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Rule 4 wrote:Except metagaming/comms, bug/exploit abuse, erotic/creepy stuff, OOC in IC or IC in OOC, and spawn-camping arrivals. Team antagonists can do whatever they want as per lone antagonists, as long as it doesn’t harm their team. Non-antagonists can do whatever they want to antagonists as per lone antagonists, but non-antagonists are not allowed to pre-emptively search for, hinder or otherwise seek conflict with antagonists without reasonable prior cause. Non-antags acting like an antag can be treated as an antag.

zxaber wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:24 am

Rule 4 wrote:Except metagaming/comms, bug/exploit abuse, erotic/creepy stuff, OOC in IC or IC in OOC, and spawn-camping arrivals. Team antagonists can do whatever they want as per lone antagonists, as long as it doesn’t harm their team. Non-antagonists can do whatever they want to antagonists as per lone antagonists, but non-antagonists are not allowed to pre-emptively search for, hinder or otherwise seek conflict with antagonists without reasonable prior cause. Non-antags acting like an antag can be treated as an antag.

Applies to all servers, not just MRP.

DaydreamIQ wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:31 am

zxaber wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:24 am

Rule 4 wrote:Except metagaming/comms, bug/exploit abuse, erotic/creepy stuff, OOC in IC or IC in OOC, and spawn-camping arrivals. Team antagonists can do whatever they want as per lone antagonists, as long as it doesn’t harm their team. Non-antagonists can do whatever they want to antagonists as per lone antagonists, but non-antagonists are not allowed to pre-emptively search for, hinder or otherwise seek conflict with antagonists without reasonable prior cause. Non-antags acting like an antag can be treated as an antag.

Applies to all servers, not just MRP.

In this situation I'm referring to say security has their hands on a traitor. But don't have reasonable proof to either confirm they're a tot, or do a bag search. Find contraband and without any evidence of there being an implant going "Alright implant check them".

If you're going to implant check you should have a justifiable reason to suspect they are a traitor. Break ins, stealing someone's ID, stealing a laser, are actions which are not tied down specifically to traitors and aren't sever enough to justisfy an implant check.
Murder, multiple instances where someone is brought in for theft of weaponry, or being in possession of syndicate equipment are sufficient for an implant check.

Headmin Votes:
Coconutwarrior97: Yes.
Domitius: Yes.
Naloac: Yes.

Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:47 am

DaydreamIQ wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:31 am

zxaber wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:24 am

Rule 4 wrote:Except metagaming/comms, bug/exploit abuse, erotic/creepy stuff, OOC in IC or IC in OOC, and spawn-camping arrivals. Team antagonists can do whatever they want as per lone antagonists, as long as it doesn’t harm their team. Non-antagonists can do whatever they want to antagonists as per lone antagonists, but non-antagonists are not allowed to pre-emptively search for, hinder or otherwise seek conflict with antagonists without reasonable prior cause. Non-antags acting like an antag can be treated as an antag.

Applies to all servers, not just MRP.

In this situation I'm referring to say security has their hands on a traitor. But don't have reasonable proof to either confirm they're a tot, or do a bag search. Find contraband and without any evidence of there being an implant going "Alright implant check them".

If they don't have some way to prove that someone is an antag or someone eye witness reported it (etc.) why would they search for implants? Someone doesn't exactly have to use the implant to get searched and have people know implants could exist, but searching for them just because you can as a way to check off the 'is this dude valid' checkboxes is definitely something thats been discussed before.

Doesn't matter if the person has an implant or not going on a stretch like that is dangerous and people have eaten the dirt for doing this sort of thing in the past. Killing someone inappropriately without knowing they were an antag doesn't automatically make it okay just because they were one.

It immediately makes me thing of threads like this one about checking dorms for antags: viewtopic.php?p=587054#p587054

I know it isn't 100% the same situation, but the same spirit of the game applies.

Moving onto something that is on topic however...

Here is the previous thread that discussed this exact topic for Manuel: viewtopic.php?f=85&t=27774&p=580690&hil ... ck#p580690

If you're going to implant check you should have a justifiable reason to suspect they are a traitor. Break ins, stealing someone's ID, stealing a laser, are actions which are not tied down specifically to traitors and aren't sever enough to justisfy an implant check.
Murder, multiple instances where someone is brought in for theft of weaponry, or being in possession of syndicate equipment are sufficient for an implant check.

Headmin Votes:
Coconutwarrior97: Yes.
Domitius: Yes.
Naloac: Yes.

It is very much against the rules, feel free to ahelp it whenever you see it so this behavior can be weeded out.