/tg/Station 13

bastardblaster wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:03 pm why wouldn't they just ghost from the start menu

hotharheyhey69 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:48 pm If someone was to round start as a crew member and die somehow in order role for ghost antagonist roles that's a clear case of antagonist rolling for two different reasons. However what if someone just wanted to hang around and observe the round without having to participate? Would a round start ghost be breaking a rule if they accept a ghost antag role?

Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:07 pm Even entering the round then immediately leaving it occasionally is fine.

Observing from the menu and rolling for an antag if it's offered is totally fine, and I'm going to take a moment to go on a rant

Back in MY DAY there would often be a few people who would just ghost and chill to watch instead of playing every round. They'd chat with people who died, admins observing or using dsay while doing low-impact stuff, etc.

Deadchat is so fucking quiet these days, it's depressing to me. It feels like people just check out when they're dead instead of having any interest in the way the round goes, the RP of other people, etc., even if there's no chance of their own revival.

MY BRITTLE OLD HIP HELP LIFE ALERT

• Regularly starting a round just to see if you are an antagonist (antag rolling) then exiting it (via any means) is not allowed. This also covers any attempts to maximize antagonist probability.

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:17 am Rule 1, Precedent 9:

• Regularly starting a round just to see if you are an antagonist (antag rolling) then exiting it (via any means) is not allowed. This also covers any attempts to maximize antagonist probability.

Starting as an observer and hoping for a ghost role is fine. You sacrifice your chance at any of the roundstart dynamic roles and many midrounds in exchange for antags that get polled from observers. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this and it's working as designed, and is not maximising your chances to get antag because of that sacrifice.

Joining, dying legitimately and taking a ghost role is fine. Ghost roles are not exclusively for roundstart observers.

The issue is where you join, don't get antag and appear to manufacture a scenario to die and then try and farm ghost roles after. Bonus points if you play the round normally when you do get antag and only die under mysterious circumstances when you're a non-antag.

Behaviour like that is indistinguishable from antag rolling and is thus treated as antag rolling.

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:17 am Rule 1, Precedent 9:

• Regularly starting a round just to see if you are an antagonist (antag rolling) then exiting it (via any means) is not allowed. This also covers any attempts to maximize antagonist probability.

Starting as an observer and hoping for a ghost role is fine. You sacrifice your chance at any of the roundstart ghost roles and many midrounds in exchange for antags that get polled from observers. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this and it's working as designed, and is not maximising your chances to get antag because of that sacrifice.

Joining, dying legitimately and taking a ghost role is fine. Ghost roles are not exclusively for roundstart observers.

The issue is where you join, don't get antag and appear to manufacture a scenario to die and then try and farm ghost roles after. Bonus points if you play the round normally when you do get antag and only die under mysterious circumstances when you're a non-antag.

Behaviour like that is indistinguishable from antag rolling and is thus treated as antag rolling.

terranaut wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 4:37 pm people thinking about this too deeply should take their meds or inhale enough n2o to be put back into 1980s eastern germany where they can fulfill their life's dream of being a neighborhood stasi v-man

Pandarsenic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:07 pm
Back in MY DAY there would often be a few people who would just ghost and chill to watch instead of playing every round. They'd chat with people who died, admins observing or using dsay while doing low-impact stuff, etc.

Deadchat is so fucking quiet these days, it's depressing to me. It feels like people just check out when they're dead instead of having any interest in the way the round goes, the RP of other people, etc., even if there's no chance of their own revival.

MY BRITTLE OLD HIP HELP LIFE ALERT

Timberpoes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:17 am Rule 1, Precedent 9:

• Regularly starting a round just to see if you are an antagonist (antag rolling) then exiting it (via any means) is not allowed. This also covers any attempts to maximize antagonist probability.

Starting as an observer and hoping for a ghost role is fine. You sacrifice your chance at any of the roundstart ghost roles and many midrounds in exchange for antags that get polled from observers. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this and it's working as designed, and is not maximising your chances to get antag because of that sacrifice.

Joining, dying legitimately and taking a ghost role is fine. Ghost roles are not exclusively for roundstart observers.

The issue is where you join, don't get antag and appear to manufacture a scenario to die and then try and farm ghost roles after. Bonus points if you play the round normally when you do get antag and only die under mysterious circumstances when you're a non-antag.

Behaviour like that is indistinguishable from antag rolling and is thus treated as antag rolling.