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I have seen an excessive amount of NRP shuttle votes where they ask people to say "Y or N" as an answer, and quite a lot of people mindlessly say "Y" or "N". It's just so frequent and the volume of infractions that occur is just too much to include in an ahelp. I think adding these to the word filter will make those events more manageable, as well as reminding people that they are failing the bare minimum of RP.

this would cause so many problems with things like stammering, mispelling things, accidental letters, this is just a stupid idea (because these arent netspeak, these are LETTERS of the ALPHABET)

"Add actual letters of the alphabet to the filter"

....No.

"Y" typed alone should turn into "Why" because it'd be funny.

To be fair, shuttle votes as a concept are NRP 9 times out of 10 regardless of what you have to say to vote. Anyways, adding individual letters to the filter is dumb.

filter is regex, so we could filter out all single letter messages except 'i'. add it as a soft (are you sure you want to do this) filter as well.

MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:51 am filter is regex, so we could filter out all single letter messages except 'i'. add it as a soft (are you sure you want to do this) filter as well.

MSO confirmed doesnt know that A counts as a word and is used in almost every single sentence

If it's not excessively taxing it might be kind of nice, but "O" would probably want to get a pass, L and W are questionable, fit to a T, a real G, watching some H online, pressing F to pay respects, etc.

The more I think about it the more single letter filtering seems more trouble than it's worth, before we even get into people accidentally putting a space in the wrong place.

People can say Y and N in real life. In real radio communication, it's actually pretty realistic for common phrases to be shortened like that. I think it's fine.

Who cares?

I think that standard would be far too high to the levels of High RP.

BlueMemesauce wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:20 pm People can say Y and N in real life. In real radio communication, it's actually pretty realistic for common phrases to be shortened like that. I think it's fine.

In radio communication, people *lengthen* single letters (phonetic alphabet). They sure as heck don't shorten words to letters.

Farquaar wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:04 am

BlueMemesauce wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:20 pm People can say Y and N in real life. In real radio communication, it's actually pretty realistic for common phrases to be shortened like that. I think it's fine.

In radio communication, people *lengthen* single letters (phonetic alphabet). They sure as heck don't shorten words to letters.

Phonetic letters were just created because radio can have interference and other issues where a short message can get lost. The radios developed 500 years in the future no longer have those issues, and it is likely that there would no longer be a reason for the phonetic alphabet.

I was thinking of the word "Received" which was shortened down to just "R", which on the telegram was just a single letter made up of a couple dots and a dash in morse code. It is true that when radios with voice came into use they had some disadvantages so the phonetic alphabet was created to pronouce R as "Roger".

After about 50 years of development, radios have already improved alot. It's common to hear people just say "Rog" instead of Roger. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume after all those improvements to the radio that people 500 years in the future won't use the phonetic alphabet anymore as there no longer is a need to. We can see in game that there's no interference and an infinite amount of messages can be heard at the same time, which negates the two main reasons the phonetic alphabet was created in the first place.

This is dumb and means you can never spell out words again.

CPTANT wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:27 pm This is dumb and means you can never spell out words again.

The soft filter gives a confirmation box. It just discourages people from devolving too low into NRP.

MrStonedOne wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:51 am filter is regex, so we could filter out all single letter messages except 'i'. add it as a soft (are you sure you want to do this) filter as well.

You would think but the config is ecaped before turned into regex so you cant' actually insert regex into it

Given that there are a multitude of legitimate usages for single letter responses in normal conversation, we're hesitant to start adding things to the word filter before seeing if ruling fully on their status as OOC in IC / netspeak has an effect - so for the moment we'll be declining to add Y and N to the word filter, but will be ruling that single letter responses (as shortenings for words) to questions constitute netspeak, and encouraging admins to ask players to use their words a bit more (ye and no are both single extra letters on Y and N, it ain't hard)

Spook - Agree with above
Rave - Agree with above
San - Agree with above