/tg/Station 13

Particularly security.

A round I was just in featured a protracted exchange over sec and public comms of sec draining uplinks of captured traitors, bargaining for telecrystals, handing out gamergear amongst sec, this and that and more. All facilitated and encouraged by the HoS.
This seems to me like something the admins should only allow to happen very conditionally, and something that's already flirting with outright breaking RP rules 7 and 8.
There is a time and place for things like picking up a LMG an operative just dropped and turning it against them, or brainwashing a known traitor with martial arts to fight on your side, popping a syndicate encryption key into the Warden's headset so they can monitor... But should glorified mall cops working at McCorporate research station be playing around with confiscated contraband items, buying MORE of them, and carrying them into duty? Emagging stuff for the hell of it or to gain an edge they might not even need?

Use your non-lethals like you're supposed to, break out the shotguns and lasers when those don't cut it, buy rifles and armor at cargo in lieu of lugging around syndicate stuff whenever possible, and throw the ePiC LoOt into the secure lockup where it belongs or better yet incinerate it. It's dangerous enemy technology, not requisitioned gear nor fun toys.

Only if it's tools that help them detain. Like e-bow and adrenals.

Sec does not need a revolver or a dual e-sword.

haha esword go vrrzzzz

Git that paradise/yogshit outta here.

Istoprocent1 wrote:Git that paradise/yogshit outta here.

Thanks for sharing your valuable perspective as a player who has never played a single round on Manuel.

I feel like there's an interesting bit of discussion to have here.

On one hand, killing an antag has always given you access to their items as somewhat of a reward, but that doesn't really track with MRP. Why the hell would a sec officer get something like an emag that's purpose built to break shit?

I think the general concept here should be that most antag items aren't valid for sec to use on Manuel after confiscating them. The question would then be which ones would be allowed, but I don't really have time to list them all out right now.

They should be able to use items they confiscate, yes. I think the game is more mechanically interesting that way (incentivizes keeping your gear away from sec, which then means you need a good way of hiding it/keeping away from them), and the goal of MRP is to allow for RP while still allowing for interesting mechanics.

Vekter wrote:that doesn't really track with MRP. Why the hell would a sec officer get something like an emag that's purpose built to break shit?

If you want to write rulings around raw MRP, this isn't the avenue to do it, because you can just as easily justify the use of confiscated antag items with MRP. From an MRP perspective, it's in sec's best interest to keep a confiscated emag close and secure than to risk another traitor stealing it.
Also, that aside, I would imagine that it's already against the rules to run around emagging every door you see as a non-antag, so you're presenting kind of a non-argument. "Should sec be able to use a confiscated revolver?" "No, why the hell should sec be allowed to go around shooting everyone they see to death?" when that's already not allowed

annoyinggreencatgirl wrote:

Istoprocent1 wrote:Git that paradise/yogshit outta here.

Thanks for sharing your valuable perspective as a player who has never played a single round on Manuel.

As a frequent Manuel player - Git that paradise/yogshit outta here.

You are an enforcer for a dystopian corporation that wields absolute power and are under threat of numerous criminal and paranormal threats. Who wouldn't want a lightsaber to defend themselves? If anything the most LRP action you can do is go "well this item here could protect my life from the numerous organizations that want to murder and or rob me, better go put it in a locker".

The only real problem are antags who just toss their uplink to security.

Non antags having antag gear has roleplay potential this is dum

I don't play Manuel so take my opinion with a grain of salt but I think this can lead to some interesting conflict. People who the weapons were used on can sue security through the lawyers or maybe the captain can fire an officer for taking contraband for himself. It seems like a dumb and minor thing to write a whole policy about when the real issue is security doing stuff that's already against the rules with the gear. If an officer gets too trigger happy with their gamer gear and kills someone then treat it the same way as if they had gotten trigger happy with a laser gun.

I think policy is fine as is. traitors giving sec goodies is just boring all in all.

cybersaber101 wrote:traitors giving sec goodies is just boring all in all.

There is your problem - antags who do not want to play the game and willingly handing over their gear. Rather than try to take away other peoples' fun, maybe consider making this kind of behaviour illegal.

why is antag giving sec shit? sounds like fail rp, sec should only use dangerous illegal gear if they contact centcomm and they reply yes and the HoS/cap also stamps the report

Sec should turn in all confiscated contraband to the warden.

so that he can use it to shoot greyshirts breaking in.