/tg/Station 13

They arn't humans or cyborgs they are machines made to improve the station. They shouldn't leave it

Just make them valid.

Their laws already mean they shouldn't get on the shuttle. They can and do get killed by many people when they go on the shuttle because their law violating shitters.

They shouldn't be on the shuttle. It's natural most players would gravitate towards it so they just need reminding.

Uh

Why does it matter and why do people care, again?

Balut wrote:Uh

Why does it matter and why do people care, again?

Because the shuttle is griff central and the only reason for a drone to be there is to participate in the same. Also, it shows that the drone player doesn't understand their laws and thus makes them suspect for breaking them in other ways down the line.

All for this. 24/7. Props to all the people who their only argument is "why do people even care". Should be an addendum on their laws that specifically states they do not get on the escape shuttle, or something along those lines.

was silly, nvm. don't care really lol

Drones are already valid to beat up and steal their tools, you know, right?

I don't see why it's a big enough deal to waste time on a policy discussion, seeing as several admins already ban for it.

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:Drones are already valid to beat up and steal their tools, you know, right?

Incorrect

...you guys implemented drones without making them valid...???
That's dumb. I hope someday someone goes back and reads over the mommi thread and tries that instead.

But yeah drones shouldn't leave on the shuttle, even tho it's not a big deal

Why the fuck does everything you don't like have to be valid? Can you play the game without having to have a list of things to kill to sate your need to click sprites untill they fall over?

Have you considered taking a break to go play Serious Sam or something similar?

You're seriously misinterpretting what I said. Them being valid isn't so people can just stomp them out on sight for kicks, it's so that as opposed to getting cocky and mingling with humans, they do what they're supposed to and avoid humans and repair the station from the shadows.

The problem is a lot of players consider "valid" to mean "I get to kill this thing under any circumstances and be free of any repercussions!" which isn't true in all cases.

The very word valid has been misused and is something I want to move away from.

What if we found a code method of essentially blocking a Drone from entering a Shuttle zone? As if there was a invisible wall blocking them.

Steelpoint wrote:What if we found a code method of essentially blocking a Drone from entering a Shuttle zone? As if there was a invisible wall blocking them.

That's incredibly hacky and unnecessary.

Steelpoint wrote:What if we found a code method of essentially blocking a Drone from entering a Shuttle zone? As if there was a invisible wall blocking them.

Just make them explode on shuttle entry. That'll teach those little shits.

Is there some place where this (and potentially, other) addendums to the Drone laws are mentioned and officially recognized, like the Sillicon Policy page for AI/Cyborgs?

The wiki page on Drones is outdated and has the wrong lawset. The current lawset, as can be seen here, does not mention the station at all.

Here is my completely honest opinion. Anyone in support of this is just whiny assholes who also enjoys a good dose of valid hunting. Since either people want drones to be valid, or they whine about drones entering the escape shuttle. My god.

When the dicks was, and why, were the laws changed? Were people seriously being such autists about not understanding the original laws, that they needed to be changed? Jesus Christ.

lumipharon wrote:Were people seriously being such autists about not understanding the original laws, that they needed to be changed? Jesus Christ.

You must have missed the threads from when they were first introduced.
"BUT WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY INTERFERE?"
"WHATS A BEING?"
"THAT ONLY MEANS HUMANS RIGHT?"
"IS IAN A BEING?"
"WHAT ABOUT THAT DEAD BODY?"
"CAN I UPLOAD AI LAWS?"

No I remember, and all the shit in OOC, but seriously, they are SO FUCKING STRAIGHT FORWARD TO UNDERSTAND, like, it is actually difficult for them to be more simple.

Steelpoint wrote:What if we found a code method of essentially blocking a Drone from entering a Shuttle zone? As if there was a invisible wall blocking them.

I thought it was hardcoded already. As soon as one jumps on the shuttle my ban panel opens on its own. Or so it appears.

AdAstraPerAspera wrote:

Steelpoint wrote:What if we found a code method of essentially blocking a Drone from entering a Shuttle zone? As if there was a invisible wall blocking them.

Just make them explode on shuttle entry. That'll teach those little shits.

It'd be pretty easy and cheap on runtimes to implement a self destruct system if they leave their assigned Z-level.

Just saying...

Why do Cyborgs get on the shuttle in the first place?

Silicons, unlike drones, have nothing in their laws (usually) to prevent them from doing so. Also an asimov borg has plenty of law 1 reason to go with all the humans instead of staying on the station.

The laws make no mention of the shuttle, or station, and simply tells drones to fix things, it doesn't say what they have to fix or improve

Either change the laws or let the little buggers on the shuttle, honestly, its end of round, does it matter? As long as they don't interfere, but everyone picks them up and wears them as hats anyway

Drones are meant to be an uncomplicated way to get people back into the game in a low impact way that bypasses the normal restrictions to re-enter the game, mainly having a corpse located. They shouldn't be some big huge thing that needs a lot of design around it.

Violaceus wrote:If station is doomed, they follow law 3

And there are humans on shuttle to protect.

Last time I checked drone laws are different from Borg/AI laws. They're supposed to maintain and repair the station while interfering without interfering with other beings. Huge fire break out in the escape wing and there's several people laying on the ground engulfed in flames slowly burning to death? Sucks to be those assholes. Ignore them, put out the inferno, fix what needs to be fixed, and let God decide what happens to those poor bastards.

Drone should never be on a pod or the shuttle. The only reason that should go into space is if someone threw them out an airlock or they are fixing the hull. They should never ever willingly leave the station z-level.

It's really simple and really straightforward. Their objectives are all focused on repairing the station, keeping the station going, etc. Leaving the station for any reason is directly counter to that.

We have to remind people of this and enforce this because a lot of players still think being a Drone means being a goofy simple mob that can do whatever it wants.

Do we really need yet another silicon policy for this?

So wait, If I'm not allowed to fuck with drones for the fuck of it, why are they coded to make such nice hats?

Technically the emergency escape shuttle "connects" with the station, thus becoming a part of the station. Also the escape pods start attached to the station.

So if a Drone happens to be onboard a shuttle when it happens to disconnect from the station, well there's nothing those poor Drones can do now but maintain its new station.

Steelpoint wrote:Technically the emergency escape shuttle "connects" with the station, thus becoming a part of the station. Also the escape pods start attached to the station.

So if a Drone happens to be onboard a shuttle when it happens to disconnect from the station, well there's nothing those poor Drones can do now but maintain its new station.

No. That's stupid. They're obviously intentionally trying to leave the station and head for centcom. The shuttle is made out of different materials, colored differently, it's a vehicle, and it's only ever connected to the station for 2:00 out of the entire round. Roleplaying "Well I'm just a dumb drone I can't tell where the station begins or ends!" is the same as roleplaying a dumb AI who doesn't understand what a human is/looks like so they murder everyone.

Don't try to rationalize this behavior. They shouldn't go on the shuttles. End of story.

This doesn't make sense as a policy discussion because drones are never supposed to be on the shuttle anyway. OP is suggesting something that's already true. I just yelled at someone else last round for this.

Ikarrus wrote:Do we really need yet another silicon policy for this?

Apparently we do because of chelplords like:

steelpoint wrote: Technically the emergency escape shuttle "connects" with the station, thus becoming a part of the station. Also the escape pods start attached to the station.

So if a Drone happens to be onboard a shuttle when it happens to disconnect from the station, well there's nothing those poor Drones can do now but maintain its new station.

And

wizardjenkins66 wrote: Just make them valid

I can't even begin to describe how stupid these two statements are.

I made that statement because I find it inane we need to go to such lengths to stop and punish people from going on the evac shuttle.

Does this really ruin people's rounds? This is not a case of a Cyborg bolting people down its just a case of a small drone going on a shuttle.

Why make a big issue out of something that has no impact on the round, especially when the round will be ending two minutes later.

Can someone please explain, for the likes of me who think this is a total non-issue, what exactly is wrong with a drone being on the shuttle?
Yes, it's against their laws and that's poor roleplay, but to me this situation stands roughly equivalent to someone getting buttmad over a borg not responding to an order to rub their feet.

I'm genuinely curious, because although I can't see what's wrong with it, apparently it's a really big issue, and I want to know why.

They crawl all over people, and inevitably someone (because they're valid) takes a swing at one with a fire-extinguisher, resulting in that person getting bashed in the face.
Moments later everyone is beating the shit out of eachother trying to get the drone/get revenge.

The shuttle is already a cramped clusterfuck hellride to Centcom. Drones don't help that one bit and they shouldn't be abandoning their station in the first place.
Drones are supposed to have lots of restrictions imposed on them because they're a crappy simple-mob second chance at life on the station.
Drones have little to no freedom because it's the spirit of their design.

I have never seen Drones ever get in people's ways (they move through people) nor a Drone causing a fight, and to be frank people will cause a mess on the shuttle with or without Drones.

This seems like a step in banning/administrating people for doing something that is genuinely harmless and affects no one.

Yeah shuttle grief has been happening long before drones were added.

It used to net you a 15 minute ban but I guess things are too chaotic on it now.
Maybe its time we realised that cramming 80 people onto a shuttle designed for 40 is bad and that we should make a bigger escape shuttle?

Theres a obvious exception for the bardrone right?

How the fuck did you find this the last post was 4 years ago

I've played since 2017 and I've never seen this enforced, so I wouldn't worry about it being relevant today
Also drones are disabled (rip) because of admin lazyness and logging limitations, so, again, irrelevant

teepeepee wrote:I've played since 2017 and I've never seen this enforced, so I wouldn't worry about it being relevant today
Also drones are disabled (rip) because of admin lazyness and logging limitations, so, again, irrelevant

It was enforced.
Drones don't exist because players simply couldn't be trusted with nice things and because we made them tiny respawning humans instead of porting MoMMIs.

cedarbridge wrote:

teepeepee wrote:I've played since 2017 and I've never seen this enforced, so I wouldn't worry about it being relevant today
Also drones are disabled (rip) because of admin lazyness and logging limitations, so, again, irrelevant

It was enforced.

not while I've played, I've been in the shuttle many rounds without problem, not even getting killed for being valid

cedarbridge wrote:Drones don't exist because players simply couldn't be trusted with nice things and because we made them tiny respawning humans instead of porting MoMMIs.

they don't exist because you don't wanna do the volunteer work you (admins) signed up for and ban offenders from drone (permanently)

adamkad1 wrote:Theres a obvious exception for the bardrone right?

locking for necro