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It's to prevent griefing during delta since basically all humans are non-antag at that point anyway. All griefers who are fucking with sec/heads of staff at that point are valid city last I heard.

Same goes for nuke, even though there's basically no way you can disarm the nuke anymore short of an op telling you the code.

It's more so in place so a no-nonsense head of staff can get non-compliant crew members out of the way, even if that means having to go lethal. Sadly even in Code Delta situations there are plenty of people who will still refuse the orders of the Cap/HoS/Whoever.

So afaik yes, if that assistant refuses to comply with your order you are within your right to execute them. However I would observe some restrain personally.

Double post I know, however last time I heard SoS and adminbus disagreed with this and wanted to remove the execution clause.

I don't know if that went through sadly since I rarely witness the Code Delta message and when I do I'm not thinking of that clause.

When the AI goes delta and you're shitting things up bad enough that a head of staff is willing to execute you on the spot, you probably have bigger problems heading your way in the form of BWOINK.

I remember talking with SoS about this; it's basically a null rule, don't do it. SoS has said he doesn't want people getting executed for not following orders in Delta.

I made a PR changing the config files for but closed it after we decided it'd be easier to just ask SoS to change the config files, which I apparently never did.

Honestly, we need some actual difference between something as serious as alert codes. Shorter shuttle times are fine and all, but green and blue are practically identical, red shortening shuttle time of arrival and otherwise being absolutely the same, with delta being just an indication of antagonist activity (does it even reduce shuttle ETA?)

Green and Blue alert are essentially identical as I have it on good authority that Green alert does not constrict Security's ability to do what they want, meaning they can still have weapons visible and search suspects.

The only difference in Delta alert up until recently was the ability for heads of staff to summarily execute disobedient underlings and to alert the station to one of two antagonist activities (Ops arming the nuke/AI going full malf). However with the desired change (which I disagree with personally) now the only thing Code Delta has over Code Blue is to warn of antagonist activity.

Green alert: Everything is fine, resume normal work. Round starts with this.
Blue alert: Suspicious activities detected, be on guard. This switches on automatically for most, if not all round types here.
Red alert: Confirmed hostile activity detected, remain in your department or seek shelter, depending on the threat. Only happens when the Heads are competent.
Delta alert: Situation critical; crew should attempt to either flee or assist if possible without getting in the way of the heads/ security. This means if they give you an order, you do it. Only possible via Malf AI and Nuclear Operatives, code wise, at the moment. Perhaps we need a way to be able to call it under extreme situations.
Epsilon alert: All contracts terminated; Deathsquad sent out to eliminate the remaining crew and threats. Only an admin can do this, and with DeathSquad removed, it's hard to do anyways. Personally, I don't like the idea of being able to execute people immediately because they got in your way during Delta. If they get in your way there are much better ways to temporarily stop them. Telescopic batons were added for a reason. If they STILL get in your way, then you should probably Ahelp it. If there is no admins and you don't have ANY means of stopping them temporarily, then it's time for more lethal means. If you're the Head of Security/ Security officer/ Captain/ Chief Medical officer, you shouldn't have an issue with stopping someone (More so for the Head of Security/ Security officer/ Captain.).

In terms of alerts, I think they should be taken more seriously. The alerts should be rewritten, perhaps, to make them more /tg/station styled and easier to follow. Nothing that really restricts anyone, of course.

Even if the threat of execution is never used, I like the idea that its there. As somebody already mentioned, if the AI just went Delta and you're actively pissing off a head of staff trying to stop said AI from literally killing everyone, you really deserve to be executed on the spot or removed.

Shouldn't stuff like "don't disobey your superiors or else DEATH" be Code Red policy, instead of Delta? As far as I know, Delta is only used for Nuke emergencies. You shouldn't really care about people obeying you when the nuke is about to go off, just worry about getting yourself and your underlings to the shuttle asap.

Scott wrote:Shouldn't stuff like "don't disobey your superiors or else DEATH" be Code Red policy, instead of Delta? As far as I know, Delta is only used for Nuke emergencies. You shouldn't really care about people obeying you when the nuke is about to go off, just worry about getting yourself and your underlings to the shuttle asap.

Considering all it takes to call a code red is two ID swipes, no please.
We don't need a full Hitler captain and Head of Security killing everyone that disobeys them because they decided to call red alert so everyone DOES have to obey them.

Spacemanspark wrote: so everyone DOES have to obey them.

You know. What they're supposed to be doing in the first place.

cedarbridge wrote:

Spacemanspark wrote: so everyone DOES have to obey them.

You know. What they're supposed to be doing in the first place.

Yes, but being able to outright kill them over it won't solve anything, that'll just start riots and greytide.

Spacemanspark wrote:

Scott wrote:Shouldn't stuff like "don't disobey your superiors or else DEATH" be Code Red policy, instead of Delta? As far as I know, Delta is only used for Nuke emergencies. You shouldn't really care about people obeying you when the nuke is about to go off, just worry about getting yourself and your underlings to the shuttle asap.

Considering all it takes to call a code red is two ID swipes, no please.
We don't need a full Hitler captain and Head of Security killing everyone that disobeys them because they decided to call red alert so everyone DOES have to obey them.

Your fears are unfounded.

Delta should really be activatable in Revs/Cults.

Because those are the rounds where the shit really does hit the fan and the threat is an unknown enemy within, rather than a highly visible external(ish) source.