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that's it

if you want a line drawn clearly, there you go - if you use the n word in a context that isn't obviously good faith/clinical (eg. discussing a slur ban in a thread like this) you are banned. ban it from IC, ban it from OOC, ban it from discord and the forums. idc about the exact punishment since I'm just putting this up for discussion but you could make it zero tolerance or a one time temp ban followed by a permaban, if you like

I agree that these discussions do not start with enough nuance so let's narrow shit down to something where progress can actually be made instead of habing two sides that are already hyper entrenched in their views take potshots and get sidetracked on stupid bullshit

We have word filters in place so you just straight up can't say things.

Are you saying we shouldn't filter it but instead leave it as bait so that if someone says the no no word we get to ban them and remove their filthy filthy bad ways from our now vastly improved community?

To make everyone's life easier let's just say that ligger is allowed under this proposed change

Nabski wrote:We have word filters in place so you just straight up can't say things.

Are you saying we shouldn't filter it but instead leave it as bait so that if someone says the no no word we get to ban them and remove their filthy filthy bad ways from our now vastly improved community?

discord doesn't have a filter

idc if you filter it or make it bannable, frankly - I think it goes without saying that if the filter is changed to remove the n word that people who try to get around the filter to say it should eat a ban

How do we stop such a system from being abused by selective or over reaching on enforcement by admins to remove players they disagree with?

or we could ban nothing and everyone but a clique of loud retards will be ok with that

JusticeGoat wrote:How do we stop such a system from being abused by selective or over reaching on enforcement by admins to remove players they disagree with?

The filter is already in place. That argument should have been made when the system was installed.

We already ban people. Adding one more offense doesn't change that bans can be abused. If said player is breaking the proposed rule, it isn't abuse. It's removal of rule breakers.

JusticeGoat wrote:How do we stop such a system from being abused by selective or over reaching on enforcement by admins to remove players they disagree with?

The same way it happens now, admins shout at each other in adminbus for bad bans for about a week straight, systems been working okay so far

Apply filter to ooc as well, bans could be pushed on people who purposely try to get around the filter with spacing text out etc etc

Flatulent wrote:or we could ban nothing and everyone but a clique of loud retards will be ok with that

Why do you need to say this one word?

Flatulent wrote:or we could ban nothing and everyone but a clique of loud retards will be ok with that

Or we could ban it, and everyone except a clique of loud retards would be okay with that.

Safe spaces are dumb and communities that build them are trash.

Pretty sure the people who want it gone want it gone not because they're offended, but because its just a bad look for the community

HommandoSA wrote:Safe spaces are dumb and communities that build them are trash.

Then lets ban the word and not make this a safe place to say the N word.

peoplearestrange wrote:

HommandoSA wrote:Safe spaces are dumb and communities that build them are trash.

Then lets ban the word and not make this a safe place to say the N word.

Which word is next on your ban list?

HommandoSA wrote:Safe spaces are dumb and communities that build them are trash.

I hate the argument that not allowing slurs == being a safe space. We aren't going to become a safe space, banning slurs is at the very bottom of the ladder.

HommandoSA wrote:

peoplearestrange wrote:

HommandoSA wrote:Safe spaces are dumb and communities that build them are trash.

Then lets ban the word and not make this a safe place to say the N word.

Which word is next on your ban list?

This isn't my thread. Nor is this thread about that. Stop avoiding the policy being discussed here or don't comment.

peoplearestrange wrote:

HommandoSA wrote:

peoplearestrange wrote:

HommandoSA wrote:Safe spaces are dumb and communities that build them are trash.

Then lets ban the word and not make this a safe place to say the N word.

Which word is next on your ban list?

This isn't my thread. Nor is this thread about that. Stop avoiding the policy being discussed here or don't comment.

The point of the comment was that the language policing isn't gonna stop here.

HommandoSA wrote:

peoplearestrange wrote:

HommandoSA wrote:

peoplearestrange wrote:

HommandoSA wrote:Safe spaces are dumb and communities that build them are trash.

Then lets ban the word and not make this a safe place to say the N word.

Which word is next on your ban list?

This isn't my thread. Nor is this thread about that. Stop avoiding the policy being discussed here or don't comment.

The point of the comment was that the language policing isn't gonna stop here.

Slippery slope is a shit argument. 'If we ban metacomms, what's next? We ban all information sharing about the game? We ban talking to other community members?'

lol no keep crying in your epic gamer clique

FloranOtten wrote:

Flatulent wrote:or we could ban nothing and everyone but a clique of loud retards will be ok with that

Or we could ban it, and everyone except a clique of loud retards would be okay with that.

why don't we put it to a vote and find out which one of those is true

why should i have to write around saying the nigger word on discord and if i dont i get banned

peoplearestrange wrote:

HommandoSA wrote:

peoplearestrange wrote:

HommandoSA wrote:Safe spaces are dumb and communities that build them are trash.

Then lets ban the word and not make this a safe place to say the N word.

Which word is next on your ban list?

This isn't my thread. Nor is this thread about that. Stop avoiding the policy being discussed here or don't comment.

Furry.

They word they will want to stop seeing thrown around next is Furry.

The discrimination will end when you stop making your kinks your profile picture.

wesoda25 wrote:Pretty sure the people who want it gone want it gone not because they're offended, but because its just a bad look for the community

I've seen players get offended at the word enough to ahelp, only to tell them it's allowed and that they could handle it IC. From my experience it was accepted fact you're going to get some racism on the server even if you don't personally like it. If I had to guess I'd say most players are ambivalent; if it was a deal breaker they wouldn't be here.

I'll give this thread the benefit of the doubt as it's already sliding into oblivion, some real ass questions for OP:

• Why just one word? Why not a list of slurs?
• When you say 'in a context that isn't obviously good faith/clinical' do you exclusively mean in context of discussing the policy or why it's banned, or is there a broader idea of good faith uses of slurs such as roleplaying racist characters?
• Would there be any efforts to see if the community wants to move in this direction or would you propose headmins make the decision for the good of the server?

if we do ban this word, I can see us having organized raids like with goonstation dedicated to bypassing the word filter and making our more vulnerable admins shit and piss themselves ("Nick Ger says, "niqqer niqqer niqqer niqqer niqqer niqqer niqqer niqqer" x100")
if we don't ban this word and leave things as is, what is the worst that will reasonably happen?
or to phrase it a different way, what is the sudden urgency to ban this word?

PKPenguin321 wrote:if we do ban this word, I can see us having organized raids like with goonstation dedicated to bypassing the word filter and making our more vulnerable admins shit and piss themselves ("Nick Ger says, "niqqer niqqer niqqer niqqer niqqer niqqer niqqer niqqer" x100")
if we don't ban this word and leave things as is, what is the worst that will reasonably happen?
or to phrase it a different way, what is the sudden urgency to ban this word?

People already did that when gender neutral pronouns were added, of all the reasons we could refuse to change policy I would hope "salty griefers might shit up the server for a bit" isn't one of them.

Nabski wrote: Furry.

They word they will want to stop seeing thrown around next is Furry.

The discrimination will end when you stop making your kinks your profile picture.

Furry is a choice, being black isn't.

Fikou wrote:why should i have to write around saying the nigger word on discord and if i dont i get banned

If you can't write around using a racist slur then you really need to sit down and consider how you use language and why you feel you need that word in your common vocab.
Or you're just not imaginative enough to use other swear words you shitty pus-seeping amoeba piss sponge. Or do you just need shock factor to be your only bastion of insult?


The other thing is we already ban people for using this as a direct insult, i.e. if you found out someone was black and you called them the N word your going to get banned. So why isn't it acceptable there, but saying it out loud is?

peoplearestrange wrote:

Nabski wrote: Furry.

They word they will want to stop seeing thrown around next is Furry.

The discrimination will end when you stop making your kinks your profile picture.

Furry is a choice, being black isn't.

Oh right the Furry has made the CHOICE to force us to know they dress up like an animal and shit on the floor.

It's a choice if you have enough money like Jackson and Ariana Grande did.

Are you having a stroke? Are you ok?

No, I'm not okay. People are saying things in this thread that I try to read and their concepts are fwoosh levels of thesaursing around the topic and moral proselytizing.

JusticeGoat wrote:How do we stop such a system from being abused by selective or over reaching on enforcement by admins to remove players they disagree with?

don't worry I'll just take the filter out again

Qbopper wrote:To make everyone's life easier let's just say that ligger is allowed under this proposed change

Nabski wrote:We have word filters in place so you just straight up can't say things.

Are you saying we shouldn't filter it but instead leave it as bait so that if someone says the no no word we get to ban them and remove their filthy filthy bad ways from our now vastly improved community?

discord doesn't have a filter

idc if you filter it or make it bannable, frankly - I think it goes without saying that if the filter is changed to remove the n word that people who try to get around the filter to say it should eat a ban

isn't saying ligger basically the same

remove all skin tones except caucasian, now whoever says nigger can be banned for ooc in ic because niggers aren't real ic...

oranges wrote:

JusticeGoat wrote:How do we stop such a system from being abused by selective or over reaching on enforcement by admins to remove players they disagree with?

don't worry I'll just take the filter out again

bruh mso will shit in your shoes if you do that kek

saying the n word is cringe but the people who usually say it casually find a reason to get banned sooner or later

Yes. Honestly, I'd be all for banning a healthy chunk of all the slurs that could regularly be taken as charged. The N-word, tranny, and all the likes. I do understand however that taking this gradually, if it happens at all, is for the best. After all, some people seem to act they can not function without getting their gamer words in. Both in this thread and many before it. Also the people that argue we should rename to goon already because we may or may not ban their needless racial slurs would have their toes stepped on, which is really a delight.

Qustinnus wrote:

oranges wrote:

JusticeGoat wrote:How do we stop such a system from being abused by selective or over reaching on enforcement by admins to remove players they disagree with?

don't worry I'll just take the filter out again

bruh mso will shit in your shoes if you do that kek

he only cares about slap crafters

bobbahbrown wrote:isn't saying ligger basically the same

lol no?

Gigapuddi420 wrote:People already did that when gender neutral pronouns were added, of all the reasons we could refuse to change policy I would hope "salty griefers might shit up the server for a bit" isn't one of them.

address this portion please:

if we don't ban this word and leave things as is, what is the worst that will reasonably happen?
or to phrase it a different way, what is the sudden urgency to ban this word?

Not the person you're asking a reply from, but that's an odd thing to ask. It feels more like you're seeing the time we didn't ban the word as a sunken cost. Why not ban it now? It's not like we can ban it over time, either. Why didn't we ban it before? What is the need that is being satisfied by allowing the word? Do we stand to gain whatsoever from allowing the word? Frankly I do not understand the pushback on banning a word with the intense history of hatred and violence this one has, that practically only can be used negatively.

Also, the argument that "why ban it now?" is always applicable, there is never a good or bad time. What, are we supposed to wait until a black person gets turned off by the community because the community uses the n-word so constantly? It's not like there's a tell for that, nobody is gonna tell a community that it sucks shitbricks because of their language, because if they observe such is the case, they won't even begin to be part of a community anyway, and wouldn't care to tell the community it sucks. No black person will ever want to engage with this community, the few that do are a rarity if they even exist at this point.

you're probably not even black so shut up virtue signaling amerifat.

Not american, not black, doesn't answer anything. Shut code monkey.

Unit2E wrote:Not american, not black, doesn't answer anything. Shut code monkey.

I'm not gonna bother reading 6 paragraphs from a literal who with 6 forum posts. We let anyone admin these days. You're literaly just virtue signaling and acting like a little bitch because someone said a word you don't like and have to make sure that everyone knows how much of a good person you are by trying to get every word you think is evil banned

"Holy shit, this dude is acting in good faith trying to better the community, we can't have that, let's attack them instead of their argument because I can't be fucked to read, but I can be fucked to post my replies that do not contribute anything to the discussion besides "what's your stake in this you're not even black, why improve anything when it doesn't benefit you???""

I thought you were a good monkey
Anyway, back on topic.

virtue signaling is not good faith.

Are we not allowed to improve (in my mind) on community culture because it's somehow "virtue signalling"? Yes, I think the n-word is bad, and there's no reason to use it. Is this a hot take in the current year of our lord 2020?
I'm arguing my position because I do, genuinely, think it would improve the community. In my mind, that's good faith, yes.

well you're wrong it's not going to change anything and will just lead to you all trying to ban other words too

PKPenguin321 wrote:if we do ban this word, I can see us having organized raids like with goonstation dedicated to bypassing the word filter and making our more vulnerable admins shit and piss themselves

then permaban those people, raids are already a bannable offense, how is this a serious objection

I don't want to spam the thread with my replies, so this'll be it for me for a little bit.

Yes, I do think that more words than just the N-word should be banned, I said so before. No, I don't think we'll s-s-slippery to banning all slurs, because why would we? The discussion is worth having, but I don't think that's right for this server.

No way of telling who is "right" really, racism is dumb, being against it isn't virtue signalling, and the word is somewhat inherently racist. That is, that's true in my mind, you may not agree.

Lastly, I do not see the pure benefit of allowing the word besides "it's how it's always been" and "we might slippery into more word bans, or we might get raids, somehow". I think it has a serious negative impact on how the community is observed from the outside, which is a somewhat hypothetical viewpoint, besides the fact that in most other communities you'd get side-eye for being so insistent on being able to say the n-word.

That's all from me for a bit.

lol if you are so worried about the community's image maybe your ass should move to goon or yog.