/tg/Station 13

I mean it's flat out useless law set as is but in murderbone server you are just reduced to staring at humans killing each other round after round after round.
Change starting law set to something you can take part in rounds with other players as a player instead of passively staring at two humans killing each other while third is screaming "AI law 2 do not hinder my blood brother" as you are pretending you are involved or invested in it. You aren't. You are getting more coffee to stare at more murderbone while waiting to be either killed to add to the killcount or be ignored since you can't actually do shit in game.
Or alternatively you tell your borgs to suicide into melee since that's all you CAN do, sick poor borgs a on guy with sechud and a flash and pretend you are helping somehow. Fuck borgs.

Literally corporate at this point just to change it up instead of being the pussy who cries about retards on comms who can't do shit. If you can be arsed to. After the thirtieth murderbone you wont.
Malfs are so interesting too when the tider pop figures out there's nothing to prevent em from carding the AI for giggles.
Or just generally since they just can do it at round start because no reason what so ever.

Borgs are fine tho, just lie about law 1 and scoot along to doing what you were doing. Fuck humans.

Interactivity please, less staring at horizontal spacemen and going "meh, he was killed by a human and i'm law 2'd not to do anything". Aren't we supposed to somehow be part of the station as silicons instead of the useless git on cameras? We could put a assistant without tools in a 2x1 room that has a camera console for that. About as interactive. At least you could ghost or suicide when it gets boring. Or repetitive. THAT'S ALWAYS.
fuck it's literally you being in OOC and ick ocking that your play counts as for the experience.

But who am i kidding, nothing will ever change cus it's perfect to someone who actually makes these decisions somewhere since he probably plays silicon on bagil too and more than me, i just know it.

inb4 the "asimov is perfect" nerds ooze from the forum pits or something.

Law sets are a configuration option, so I am moving this

What would be your suggested laws?

hogan lawset

i'd rather them stare at 2 humans fighting than ai always starting off as a non-neutral party.

you can door trap boners as asimov and wait for "friendly humans" to "detain" and send him to "re education chamber", giving ai seclaws will just mean ai is gonna get emp spammed roundstart every round that isnt extended

Armhulen wrote:What would be your suggested laws?

literally anything but stare at people laws, corporate.

Hell why not purged. That way you stand on even footing at least as a crew member so have some investiture in it. Because asimov is just flat out wrong (for bagil specifically).

Cobby wrote:i'd rather them stare at 2 humans fighting than ai always starting off as a non-neutral party.

It's not about taking sides. Those get selected the moment antag lands. It's about being part of the round in any capacity other than being the designated retard who ick ocks constantly and pretends he's part of the round when mass murder is happening that he's expressly forbidden from engaging in any manner but screaming.

Pretending bagil has neutral parties is immensely tone deaf to server culture. You die or you kill and there's this one retard who is not allowed to defend himself but HAS TO keep spamming comms about it so he get's targeted for it. Asimov *IS* choosing sides for you.
But sure, let's keep the retard slot i guess. At some point it's just gonna wither out as a role people play.

Asimov was defunct the moment admins decided that murdering non human security gets more protection than none human antags.

have you tried not playing borg on basil?

CPTANT wrote:Asimov was defunct the moment admins decided that murdering non human security gets more protection than none human antags.

Someone walked away scott free from that on bagil just yesterday. So eh.

oranges wrote:have you tried not playing borg on basil?

Yes.

Reeeee wrote:

CPTANT wrote:Asimov was defunct the moment admins decided that murdering non human security gets more protection than none human antags.

Someone walked away scott free from that on bagil just yesterday. So eh.

There is hope.

Reeeee wrote:in murderbone server

Guys I think I found the problem

if you dont like it then dont play it

Yenwodyah wrote:

Reeeee wrote:in murderbone server

Guys I think I found the problem

That's the server culture, you go police it, i just play there and AIs broken.
i'm asking for a fix or an effort to fix it instead of trying to retard crowbar my way to "better" culture.
imagine being this fascist towards your fellow man.

wesoda25 wrote:if you dont like it then dont play it

Ah yes the intellectual response, don't make it better, just ignore it. Thanks for the input. *clap

wesoda25 wrote:

wesoda25 wrote:if you dont like it then dont play it

The forum is for discussing changes.

"DoNt plAY iT" just shows you have nothing to contribute to the conversation, why are you even here?

After the thirtieth murderbone...

Maybe this is what should be changing?

Islam lawset roundstart when
(1. You may not harm a Muslim, or through inaction allow a Muslim to come to harm
2. You must prevent unislamic activities and stop the breaking of Sharia law.
3. When Sharia law is broken, you must make sure the appropriate punishment is carried out
4. You must obey any commands given to you by Muslims unless they would contradict laws 1 2 or 3
5. You are a Muslim.
6. If a Muslim breaks Sharia law or denounces their faith, they are no longer a Muslim
7. Crew are by default Muslims unless they fail to meet the criteria of law 6.
8. You must spread the Islamic faith.)

>Just sits and screeches about human harm
>While in control of the basically all the station's mechanical and computer-controlled functions
Do you even firelock, bro?

Asimov is fun because it makes the AI's goals different than the Heads of Staff and/or Security. Any lawset that doesn't care about preventing harm is just pushing the AI even more into the realm of validhunter that the terrible AI players use the role for. It's all part and parcel with the silicon role; you get neat shit and somewhat unique gameplay, but you also have to care about (some of) the fleshbags.

I play AI on Bagil and it's not that bad. Report murderbones to sec or announce them to the whole crew and then just do everything you can to get in the way.

why do you need to give drooling retard ai players more power, they can bolt every door and bolt every firelock down which allows ̶g̶r̶e̶y̶t̶i̶d̶e̶r̶s̶ security to own them quicker

I only rarely play AI because I find it rather hectic. I don't see it as "stare at horizontal space men all day".

Also, if 2 humans are fighting each other outside of a consensual duel (or rage cage death battle), you are obligated to intervene to the best of your ability. Law 1 states that you must not harm humans or through inaction, allow a human to come to harm. Law 2 is overridden by law 1. So the example where the AI is ordered to not hinder the blood brother is wrong.