/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:49 pm**

So aparently its too big of a deal to just simply remove a song thats completley off beat to the game, was left over from someone put it in because "le funny" and is probably iffy on copyright grounds.

So here I am, making a poll so we can get it removed.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:04 pm**

replace with space asshole

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:46 pm**

Shadowflame909 wrote:replace with space asshole

Agree

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:55 pm**

The fact that it is copyright infringement is enough reason to remove it.

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:31 pm**

I’m pretty sure it WAS removed, code side at least, but as it is config it remains ingame. Meaning admins should have removed it ages ago.

In the same vein, Endless Space was added codeside, however remains unplayed since headmins have yet to add it. Can you do both?

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:41 pm**

relevant: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/issues/48534

Posted: **Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:21 pm**

This has bugged me for ages. IIRC, it was added at the same time as Leslie Fish's space folk/filk music was, then both were removed, and finally this was re-added for some reason.
Leslie Fish's science fiction stuff is the most SS13 music I've ever encountered, but it was removed in favour of a shitty meme. I have lobby themes muted because of it.

Posted: **Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:17 am**

robocop is the only ss13 intro that is acceptable and I say that as a ssethtider.

Fuck the room theme.

Posted: **Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:43 am**

keep room theme and add space asshole

Posted: **Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:13 am**

Qbmax32 wrote:keep room theme and add space asshole

can't believe people don't like the room theme anymore wtf

Posted: **Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:49 am**

Armhulen wrote: can't believe people don't like the room theme anymore wtf

Because its not "a classic" and it doesn't fit the style of the game. Its not even retro sounding like tintin was.

Posted: **Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:57 am**

Add the 8-bit version from the game.

Posted: **Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:59 am**

NecromancerAnne wrote:Add the 8-bit version from the game.

Great compromise for people who still like the dramatic setting of the room this game attaches itself to while keeping a retro theme the rest of the tracks are about.

Posted: **Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:35 am**

i dont WANT a compromise, i want it GONE

real talk though it should already be gone there isn’t need for compromise, rather headmins to finally update config file (if that is indeed the issue)

Posted: **Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:27 am**

I want digg to leave and to take this shitty poll with them.

NecromancerAnne wrote:Add the 8-bit version from the game.

Note: Add, don't replace.

Posted: **Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:15 pm**

Either we remove it now or a permabanned player reports this to Vampire Car Man and we get a cease and desist.
Also I have noticed an unused lobby track, would like to see it used.

Posted: **Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:52 pm**

As far as I understand, the lobby themes have been a constant source of strife over the years, partially because they are handled by configs which rarely get updated. For example, The Room theme was supposed to be removed by this PR: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/28879, yet it still has kept playing for years (and as far as I know there were no PRs which readded it).
Relatedly, I also vaguely recall someone at some point being annoyed by all these constant arguments about lobby themes, so they intentionally set the server to have its own list of them which was separate from the codebase's. This is possibly the explanation for why The Room theme is still around.

Also, I would love to see this song as a replacement: It seems like alot of other servers besides /tg/ use it as a theme.

Posted: **Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:57 pm**

Pulling the Room theme and replacing it with title0.ogg seems like a no-brainer to me.

edit: title0.ogg is Endless Space, for the record:

[youtube]Ae2N5310MXE[/youtube]

Posted: **Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:10 pm**

I am not really sure how people can advocate for keeping a song that is obviously copyrighted.

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:52 am**

I doubt we got permission for Robocop or Tintin On The Moon either though...

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:28 am**

i don't dislike it as much as other people do, but i also legitimately don't understand how it's still in

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:38 am**

eldomtom2 wrote:I doubt we got permission for Robocop or Tintin On The Moon either though...

the composer of tintin on the moon commented on a youtube video of our version and he was pretty flattered

Jeroen Tel
1 year ago
Thanks for remixing one of my finest compositions on Commodore 64.
JT in Space. <3 (bro-hug)

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:16 pm**

eldomtom2 wrote:I doubt we got permission for Robocop or Tintin On The Moon either though...

All these three are not the original songs and are derivatives or remixes of the original therefore have their own copyright.
Title 1 (flip-flap) is probably the most iffy, given it as for use must ask permission. And I have no idea if that was ever obtained.
Title 2 (robocop) is from a now deleted animation so Im not sure how that would go.
Title 3 (tintin on the moon) as written above original creator seems fine so doubtful its an issue
Title 0 (endless space) CC with attributes as credited in the server files.

The room is the only one thats defiantly 100% a copyright issue given its from a """major""" motion picture.

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:06 pm**

peoplearestrange wrote:Title 2 (robocop) is from a now deleted animation so Im not sure how that would go.

uhh, pas,

[youtube]rhZBDNQ3gas[/youtube]

it's literally called robocop because it's a song from robocop on gameboy

the animation you're thinking of also stole it

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:19 pm**

Qbopper wrote:
peoplearestrange wrote:Title 2 (robocop) is from a now deleted animation so Im not sure how that would go.
uhh, pas,

[youtube]rhZBDNQ3gas[/youtube]

it's literally called robocop because it's a song from robocop on gameboy

the animation you're thinking of also stole it

I know again, as I said and listed literally in the name there. Its a REMIX of the original gameboy version.
If you read the link I posted of the collated info you'll see the remake was by some animator/youtuber. It was used in a Dilbert cartoon which now no longer exists.
The remake is what we play and have in the code, not the original.

EDIT:
Looking into it was for a short called Dilbert 3, which was a remixed version of the robocop theme by someone other than the orginal themes creator.
You're also talking about a game from 1991 (from what I can work out), rather than a film from 2003 (I hadn't realized it was that early, given it was only popularised around 2013/2010)

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:34 pm**

i know what the dilbert short is but i don't think remixes that sounds extremely close to the original track are like. free use

i'm no copyright law expert but afaik you need permission from the original creator to release a remix of a track and even then if that's the case i think it's still messy when a third party then goes on to use that remix

the likelihood of being sued over it is slim but still

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:43 pm**

/tg/ is essentially non profit so the only companies that would care are litigation happy assholes like Nintendo

even Disney doesn't seem to care or CM would be dead already

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:47 pm**

no, yeah, you're not wrong, but if the point being made is to be free of copywritten content regardless if being lawyer'd is a relevant fear then i'm not so sure about robocop either

the room would definitely have to go

Posted: **Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:06 pm**

i like the room theme

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:33 pm**

Super Aggro Crag wrote:i like the room theme

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:05 am**

peoplearestrange wrote:
eldomtom2 wrote:I doubt we got permission for Robocop or Tintin On The Moon either though...
All these three are not the original songs and are derivatives or remixes of the original therefore have their own copyright.
Title 1 (flip-flap) is probably the most iffy, given it as for use must ask permission. And I have no idea if that was ever obtained.

https://soundcloud.com/x-ceed go ask him for permission if you want
better yet, this seems to be the contact form on his website: http://www.wojciechpanufnik.com/contact.html

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:29 pm**

People doesn't want to remove The Room Theme because of copyright but because they unironically dislike the movie. As Denton said /tg/ is non-profit so while theoretically an "infringement of copyright", realistically, nothing will happen in a thousand years.
You can say it doesn't fit the game or that you don't like it, just don't put up excuses to remove it.

Also, don't remove it. You can add endless space and other good songs like space asshole, why the need to remove a song? You're tearing me apart guys.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:35 pm**

CPTANT wrote:The fact that it is copyright infringement is enough reason to remove it.

Nah that’s bullshit, Xenos were supposed to be removed over 5 years ago over copyright too and that never happened. Oh I got the results of my test back, I definitely have breast cancer.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:58 pm**

Agux909 wrote:People doesn't want to remove The Room Theme because of copyright but because they unironically dislike the movie. As Denton said /tg/ is non-profit so while theoretically an "infringement of copyright", realistically, nothing will happen in a thousand years.
You can say it doesn't fit the game or that you don't like it, just don't put up excuses to remove it.

Also, don't remove it. You can add endless space and other good songs like space asshole, why the need to remove a song? You're tearing me apart guys.

I enjoyed the movie, Ive seen it in cinema's three times, one of which had Tommy Wiseau do a live Q&A. Its hilariously bad and Im always trying to get people to watch it with me.

HOWEVER. That is that movie, not this game. It doesn't fit the mood, its not even ironically bad and its definitely not good either. Its just an ill fitting song that some coder put in when they saw the film for the first time years later than everyone else because "LOL GUYS LOOK IM RELEVANT I SAW THAT BAD MOVIE TOO I CAN HANG!"

Remove it from the severs.

Posted: **Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:48 am**

Room title theme is gone, old title0 has been added in its place.

Posted: **Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:03 am**

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