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NEW POLICY RULE REQUEST
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:16 am
by lmwevil
okay i'm sick of these threads being endless chatter with no endgoal or formal suggestions.
if you have a problem with X rule, that's cool and fine and you can scream about it. but actually propose a real fucking solution.
good example:
SILICON POLICY IS SHIT BECAUSE X
I PROPOSE Y BE PUT IN (y being an actual well written rule or draft rule for example to be discussed)
bad example:
orange man bad, give new unga
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I feel that policy threads too often are questions, angry, not thought out or requests. i really want them to be proposed solutions to problems and not just the vapid crap most of them devolve into.
what do we think about my salty thread guys?
Re: NEW POLICY RULE REQUEST
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:17 am
by lmwevil
doublepost: i think that this would mean most of them CAN get resolved in some manner instead of ending up mothballed and put in a silent grave like most
Re: NEW POLICY RULE REQUEST
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:33 am
by SkeletalElite
The description of policy discussion is literally "Ask and discuss policy about game conduct and rules." It doesn't necessarily have to be a suggestion. If this is even a problem, the solution would be to split into two sub forums. So Policy Discussions (current) and Policy Suggestions (has to be an actual request for a change)
Re: NEW POLICY RULE REQUEST
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:48 am
by lmwevil
SkeletalElite wrote:The description of policy discussion is literally "Ask and discuss policy about game conduct and rules." It doesn't necessarily have to be a suggestion. If this is even a problem, the solution would be to split into two sub forums. So Policy Discussions (current) and Policy Suggestions (has to be an actual request for a change)
i'm suggesting a change you doof
Re: NEW POLICY RULE REQUEST
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:55 am
by SkeletalElite
What Im saying is it doesn't seem necessary
as per this thread
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 33&t=11057
Proposing a new policy (rule change)
You have an idea for a new rule/change to an existing rule and want to see it put into action. Users can comment on if they like it or not. Ultimately, the thread ends when some majority of headmins have made a ruling on putting the proposed rule into action or ignoring it.
Good example: Make catpeople valid. The thread is resolved with a unanimous headmin ruling to ignore the proposed rule.
Real life example: viewtopic.php?f=33&t=10837 Proposed rule to make zombies act like zombies. Now enforced by treating zombies as a team antagonist.
Bad example: I hate greytiders. There isn't any proposed rule or policy change, just a statement. The thread is locked.
Real life example: viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9238 viewtopic.php?f=33&t=10759 Two threads, both about greytiding, both with endless bickering, both accomplishing nothing policy-wise because a rule change was never actually proposed.
There are exceptions to this. Threads like the bad example may be allowed to roam free for a while if the policy issue is believed to be serious enough to warrant discussion. Players and admins alike can brainstorm on a new rule or a change to existing rules to resolve the policy issue. Generally, however, these threads derail and don't end up with any good proposed new rules, so please avoid making them where you can. An example would be this thread, where an admin reaches out to players asking for help with making a big policy clarification. Another would be this thread, where a major policy issue was brought up but with no proposed solution or definite question, with the purpose of allowing players to express if they thought it was really an issue and how it could be handled. Neither thread brought about a definite meaningful solution, so hopefully this makes it clear why these types of threads should be avoided where possible.
There's already a similar rule to what you've proposed in place. It's just enforcement that's the issue.
Re: NEW POLICY RULE REQUEST
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:46 am
by PKPenguin321
Yep, I already put this all in place when I was headmin. Sadly the current headmins aren't as eager to resolve or lock down policy threads as I once was.
Re: NEW POLICY RULE REQUEST
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:57 am
by bobbahbrown
there's been two threads about fixing ban appeal template thread with no action, where is the accountability of this administration
Re: NEW POLICY RULE REQUEST
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:46 pm
by lmwevil
PKPenguin321 wrote:Yep, I already put this all in place when I was headmin. Sadly the current headmins aren't as eager to resolve or lock down policy threads as I once was.
this makes me so sad, empower jannies to lock down policy threads then?