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Posted: **Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:53 pm**

Bottom post of the previous page:

After discussion with the host, MSO has allowed for "nigger" to be added to the in-game word filter. An examination of its use in the community has found that most uses of it are OOC, and the signal-to-noise level of usage on both the OOC metric and the racist metric is poor enough to not warrant caring about the edge cases. If added, messages containing it will be rejected just like with other filtered words.

Since the creation of Rule 11 there have been many conversations about how adding slurs to the filter was not possible because it did not fit with the host's vision of avoiding the creation of a banned word list.

As the community has not been able to discuss this possibility in earnest we would prefer having a period of open discussion before deciding to act on it.

Please share your thoughts about this opportunity.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:35 am**

Kryson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:27 am Wait, wasn't this you explicitly ran on NOT doing?

>Expecting headmins to keep campaign promises

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:14 am**

Kryson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:27 am Wait, wasn't this you explicitly ran on NOT doing?

Yeah, we are all disappointed in them in some way or some form.

The way you gotta deal with it is to keep it bottled inside until the end of your life(My grandfather did this and it encouraged his alcoholism, please don't bottle your feelings if you want to release them do it with a friend who you trust.)

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:02 am**

looking at "Don't straight up ban the word" makes ya look in a different light though.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:17 am**

damn it looks like I was always correct about rave after all

who could have possibly seen that one coming
oh right, me

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:28 am**

Flatulent wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:17 am damn it looks like I was always correct about rave after all

who could have possibly seen that one coming
oh right, me

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:16 am**

Stickymayhem wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:41 pm
Istoprocent1 wrote:Why not have a corrective filter for words and/or phrases that are deemed to be not suitable rather than the message just not going through?

Somebody says: "X is such a [insert gamerword]" and the filter would change the message to "X is such a [insert randomized palatable replacement word]".
changing the n-word into "puppies" would just turn puppies into a dogwhistle instantly

Exactly this happened on something awful way back in the day, it was temporarily filtered to "grandma" and what happened is people started saying grandma instead even after the filter was turned off

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:02 am**

Screemonster wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:16 am
Stickymayhem wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 6:41 pm
Istoprocent1 wrote:Why not have a corrective filter for words and/or phrases that are deemed to be not suitable rather than the message just not going through?

Somebody says: "X is such a [insert gamerword]" and the filter would change the message to "X is such a [insert randomized palatable replacement word]".
changing the n-word into "puppies" would just turn puppies into a dogwhistle instantly
Exactly this happened on something awful way back in the day, it was temporarily filtered to "grandma" and what happened is people started saying grandma instead even after the filter was turned off

If the word is randomized this problem does not occur.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:07 pm**

Kryson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:27 am Wait, wasn't this you explicitly ran on NOT doing?

Campaign promises only exist to get people elected

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:15 pm**

this change tr(n)iggers me

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:34 pm**

literally 1984

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:39 pm**

listen guys if you really want to say the nigger word in IC just vote for whoever campaigns on letting you say it next election lol

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:38 pm**

I fail to see the point of this thread because this was already decided by these headmins years ago and nothing is going to revert this decision unless players magically get two headmins instead of just one, as admin and previous headmins (reflected in their chosen headmins again and again) vote for status quo/more crackdown on this particular issue every time

There will be zero difference if this thread gets overwhelmed with shitposts or actual feedback as there is only one conclusion to this story: headmins will not back down over this. I can only wonder why they decided to announce this change here instead of auditorium with closed comments.

I have absolutely zero stake in this, it’s msos server, not mine, but I don’t understand why every fart has to be discussed like we’re still pretending players have any amount of say in this. We know what people voted for. They voted for a candidate who said that this would never be implemented. Now that he is finally revealed as a fucking liar, what is the point of discussing this? Why are any of you here? What do you hope to accomplish? It’s obvious why I am here, because I am a doomsday prophet whose prophecy is coming true. But why do you still have these threads where same people use the same points against the same policy of crackdown on hurty words, over and over again?

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:44 pm**

Also it’s even funnier when you consider that if Rave was actually honest about his intentions he could have lost the elections to Kieth as the gap was extremely small.

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:19 pm**

I'm really disappointed there's people unironically defending racism here. Nice going dentheads

Posted: **Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:45 pm**

Can anyone against this share how not having this filter benefits the server? How is the server as a whole better off without it.

Posted: **Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:51 am**

>Candidate days they don't intended to mass purge anyone they consider to be a bigot and/or ban just for usage of anything considered to be a slur
>Wins election
>Adds a word that is considered to always be OOC and therefore violating rule 11 to the IC filter so that players don't get put into a situation where they do something always considered a rulebreak

NINETEEN
EIGHTY
FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUR

Posted: **Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:48 am**

Here's what I don't understand, what is the logic behind this and not just adding in every no no word.

Why is calling someone a faggot gonna get you in trouble but saying "what are you faggots playing" not? From my understanding it is the context that matters then why shouldn't nigger be treated the same? What makes it so special that it renders all context moot?

Posted: **Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:06 am**

NoxVS wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:45 pm Can anyone against this share how not having this filter benefits the server? How is the server as a whole better off without it.

one could make the argument that allowing someone to demonstrate how uncreative and smelly they are is a benefit rather than them being unable to wear their stinkiness on their sleeve and slip under the radar until they make a BIG STINKY

Posted: **Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:44 am**

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:06 am
NoxVS wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:45 pm Can anyone against this share how not having this filter benefits the server? How is the server as a whole better off without it.
one could make the argument that allowing someone to demonstrate how uncreative and smelly they are is a benefit rather than them being unable to wear their stinkiness on their sleeve and slip under the radar until they make a BIG STINKY

The commonly stated counterargument to this is that we're not in the business of trying to "catch people" via text and this is rather just stopping something that's never going to be IC/not rule 11

but MY take on this being a good thing is that perhaps by enforcing through this filter the fact that you simply can't say it IC people will understand better that that sort of attitude and method of treating other people isn't acceptable here, thus dissuading them from making a BIG STINKY in the future.
plus it helps for when people just aren't watching/there's nobody on to watch. Arguing to keep the ability to say the n word icly in to catch the hypothetical stealth nazi who will otherwise be formed seems a little reaching.

Posted: **Tue Oct 12, 2021 7:15 am**

on the 1 hand: haha you believed them? dumbasses

on the other: its about time.

Posted: **Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:55 am**

Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:44 am
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:06 am
NoxVS wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:45 pm Can anyone against this share how not having this filter benefits the server? How is the server as a whole better off without it.
one could make the argument that allowing someone to demonstrate how uncreative and smelly they are is a benefit rather than them being unable to wear their stinkiness on their sleeve and slip under the radar until they make a BIG STINKY
The commonly stated counterargument to this is that we're not in the business of trying to "catch people" via text and this is rather just stopping something that's never going to be IC/not rule 11

but MY take on this being a good thing is that perhaps by enforcing through this filter the fact that you simply can't say it IC people will understand better that that sort of attitude and method of treating other people isn't acceptable here, thus dissuading them from making a BIG STINKY in the future.
plus it helps for when people just aren't watching/there's nobody on to watch. Arguing to keep the ability to say the n word icly in to catch the hypothetical stealth nazi who will otherwise be formed seems a little reaching.

Peoplle will never be dissuaded from saying no no words by a filter. You can make the argument that its only a word filter because "in da future no one says nigger" but johnny european rolls captain he's going to make assistants pick cotton and whip them with the chain of command and he's gonna say "lmao its not racist i didnt call them a nigger i called them jiggaboos"

Posted: **Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:58 am**

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:55 am
Omega_DarkPotato wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:44 am
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:06 am
NoxVS wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:45 pm Can anyone against this share how not having this filter benefits the server? How is the server as a whole better off without it.
one could make the argument that allowing someone to demonstrate how uncreative and smelly they are is a benefit rather than them being unable to wear their stinkiness on their sleeve and slip under the radar until they make a BIG STINKY
The commonly stated counterargument to this is that we're not in the business of trying to "catch people" via text and this is rather just stopping something that's never going to be IC/not rule 11

but MY take on this being a good thing is that perhaps by enforcing through this filter the fact that you simply can't say it IC people will understand better that that sort of attitude and method of treating other people isn't acceptable here, thus dissuading them from making a BIG STINKY in the future.
plus it helps for when people just aren't watching/there's nobody on to watch. Arguing to keep the ability to say the n word icly in to catch the hypothetical stealth nazi who will otherwise be formed seems a little reaching.
Peoplle will never be dissuaded from saying no no words by a filter. You can make the argument that its only a word filter because "in da future no one says nigger" but johnny european rolls captain he's going to make assistants pick cotton and whip them with the chain of command and he's gonna say "lmao its not racist i didnt call them a nigger i called them jiggaboos"

yeah but it really removes the "is this racist" part of the equation for all parties, nobody likes being accused of racism and evading past a filter for that kind of gimmick makes it pretty black and white

Posted: **Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:45 am**

Wow seeing things in black and white now are we armhulenn?

Guess we know who the real racists are now

Posted: **Tue Oct 12, 2021 8:52 pm**

have u considered that it's funny to say

Posted: **Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:17 pm**

remanseptim wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 8:52 pm have u considered that it's funny to say

yo this, I find it hella funny.

Posted: **Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:20 pm**

Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:45 am Wow seeing things in black and white now are we armhulenn?

Guess we know who the real racists are now

In the modern political landscape, treating people of all races equally is "being colourblind", and is therefore more racist than being racist. If you were a true anti-racist, you would treat some races better than others.

Source: My professors

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