/tg/Station 13

If I see more fucking random shoe knotting I'm removing it from the smite list.

GamerAndYeahMick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:50 am What makes you think its random

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:49 am You have a point but your way of going about arguing it is terrible.

Random smites are probably part of the "don't fuck with your friends" and also "don't fuck with people because they're not your friends" unwritten rules that the admin team try to abide by and so occasionally fail at.

But I think the raw reality is that it's the kind of soft admin abuse of powers that's casually accepted by most players and most other admins. That is as long as not done excessively and saved for only when a smite is truly funny.

Despite that, any admin who does random smites is also taking on the responsibility if things go wrong because of it and a player complains. That's actually a judgement call every admin makes every single time they make a choice to use any admin power.

I've done smites targetted at players for dumb reasons before. If I got a complaint from it, I'd just apologise and be more careful on who and when I used smites in the future. But I don't think it's worth expressly forbidding.

iamgoofball wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:53 am

GamerAndYeahMick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:50 am What makes you think its random

You don't get to hide behind this when there's absolutely nothing around the smites in question via logging that indicates they did something worth being randomly griefed by an admin.

Aeri wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:55 am I mean, I checked the logs for round Manuel: R176966 and found it was actually "AdipemDragon" and like, well, I don't know this admin like I do say, Cimka who is friend shaped. And it feels pretty weak to admin complaint somebody for one shoesmite. It leaves me in a bit of a tricky situation, like, I literally wasn't doing anything to warrant it? But also like "Fuck you can you not dude?"

I was the QM, leaving the cargo bay to discover a medical staff member being murdered by some monkies that he was, presumably, harvesting organs from. I said on the radio "There's a doctor getting mauled by monkies, funniest shit I've ever seen" on my way to the library to sacrifice a few tables to make a bat to dispatch then because now the monkies are everyone's problem.

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:07 am There are three ways to approach it:
1. Ask the admin in question politely if they wouldn't random smite you in the future via ahelps
2. Leave feedback on their feedback thread that they randomly smited you and you found it frustrating
3. Open up a complaint.

You're RIGHT that opening up a complaint about admins random smiting dumb shit like knot shoes is petty. It's sorta like using a sledgehammer to crack a peanut. But every time I use admin powers for the lulz, I run the risk that I do a derp, get a complaint and have to own up to it.

iamgoofball wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:11 am ...it's really hard to establish a pattern of poor behavior when it's a bunch of different admins randomly without looking like a crazy person.

Sylphet wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:17 am ...I haven't noticed this personally, but yeah smites shouldn't be done randomly. I use smites only for stupid prayers as a rule. It's how things should be, it feels shitty as a player to be on the receiving end of this.

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:07 am

Aeri wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:55 am I mean, I checked the logs for round Manuel: R176966 and found it was actually "AdipemDragon" and like, well, I don't know this admin like I do say, Cimka who is friend shaped. And it feels pretty weak to admin complaint somebody for one shoesmite. It leaves me in a bit of a tricky situation, like, I literally wasn't doing anything to warrant it? But also like "Fuck you can you not dude?"

I was the QM, leaving the cargo bay to discover a medical staff member being murdered by some monkies that he was, presumably, harvesting organs from. I said on the radio "There's a doctor getting mauled by monkies, funniest shit I've ever seen" on my way to the library to sacrifice a few tables to make a bat to dispatch then because now the monkies are everyone's problem.

There are three ways to approach it:
1. Ask the admin in question politely if they wouldn't random smite you in the future via ahelps
2. Leave feedback on their feedback thread that they randomly smited you and you found it frustrating
3. Open up a complaint.

You're RIGHT that opening up a complaint about admins random smiting dumb shit like knot shoes is petty. It's sorta like using a sledgehammer to crack a peanut. But every time I use admin powers for the lulz, I run the risk that I do a derp, get a complaint and have to own up to it.

Jackraxxus wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:57 am I personally don't mess with smiting people 4 teh lulz, not because I dislike it but because I'm way scared that I'll hit gib instead of tie laces and fuck someone's round over. The closest I get to it is spawning mousetraps on digi lizards or drop podding no-ERP posters onto people.
Before I was adminned I had a lot of fun being messed around with by admins, it broke up the occasional boring sec greenshift with some funny memes. One time an admin figured out how to tie my shoelaces while I was a barefoot digi lizard and that was hilarious. If an admin's messing with you and you don't like it just ask them to stop? Like genuinely Ahelp "Could you please stop messing with my round without prompting?" and if it was me I would apologise and fuck off in future.

I've had negative experiences with smiting only twice in my like 1500 (read: small amount) living hours. Once because I just genuinely didn't get the joke and was feeling guilty about shoving a contractor over and nicking their baton earlier in the round, this turned out to be a joke about running around as a malnourished deathly pale assistant and I had a good laugh about it in deadchat next round. The second time I was being a dickhead and genuinely deserved it.

This is something that could probably be put to a player poll maybe now that I think about it, to gauge how many people enjoy being messed with by admins versus how many people would enjoy being left alone. It'd be a better use of that system than the fucking felinid furry level vote.

In summary, and speaking as a player, I would prefer to be bwoinked by a bunch of fun-loving happy-go-lucky people who enjoy messing around both ways but sometimes go too far, than by a bunch of brick-wall emotionless banbots who get their kicks out of removing people from the server. I find a little playful memery to be endearing, god forbid OP hears what me and my mates do to eachother in person.

Drag wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:31 am Also, I like how the screenshots of my smites were when that person was stalking an antag as a non-security officer. Just thought Id point that out.

It took you an entire week to retroactively justify your random smiting?

mrmelbert wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:21 am +1ing Burgerman, a lot of smites which seem completely random are usually prompted for some reason or another.

iamgoofball wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:37 pm id like to note while im here that doing an event of "the shoe goblins are coming for your shoelaces!!!" and then sdqling everyone's shoes to tie is perfectly fine, funny, and is actually an event because you took the time to like, make up some lore as to why people's shoes are being tied

Domitius wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:03 pmno

Jackraxxus wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:57 am I personally don't mess with smiting people 4 teh lulz, not because I dislike it but because I'm way scared that I'll hit gib instead of tie laces and fuck someone's round over. The closest I get to it is spawning mousetraps on digi lizards or drop podding no-ERP posters onto people.
Before I was adminned I had a lot of fun being messed around with by admins, it broke up the occasional boring sec greenshift with some funny memes. One time an admin figured out how to tie my shoelaces while I was a barefoot digi lizard and that was hilarious. If an admin's messing with you and you don't like it just ask them to stop? Like genuinely Ahelp "Could you please stop messing with my round without prompting?" and if it was me I would apologise and fuck off in future.

I've had negative experiences with smiting only twice in my like 1500 (read: small amount) living hours. Once because I just genuinely didn't get the joke and was feeling guilty about shoving a contractor over and nicking their baton earlier in the round, this turned out to be a joke about running around as a malnourished deathly pale assistant and I had a good laugh about it in deadchat next round. The second time I was being a dickhead and genuinely deserved it.

This is something that could probably be put to a player poll maybe now that I think about it, to gauge how many people enjoy being messed with by admins versus how many people would enjoy being left alone. It'd be a better use of that system than the fucking felinid furry level vote.

In summary, and speaking as a player, I would prefer to be bwoinked by a bunch of fun-loving happy-go-lucky people who enjoy messing around both ways but sometimes go too far, than by a bunch of brick-wall emotionless banbots who get their kicks out of removing people from the server. I find a little playful memery to be endearing, god forbid OP hears what me and my mates do to eachother in person.

Admins who use admin buttons to mess with their friends or players at random are rolling the die when it comes to admin complaints and do so at their own risk. If new admins are picking up bad habits from watching tenured admins, those admins may be held accountable.