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Modsuit Ai policy
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:50 pm
by Drag
Blessed be the modsuit. Anyways modsuit ais are a little fickle in my eyes. Specifically Asimov lawed modsuit ais.
What I want to discuss:
What should modsuit ais do if their user is rev flashed or cult converted, both in the case with Asimov and without.
What does the asimov modsuit ai do if their user is dead and ordered by a human to stop taking the corpse away for revival?
Re: Modsuit Ai policy
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:01 am
by Mothblocks
There's nothing that makes the MODsuit owner special, the AI is bound to its laws.
What should modsuit ais do if their user is rev flashed or cult converted, both in the case with Asimov and without.
What would it do if it saw them get flashed or cult converted otherwise? Asimov doesn't require them to say anything. If they start harming humans, I could see an AI trying to move them away from doing so.
What does the asimov modsuit ai do if their user is dead and ordered by a human to stop taking the corpse away for revival?
What would a mediborg do? The answer is to stop, the owner isn't special.
Re: Modsuit Ai policy
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:02 am
by NecromancerAnne
This can be easily solved by one-humaning the AI in your suit. There are actually nonantag applications to that, believe it or not.
Re: Modsuit Ai policy
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 6:23 am
by carshalash
NecromancerAnne wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:02 am
This can be easily solved by one-humaning the AI in your suit. There are actually nonantag applications to that, believe it or not.
This has become a massive issue already.
Re: Modsuit Ai policy
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:53 pm
by dragomagol
This sounds like it stems from balance concerns, which is a code thing (and as far as I know is being addressed).
Re: Modsuit Ai policy
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:27 am
by carshalash
dragomagol wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:53 pm
This sounds like it stems from balance concerns, which is a code thing (and as far as I know is being addressed).
N-no? The issue is people rushing to make themselves AI modsuits with purged/one humaned AI's- which is entirely a policy issue. Another big problem with this is that with the way AI//borgs are coded, future borgs will be enslaved to the most recently made AI. Future borgs will be enslaved to the future modsuit of "Bonerfart the clown" because he absolutely NEEDED a purged AI modsuit to grief with.
Re: Modsuit Ai policy
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:55 am
by dragomagol
carshalash wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:27 am
N-no? The issue is people rushing to make themselves AI modsuits with purged/one humaned AI's- which is entirely a policy issue. Another big problem with this is that with the way AI//borgs are coded, future borgs will be enslaved to the most recently made AI. Future borgs will be enslaved to the future modsuit of "Bonerfart the clown" because he absolutely NEEDED a purged AI modsuit to grief with.
Then this sounds like it should be in a different thread on one-humaning AI for no reason (or for the reason of being in a MODsuit). The OP is about Asimov AIs being the MODsuit AI of someone converted to a team antag or having other humans telling them to not revive the person who's suit they're attached to.
Re: Modsuit Ai policy
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:43 am
by carshalash
dragomagol wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:55 am
carshalash wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:27 am
N-no? The issue is people rushing to make themselves AI modsuits with purged/one humaned AI's- which is entirely a policy issue. Another big problem with this is that with the way AI//borgs are coded, future borgs will be enslaved to the most recently made AI. Future borgs will be enslaved to the future modsuit of "Bonerfart the clown" because he absolutely NEEDED a purged AI modsuit to grief with.
Then this sounds like it should be in a different thread on one-humaning AI for no reason (or for the reason of being in a MODsuit). The OP is about Asimov AIs being the MODsuit AI of someone converted to a team antag or having other humans telling them to not revive the person who's suit they're attached to.
This thread is about modsuit AI policy, and honestly this is a far bigger issue than generic asimov problems.
Re: Modsuit Ai policy
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:11 am
by Drag
This can be dual used to talk about modsuit ai policy from all angles but I really don't want it to turn into a flame war. Keep complaints constructive please
Re: Modsuit Ai policy
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:32 pm
by dragomagol
Asimov AI should follow Asimov, regardless of whether or not it's in a suit.