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Floor pills clause clarification
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 5:08 am
by cSeal
Generally, the way I've seen the floor pills clause explained is that if you eat a pill or inject a mutator off the floor labelled "Good fun times" or the like, any consequences you face from it are entirely ic.
People's opinions on the extent of what it covers varies though, some people feeling like only meme names are covered while others think that something labelled "healing pill" or "hulk+space adapt" is safe to load up with grief chems or mutations. This kind of discrepancy can be pretty frustrating to players, and I can't find any particular ruling on the matter to act as a guide, so I figured It'd be smart to hash out a proper ruling on it.
Re: Floor pills clause clarification
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:29 am
by Shadowflame909
I think if you inject random needles or eat random stuff from the floor. You should always suffer no matter what it was named. Don't eat stuff from the floor!!
Re: Floor pills clause clarification
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:30 am
by WineAllWine
I think I have a mandela effect thing where I SWEAR there was a policy on "if you pick up a mutator called GOD POWERS and use it and it makes you mute thats your fault" but I can't find it anywhere. Please lets have a proper policy so I can fix my brain worms
Re: Floor pills clause clarification
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:56 am
by nianjiilical
my personal understanding was that if you make a floor pill/injector called like "omnizine" or "tk+hulk" and it's actually full of acid and hars, then you can be bwoinked for griefing if you're a non antag
but if you make like "super cool pill" or "donkey kong syringe" and someone takes it and they get fucked up then it's their own fault
if you're a non antag and you make bad syringes/pills intentionally disguised as good ones thats bad, if you're a non antag and make bad syringes/pills with silly names that dont actually try to delude/trick people into taking them and suffering, and they choose to take them of their own volition, thats fine
dunno if im in line with other admins though
Re: Floor pills clause clarification
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:07 am
by Armhulen
nianjiilical wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:56 am
my personal understanding was that if you make a floor pill/injector called like "omnizine" or "tk+hulk" and it's actually full of acid and hars, then you can be bwoinked for griefing if you're a non antag
but if you make like "super cool pill" or "donkey kong syringe" and someone takes it and they get fucked up then it's their own fault
if you're a non antag and you make bad syringes/pills intentionally disguised as good ones thats bad, if you're a non antag and make bad syringes/pills with silly names that dont actually try to delude/trick people into taking them and suffering, and they choose to take them of their own volition, thats fine
dunno if im in line with other admins though
i thought this was policy as well
Re: Floor pills clause clarification
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:58 am
by WineAllWine
More seriously, I think if a syringe is labelled tk+hulk or something and has a slightly annoying mutation like nervousness or swedish that should be fine too
Re: Floor pills clause clarification
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:55 pm
by Cobby
If it isnt nefariously mislabeling (aka the name has something that someone would actually want like healing/powers/etc.) its ok.
Pretty much anything else is ok. The bar is explicitly to not directly lie, you can lie by omission or avoiding the proper label though through a generic title that doesnt suggest good or bad.
Dont eat things off the floor or inject things into yourself without checking.
Side note: Dont do this frequently. Find another gimmick.
Re: Floor pills clause clarification
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 5:21 pm
by wesoda25
Agree with cobby
Re: Floor pills clause clarification
Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:49 am
by NecromancerAnne
I feel this should also be tempered with a 'so long as it affects only the person who ate the pill'.
If you're dropping death viruses outside of med and labeling them "god pill" and half the station has come down with the Ultraplague, that's just plain grief.
Re: Floor pills clause clarification
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:25 am
by Pandarsenic
My understanding has been that if you give specifics like "Healing pill" or "meth" or "Space Adaptation" and it's not that thing, you're on the hook for it if people grab it because they need that specific thing.
Re: Floor pills clause clarification
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:26 am
by Qbmax32
nianjiilical wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:56 am
my personal understanding was that if you make a floor pill/injector called like "omnizine" or "tk+hulk" and it's actually full of acid and hars, then you can be bwoinked for griefing if you're a non antag
but if you make like "super cool pill" or "donkey kong syringe" and someone takes it and they get fucked up then it's their own fault
if you're a non antag and you make bad syringes/pills intentionally disguised as good ones thats bad, if you're a non antag and make bad syringes/pills with silly names that dont actually try to delude/trick people into taking them and suffering, and they choose to take them of their own volition, thats fine
dunno if im in line with other admins though
this is how ive always interpreted it.
Re: Floor pills clause clarification
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:10 am
by BrianBackslide
ANYTHING you consume is going to carry a risk. That's part of the paranoia aspect of the game. Obviously, actively malicious/mislabled stuff should only be done by antags, but if I roll Magilitis on my Botany plants, you better believe I'm making "Gorilla pills" If you eat one and DIDN'T want to ooga, then you shouldn't have eaten the GORILLA pill.
Re: Floor pills clause clarification
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:57 pm
by Sylphet
Krokodil labelled as libital is bad.
Leaving a bottle labelled HEALING PILL that contains lizard mutation toxin in medbay is bad.
Romerol and deathviruses are bad.
If it's not labelled as medicine, not in a place where you would reasonably find medicine, and affects only you to take it, then anything bad that happens is completely a personal problem. If your floor pill labelled fun pill meets these three, but is literally just cyanide, as long as it's not a habit from a given player it's kinda whatever.
Re: Floor pills clause clarification
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:29 pm
by cacogen
If it's a bad pill the name shouldn't be misleading unless you're an antag
Re: Floor pills clause clarification
Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:48 am
by Vekter
Putting some space drugs on the floor and naming them "Happy Pills" is fine.
Putting Krokodil on the floor and naming it "Happy Pills" is also fine.
Putting Krokodil on the floor and naming them "Healing pills" is not fine.
Re: Floor pills clause clarification
Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:10 pm
by dragomagol
If you intentionally mislabel a harmful chemical, mutation or similar as something positive, and someone takes them thinking they are as described, then you will be held responsible for the outcome.
Borderline cases should be left to admin discretion.
Headmin Votes:
Dragomagol: Agree
NamelessFairy: Agree
RaveRadbury: Agree