antags to mess with people when they start shouting "It's X, there can't be Y"(which is way too often). Sometime within the last week there were revs during a wizard round and Sec ignored the reports of flashing because a wizard had been confirmed and in their mind it's 100% impossible for there to be revs and a wizard.

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:12 am
by iamgoofball
>"fucking admins bwoinked me one second"
>admin says to not use OOC in IC
>"sorry i mean the gods are speaking to me one second"
>admin bans you for complying with their orders

This is why we shouldn't be banning people for, you know, complying with existing policy.

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 4:19 am
by NikNakFlak
Nobody should listen to goofs post, it isn't relevant and is a niche example that doesn't happen

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:59 am
by iamgoofball
NikNakFlak wrote:Nobody should listen to goofs post, it isn't relevant and is a niche example that doesn't happen
Then why does this thread have not only a head admin but another high up senior admin stating that they do not approve of people using goc as an IC replacement for admins?
Rustledjimm wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:stop getting mad over people saying dumb abbreviations, people do it IRL

source: work a job where you have to listen to shithead teenagers
t. teenager


Personally I actually dislike the term Gods, it's almost always used by someone as a threat.
Atlanta-Ned wrote:nothing fills me with a white-hot, seething rage more than someone telling me they're talking to the gods. fuck you, you immersion bending fucks.

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:10 am
by Arianya
"a head admin but another high up senior admin stating that they do not approve of people using" != "YOU WILL BE INSTANTLY BANNED FOR SAYING GODS"

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:49 pm
by Mickyan
This seems like an odd thing to get riled over when you still see "g absorbing AI" and "VIVA" constantly getting shouted over the radio and nobody bats an eye

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:45 pm
by Atlanta-Ned
iamgoofball wrote:another high up senior admin
lmao

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:46 pm
by iamgoofball
Atlanta-Ned wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:another high up senior admin
lmao
I mean you've been here for ages

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:52 pm
by Atlanta-Ned
I have no influence.

PS as far as I can tell from the DB no one has been banned for referring to the admins as "the gods".

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:17 pm
by Rustledjimm
If I banned people for merely not approving of their actions there would be far fewer players :^)

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:38 am
by obscolene
There's a difference between blaming 'the gods' for catastrophic meteors, and threatening to tell 'the gods' on someone if they 'don't stop being a faggot.' Both of them indicate that the poster is of low IQ, but only the latter busts my immersion in the kneecaps like the italian mafia.

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:46 am
by Arianya
obscolene wrote:There's a difference between blaming 'the gods' for catastrophic meteors, and threatening to tell 'the gods' on someone if they 'don't stop being a faggot.' Both of them indicate that the poster is of low IQ, but only the latter busts my immersion in the kneecaps like the italian mafia.
Hit the nail on the head, basically.

Re: Disguising OOC terms icly

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:40 am
by Arianya
In summary: Disguising OOC terms with IC substitutes is fine, but don't be a dork and use this as an excuse to just completely destroy immersion.

Also, don't use textspeak in IC. This isn't really a ruling since it's already how it's handled but it came up in the thread so I'll mention it.