Conversion antag executions and rule 12

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Conversion antag executions and rule 12

Post by blackdav123 » #661036

Currently it is very unclear whether or not killing conversion antagonists in situations where there is no danger present and deconversion is readily available is actionable.

While I do not think killing conversion antagonists should be against the rules entirely, in situations where it is completely safe and hardly an inconvenience I believe it should be a breach of rule 12.

I saw a scenario where this happened the other day and after asking an admin this question today I was met with an answer saying "Its a dick move, but policy isnt there yet on LRP".

Would this scenario fall under rule 12?
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Re: Conversion antag executions and rule 12

Post by serxule » #661046

it should absolutely be against the rules, while it may not break rule 12 directly (although it definitely falls under that because there's no other reason to kill detained converts), it breaks rule 1 very hard, because you're round removing someone essentially for 0 reason, along with the fact of people using conversion antag status as a way to threaten people (eg: threatening a detained conversion antag to expose their friends or be RR'd)
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Re: Conversion antag executions and rule 12

Post by Not-Dorsidarf » #661047

Killing conversion antags in a controlled non-emergency situation and when you have the deconversion to hand is sabotaging your own team, regardless of where you feel it falls on the "Players can kill antags".

Exceptions being if you've got good reason to think someone will be a detriment to your team / they killed a bunch of people and you have a good reason to want them dead and such
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Re: Conversion antag executions and rule 12

Post by Itseasytosee2me » #661057

This is explicitly covered as allowed under rule 4, at least on LRP. Alteration to that rule would be required to make this actionable.
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Re: Conversion antag executions and rule 12

Post by blackdav123 » #661060

Itseasytosee2me wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:51 am This is explicitly covered as allowed under rule 4, at least on LRP. Alteration to that rule would be required to make this actionable.
this thread is about security executing people not the other way around
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Re: Conversion antag executions and rule 12

Post by Itseasytosee2me » #661064

blackdav123 wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:59 am
Itseasytosee2me wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:51 am This is explicitly covered as allowed under rule 4, at least on LRP. Alteration to that rule would be required to make this actionable.
this thread is about security executing people not the other way around
I'm aware
Rule 4 wrote: Team antagonists can do whatever they want as per lone antagonists, as long as it doesn’t harm their team. Non-antagonists can do whatever they want to antagonists as per lone antagonists, but non-antagonists are not allowed to pre-emptively search for, hinder or otherwise seek conflict with antagonists without reasonable prior cause. Non-antags acting like an antag can be treated as an antag.
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Re: Conversion antag executions and rule 12

Post by blackdav123 » #661067

Itseasytosee2me wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:01 am
blackdav123 wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:59 am
Itseasytosee2me wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 3:51 am This is explicitly covered as allowed under rule 4, at least on LRP. Alteration to that rule would be required to make this actionable.
this thread is about security executing people not the other way around
I'm aware
Rule 4 wrote: Team antagonists can do whatever they want as per lone antagonists, as long as it doesn’t harm their team. Non-antagonists can do whatever they want to antagonists as per lone antagonists, but non-antagonists are not allowed to pre-emptively search for, hinder or otherwise seek conflict with antagonists without reasonable prior cause. Non-antags acting like an antag can be treated as an antag.
fair, didnt think of that. I'll edit the thread
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